1. surur's Avatar
    So we have all read the reviews, and while the iPhone appears slick, it appears to lack many basic software features.

    These features are found in most $0 phones, like MMS and Video recording, and it lacks obvious features like A2DP found in most modern smartphones.

    The fanboys insist these will be added soon after release, but the question then arises why release a device lacking basic functionality? Did Apple miss its own deadlines and is still rushing out an unfinished product?

    Surur
    06-27-2007 03:40 PM
  2. archie's Avatar
    So we have all read the reviews, and while the iPhone appears slick, it appears to lack many basic software features.

    These features are found in most $0 phones, like MMS and Video recording, and it lacks obvious features like A2DP found in most modern smartphones.

    The fanboys insist these will be added soon after release, but the question then arises why release a device lacking basic functionality? Did Apple miss its own deadlines and is still rushing out an unfinished product?

    Surur
    Why don't you buy one, try it out, THEN ask that same question. It will not appear unfinished.

    For the record, I do consider myself a fanboy and I am assuming you see it that way too, but I haven't insisted on waiting for anything.
    06-27-2007 04:00 PM
  3. archie's Avatar
    My comment above was of course hypothetical. I know full well you would have a very difficult time in dealing with the purchase of an Apple iPhone; especially with the dog & pony show you have been pulling here at TreoCentral for the last 6 months.

    How you can commit so much of your time to being so negative? Your posts on the iPhone alone are in the thousands - and they are all negative hype. Can you verbalize your intentions here or are we just to assume the obvious.
    06-27-2007 04:05 PM
  4. shadowboxer's Avatar
    Um,
    excuse me for asking, but,

    do either of you two have a job?

    I mean, I sneak a minute or two here, to check the forums, occasionally say something, but GEEEZ

    06-27-2007 04:06 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    , but I haven't insisted on waiting for anything.
    I did not say waiting. I said patched after release. Obviously people are expected to put up with limited features now in hope of future fulfillment.

    Why would Apple do it this way? Why release on June 29th? It seems they gave themselves a deadline they could not meet, despite pulling people of the Leopard team.

    Surur
    06-27-2007 04:07 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    Um,
    excuse me for asking, but,

    do either of you two have a job?

    I mean, I sneak a minute or two here, to check the forums, occasionally say something, but GEEEZ

    Its 9 pm in UK at present. I think Archie is already doing his job.

    Surur
    06-27-2007 04:09 PM
  7. skfny's Avatar
    Every product on the market is an unfinished product. POS doesn't have voice dialing in the box. WM devices come with a browser that doesn't have a find on page feature. Some people might not care about these features specifically, but every product is missing some features that make people wonder what the designers were thinking.
    06-27-2007 04:10 PM
  8. Dunc's Avatar
    Even if Apple releases a half baked iPhone it'll still blow away the current Palm (is that their name today?) offerings. If anyone is release half baked crap it's Palm - what do we pay for a new color, couple more Mbs and the removal of an antenna? Whose are the real suckers here?

    Dunc
    06-27-2007 04:11 PM
  9. surur's Avatar
    Every product on the market is an unfinished product. POS doesn't have voice dialing in the box. WM devices come with a browser that doesn't have a find on page feature. Some people might not care about these features specifically, but every product is missing some features that make people wonder what the designers were thinking.
    True, but its the lack of basic features which suggests its a rush job.

    Surur
    06-27-2007 04:12 PM
  10. shadowboxer's Avatar
    Its 9 pm in UK at present. I think Archie is already doing his job.

    Surur
    06-27-2007 04:12 PM
  11. sxtg's Avatar
    Even if Apple releases a half baked iPhone it'll still blow away the current Palm (is that their name today?) offerings. If anyone is release half baked crap it's Palm - what do we pay for a new color, couple more Mbs and the removal of an antenna? Whose are the real suckers here?

    Dunc
    What does it do thats so far advanced compared to the Treo? Serious question.
    06-27-2007 04:17 PM
  12. archie's Avatar
    Um,
    excuse me for asking, but,

    do either of you two have a job?

    I mean, I sneak a minute or two here, to check the forums, occasionally say something, but GEEEZ

    My total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: 375

    surur total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: over 2,250
    06-27-2007 04:24 PM
  13. shadowboxer's Avatar
    How many posts it feels like I read from you two? MILLIONS!!

    06-27-2007 04:35 PM
  14. ktm97's Avatar
    If they put everything on it, then they would have no reason to come out with a new shiny model every 6mos to keep the shareholders happy, not us. When I bought my Treo 600 it was suppose to have wifi, I'm still waiting.
    06-27-2007 04:38 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    My total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: 375

    surur total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: over 2,250
    Total correct predictions by Archie: 1
    Total incorrects/false posts: 100s
    06-27-2007 04:41 PM
  16. archie's Avatar
    Oh brother.

    Just for humor sake. I'm curious what the ONE is that made it onto your list.
    06-27-2007 04:56 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    Anyway, back on topic, does anyone feel the iPhone has been shipped before its fully ready?

    Surur
    06-27-2007 04:58 PM
  18. beachtrader's Avatar
    True, but its the lack of basic features which suggests its a rush job.

    Surur
    The iPhone doesn't lack basic features, just the ones you deem important. For everyone else they seem fine with it.
    06-27-2007 05:03 PM
  19. beachtrader's Avatar
    Anyway, back on topic, does anyone feel the iPhone has been shipped before its fully ready?

    Surur
    No. If you look at what Jobs says (cut through the marketing hype), the iPhone is a stepped up version of a normal phone which incorporates an iPod. There have been no promises of a end all product. Jobs created the iPhone as a high end phone with new features that a normal phone doesn't have.

    You could say the same of a Treo which lacks Wi-Fi and the Windows Treo which lacks threaded messaging (yeah there is a hack but it didn't ship with this). These features are basic to some people, extra non-needed features to others. I've never known one product to fit the needs of every person, and every person has different basic needs.
    06-27-2007 05:07 PM
  20. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Anyway, back on topic, does anyone feel the iPhone has been shipped before its fully ready?

    Surur
    Well, we live in a world where beta products are released and people pay premium prices.

    Palm is guilty of this as much as anyone else.

    I think the iPhone is being shipped to make the assertion of shipping in Q2. Steve drew the line in Jan, and come hell or high water, he will make the date.

    I'm sure there will be all sorts of issues to be fixed, but they will still ship.

    Would they like a few more months to tighten it up? Sure. But Steve said Q2.

    I really don't fault Apple for any glitches or bug...they comes with the territory.

    What unforgivable are the design issues:

    - No 3G
    - No replaceable battery
    - No A2DP
    - No cut and paste
    - No 3rd party apps (open dev platform)
    - Locked to carrier

    Visual voicemail - whoo dee doo. Not enough to make me switch whole hog to ATT
    06-27-2007 05:08 PM
  21. surur's Avatar
    The iPhone doesn't lack basic features, just the ones you deem important. For everyone else they seem fine with it.
    You dont consider video recording from the camera and MMS basic? The video recording especially is a very very standard feature. I'm sure many people wont miss it, but I believe the majority will.

    Surur
    06-27-2007 05:21 PM
  22. bruckwine's Avatar
    My total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: 375

    surur total number of posts since the introduction of iPhone: over 2,250
    you BOTH really don't have a day job! You actually went and COUNTED?!
    06-27-2007 05:31 PM
  23. bruckwine's Avatar
    P.S. i feel t's unfinished..they forgot the other buttons lol (but then that might actually be by design)!

    Btw I read an article (gizmodo or engadget) that said Apple Engineers actually wanted about 2 or 3 more buttons..but Jobs wasn't budging!
    06-27-2007 05:40 PM
  24. Malatesta's Avatar
    Yeah, of course it's unfinished and I'm sure a lot of those "holes" in operability will be filled (MMS, IM, Flash, etc.) with updates eventually.

    In fairness, WM5 AKU 1.x was also pretty unfinsihed with no Push email, lots of bugs and even more sluggish than now. We all got an IOU from MS for AKU 2.x which luckily just about everyone got 4 months after release.

    The difference in all of this is of course Apple's stance: they proclaimed they "reinvented the phone", put down all other smartphones and made grandiose claims about the "full internet in your pocket" yadda yadda.

    So with all the free hype and publicity they received, when the device lacks some features like search your contacts and voice dial, the backlash is twice as strong. That's just the game, so I really don't feel bad for the people defending Apple. (Not like the majority won't be happy anyways)

    Had MS, Moto, HTC, or Palm made such claims the response would be the same if the failed to account for some of the basics.
    06-27-2007 05:55 PM
  25. rsnadel's Avatar
    You dont consider video recording from the camera and MMS basic? The video recording especially is a very very standard feature. I'm sure many people wont miss it, but I believe the majority will.

    Surur
    If your premise is that it is being rushed to release before promised features are bug-free, then video recording capability is irrelevant to your argument.

    At some point, manufacturing takes over from design based on marketing decisions. The marketing decision is determined based on factors substantially beyond the consumer-based kinds of things that keep showing up on this board...with eyes more focused on Wall Street and the investment community than on Treocentral.com.
    06-27-2007 05:57 PM
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