1. RICHINMJ's Avatar
    Whats r2d2 (A2DP)support?
    06-26-2007 10:30 PM
  2. Malatesta's Avatar
    Whats r2d2 (A2DP)support?
    Well, in fairness that's one reason why they probably don't support it as it's a nerdy/niche technology now, though a very convenient one.

    It's streaming of audio to stereo BT headphones e.g. wireless music.

    Imagine wireless headphones on your iPhone and you can take and make calls that way too. It'll pause the music, take the call, hang up all through your headphones. That's what you won't be doing, lol.
    06-26-2007 10:32 PM
  3. RICHINMJ's Avatar
    thanks for the response.
    06-26-2007 11:14 PM
  4. dutchtrumpet's Avatar
    Dont forget no SIM Card
    No External Apps
    No Expansion slot
    there is a sim card slot. it's even in the pictures.
    06-26-2007 11:17 PM
  5. Antoine of MMM#IM's Avatar
    I posted this at BH, but it kinda fits here too.

    Walt's review was interesting (just read it). Some quotes and responses:

    Battery life: Like the iPod, but unlike most cellphones, the iPhone lacks a removable battery. So you can’t carry a spare. But its battery life is excellent. In our tests, it got seven hours and 18 minutes of continuous talk time, while the Wi-Fi was on and email was constantly being fetched in the background. That’s close to Apple’s claim of a maximum of eight hours, and far exceeds the talk time claims of other smart phones, which usually top out at five and a half hours.

    For continuous music playback, again with Wi-Fi on and email being fetched, we got over 22 hours, shy of Apple’s claim of up to 24 hours, but still huge. For video playback, under the same conditions, we got just under Apple’s claim of seven hours, enough to watch four average movies. And, for Web browsing and other Internet functions, including sending and receiving emails, viewing Google maps and YouTube videos, we got over nine hours, well above Apple’s claim of up to six hours.
    And here I thought the E61i was impressive. This is sick, and very well done by Apple.

    A downside — there’s no easy way to transfer phone numbers, via AT&T, directly from an existing phone. The iPhone is meant to sync with an address book (and calendar) on a PC.
    Whoops, that will be an issue for some users. Especially those that will forget to sync, lest iTunes does this for them (oh yea iTunes is the iPhone's 'PIM' agent for the desktop).

    In general, we found this interface, called “multi-touch,” to be effective, practical and fun. But there’s no overall search on the iPhone (except Web searching), and no quick way to move to the top or bottom of pages (except in the Web browser). The only aid is an alphabetical scale on the right in tiny type.

    There’s also no way to cut, copy, or paste text.

    And the lack of dedicated hardware buttons for functions like phone, email and contacts means extra taps are needed to start using features. Also, if you are playing music while doing something else, the lack of hardware playback buttons forces you to return to the iPod program to stop the music or change a song.
    Another whoops. I am pretty sure this will be 'fixed' for the next version, and tweaked some for this one at some point.

    Overall not a bad first attempt. One can see what a few extra $$$ spent in R&D will do though. Not knocking Palm and other smaller companies, but Apple swung for the fences on this one. Tis a shame that other companies hadn't pushed this hard before (Nokia has been threatening, I wonder if they will swing harder now).

    Side note: Sony Ericsson has just announced for Q4 this year the W960. Dang near the same hardware as the iPhone, but looks like a phone (number pad, touch sensitive controls). I'd love to compare the two of them, because I think that is the best one yet of being the iPhone's competitor.

    In the meantime, the rest of this year should be really interesting with leaks and announcements, don't you think What I pretty much am sure of, anything that will truely be innovative (gamechanging) won't leak till later this year and come out next year. Even iMate's Ultimate series needs to have done something in the 'pretty gooy (gui)' dept to garner some fuzz outside of techie circles.

    Congrats Apple on changing the game (maybe now we all can get some real innovation and not just spec updates).
    06-26-2007 11:38 PM
  6. dutchtrumpet's Avatar

    Congrats Apple on changing the game (maybe now we all can get some real innovation and not just spec updates).

    what spec updates. the 600, 650, 680, 700p and 755p have the same OS

    processor and nvfs and screen res bumped at the 650 (bt too). EVDO added with 700. Other than that. Palm, you used to really excite me. Now you just lay there.
    06-26-2007 11:47 PM
  7. Antoine of MMM#IM's Avatar
    I don't just mean Palm, I mean the entire industry. Honestly, I like the fresh air and the fact that developers are getting to actually play some. Carriers are still the bottle neck, but at least devices that are innovative can come, not this crap we've been fed for years.

    And for the record, I'd only like to see Palm do a non-QWERTY Treo if they could keep it as usable as the current Treo (improve it please), and kill the thickness of the device. Even with Garnet and GX5 playing the role of beauty parlor, they could have something that at least gets more than a 'oh they're still here' kinda glance.

    Nokia better come with the N(better). THe N95 is better except in that key battery life item. They can do better. Now they have a cause to.
    06-27-2007 12:08 AM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    what spec updates. the 600, 650, 680, 700p and 755p have the same OS.
    and the same silly form factor!! oh forgive me, on some they removed the , curved in the and sacrificed the
    06-27-2007 12:09 AM
  9. Godstyle#WP's Avatar
    No A2DP? WTF? And how is it feasible that an iPod(Phone) doesn't support mp3 ringtones? Not to mention the fact that there's no way to cut, copy, or paste text?
    06-27-2007 01:10 AM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    No cut and paste....What were yee effing thinking?

    My favorite is the battery that last 300 charges...then send in to be replaced for a fee.

    What a bargain...
    06-27-2007 10:26 AM
  11. bruckwine's Avatar

    Congrats Apple on changing the game (maybe now we all can get some real innovation and not just spec updates).
    I dunno if they changed the game but they certainly ACCELERATED it! The phone lacks a lot but it also brings alot (but not for the price)..I too hope this forces companies like Palm who we know can be innovative to improve. I think though that Sony and Nokia will be the best bets. you can bet your bottom dollar Sony still has the demise of the walkman fresh in its mind!

    Btw iLove this image :
    06-27-2007 10:31 AM
  12. Antoine of MMM#IM's Avatar
    I think though that Sony and Nokia will be the best bets. you can bet your bottom dollar Sony still has the demise of the walkman fresh in its mind!
    Sony Ericssion has the W960i, which is their iPhone answer coming in Q4. That will have a slew of what the iPhone doesn't. Hopefully, they fixed UIQ's UI so that it's better than just a S60 copy.

    Nokia will have something, problably along the lines of the N93i that came out earlier this year. However Nokia's issue isn't devices, its advertising. Being with Dell will help, but they really need more noise (hence people like myself reviewing as many solid models as I can )
    06-27-2007 10:39 AM
  13. nyc_rock's Avatar
    I can not believe apple would release this product with no blut tooth dialing and no A2DP support. I guess Palm isnt the only company out there with their head up their arse.
    06-27-2007 10:43 AM
  14. LiveFaith's Avatar
    What's the battery tech on this thing? So few cycles, but so much life. It's not your run of the mill cell. If my 680 got double the life, I would be willing to pay the price. Is it nuclear or something?
    06-27-2007 10:45 AM
  15. marcol's Avatar
    Hopefully, they fixed UIQ's UI so that it's better than just a S60 copy.
    UIQ is heavily stylus dependent and there are no S60 touch screen devices at all. You lost me there. OTOH, I believe the next UIQ version is designed to address the stylus requirement problem. Looking forward to that.
    06-27-2007 10:46 AM
  16. bruckwine's Avatar
    Sony Ericssion has the W960i, which is their iPhone answer coming in Q4. That will have a slew of what the iPhone doesn't. Hopefully, they fixed UIQ's UI so that it's better than just a S60 copy.

    Nokia will have something, problably along the lines of the N93i that came out earlier this year. However Nokia's issue isn't devices, its advertising. Being with Dell will help, but they really need more noise (hence people like myself reviewing as many solid models as I can )
    Def. if it's one thing Apple brought to the game that maybe only Sony does well is advertising. Unless ppl KNOW a competitor's phone (or PMP as a good past example) is better then you can't outsell them.
    06-27-2007 10:49 AM
  17. bruckwine's Avatar
    What's the battery tech on this thing? So few cycles, but so much life. It's not your run of the mill cell. If my 680 got double the life, I would be willing to pay the price. Is it nuclear or something?
    Well if you take the rumour of 300 cycles to heeart it still means charging once every 24 hrs ( a talk time of 5.5 - 7.5 hrs depending on which apple-inspired review you read) . So unless you don't use the phone or wifi and just use the ipod ( supposedly 20 hrs using the iPod only) you will need to fix that battery in a year or so give or take (a cycle each day for 365 days??) ...that said some ppl claim their iPods last 2-3 yrs (mine did only last 1 yr before a replacement battery, now it's jsut dead)
    06-27-2007 10:53 AM
  18. Antoine of MMM#IM's Avatar
    UIQ is heavily stylus dependent and there are no S60 touch screen devices at all. You lost me there. OTOH, I believe the next UIQ version is designed to address the stylus requirement problem. Looking forward to that.
    See the W950i review at Mobile Review; its optimized for stylus input. Its getting there, but yes, needs a step up. THe next version of UIQ should address some parts of that.

    Nokia has been playing with going touchsreen, yet nothing is coming yet to my knowledge.

    What's the battery tech on this thing? So few cycles, but so much life. It's not your run of the mill cell. If my 680 got double the life, I would be willing to pay the price. Is it nuclear or something?
    The Treo 680 gives you 1000 cycles, the iPhone 300-400. While I like the battery life of the iPhone, 300 cycles on a hard driven device means every day, means in 1 year I'll need a replacement -- I'll pass (for now).

    Addition: I do have to wonder, if Apple could do this, and Nokia nearly similar with the N800, what the heck are everyone else doing. I think people would be glad to take the shorter battery longevity for a longer time between charges if it were done more often. But as things stand, we get nada for longer. Ah well.

    I can not believe apple would release this product with no blut tooth dialing and no A2DP support. I guess Palm isnt the only company out there with their head up their arse.
    But can't you just see Apple release BT headphone accessory with a software update for the iPhone (OTA of course). I doubt they want ot push wireless on folks all in one bunch (all data in one place, no wires to music - its a paradigm shift to do so). Nevertheless, Apple does know what they missed, and I am sure iPhone 2 will address some things and iPhone 3 will address some more (my guess is the former is nearly done and the latter is in the crux of its major development now).
    06-27-2007 10:55 AM
  19. nyc_rock's Avatar
    See the W950i review at Mobile Review; its optimized for stylus input. Its getting there, but yes, needs a step up. THe next version of UIQ should address some parts of that.

    Nokia has been playing with going touchsreen, yet nothing is coming yet to my knowledge.



    The Treo 680 gives you 1000 cycles, the iPhone 300-400. While I like the battery life of the iPhone, 300 cycles on a hard driven device means every day, means in 1 year I'll need a replacement -- I'll pass (for now).

    Addition: I do have to wonder, if Apple could do this, and Nokia nearly similar with the N800, what the heck are everyone else doing. I think people would be glad to take the shorter battery longevity for a longer time between charges if it were done more often. But as things stand, we get nada for longer. Ah well.



    But can't you just see Apple release BT headphone accessory with a software update for the iPhone (OTA of course). I doubt they want ot push wireless on folks all in one bunch (all data in one place, no wires to music - its a paradigm shift to do so). Nevertheless, Apple does know what they missed, and I am sure iPhone 2 will address some things and iPhone 3 will address some more (my guess is the former is nearly done and the latter is in the crux of its major development now).
    I just think for a 500-600 device, it should be loaded. No 3g is bad enough, but to ommit voice dialing over BT and A2dp support is just horrific. I guess people who dont know any better will line up for it, but seriosly, those are awful ommisons.
    06-27-2007 11:23 AM
  20. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I dunno if they changed the game but they certainly ACCELERATED it! The phone lacks a lot but it also brings alot (but not for the price)..I too hope this forces companies like Palm who we know can be innovative to improve. I think though that Sony and Nokia will be the best bets. you can bet your bottom dollar Sony still has the demise of the walkman fresh in its mind!

    Btw iLove this image :
    That image is great! LOL.
    06-27-2007 12:22 PM
  21. bruckwine's Avatar
    Everything we/they know (Gizmodo review) b4 Friday:

    Everything We Know About the iPhone



    Following up our list of features the iPhone was finally confirmed not to have, here's a comprehensive list based on the four reviews currently out detailing everything we know about the iPhone so far: what it has, what it doesn't have, its known problems and what we still don't know.

    What it has:
    • Built-in iPod with Video playback
    • Intelligent predictive typing
    • Multi-touch interface (fast)
    • Great scratch resistant screen (easily cleaned with your sleeve)
    • Tilt sensors that lock the screen when up to your face, but unlocks it when you lower it to type numbers
    • Screen that's visible in direct sunlight
    • Software upgrades over time
    • Decent voice quality
    • Call and song control from its headphones
    • Viewing Word, Excel and PDF documents
    • Free live traffic in Google Maps
    • Turn by turn directions that simulate a GPS (need to tell the phone when you're turning)
    • Dedicated volume control and mute switch
    • Microsoft Exchange support if your IT staff enables a setting on the server
    • Push email via Yahoo Mail
    • Syncing via Outlook calendar and contacts through iTunes (works even on Vista with the latest Outlook)
    • Ability to play with other applications while you talk
    • Good battery life
    • A "real" browser
    • Yahoo, Gmail, AOL, EarthLink, and various other email support
    • Visual voicemail (support for rewinding, fast forwarding like a song)
    • YouTube support
    • Decent 2-megapixel camera
    • It's thin
    • Lots of eye candy
    • Conference call with up to 5 people
    • Built-in speakers if you don't want to use headphones
    • Quicktime support in Safari
    • Activating the phone requires iTunes and internet access
    • A speakerphone


    What it doesn't have:
    • Support for all iPod accessories—doesn't support all car adapters for playing back, only charging
    • An easy way to transfer phone numbers, via AT&T, from an existing phone
    • Copy and paste support
    • MP3/iTunes music ringtones
    • Built-in game support
    • Flash support anywhere (including browser)
    • Instant Messaging
    • Picture messaging (MMS)
    • Video recording
    • Voice recognition or voice dialing
    • Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP support)
    • One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
    • 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
    • A hardware keyboard
    • GPS
    • Removable battery
    • Expandable Storage
    • Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)
    • BlackBerry support
    • Flash or zoom on the camera
    • Windows Media support


    Known Problems:
    • Can get a little warm after use
    • Battery will need to be replaced by Apple after 300-400 charges
    • Levy had problems with one of his email accounts, due to his ISP blocking port 25. Apple's engineers "suggested a fix and said that this was something that would probably be addressed in an update."
    • EDGE data is very slow
    • AT&T's signal is lousy
    • No hardware playback buttons make you go back to the iPod app to change songs or stop music
    • Takes more taps to reach the phone interface than other smartphones
    • Getting your contacts onto here from your old phone may be a hassle
    • No real-time navigation
    • The few web-app programs Mossberg tried weren't' impressive
    • Camera is only good with ample light and no motion
    • Only 200 text messages included on any calling plan
    • Playing back music through an iPod dock may cause interference, so the iPhone "offered to switch to airplane mode". Doing so means you get no calls.


    What we still don't know:
    • How fingerprinty/face greasy it gets
    • Whether Bluetooth file transfer works
    • When and how often software updates (with new features) will appear
    06-27-2007 02:42 PM
  22. sxtg's Avatar
    It's an Ipod that has a phone (no matter what you say- That's all it is) in contrast to a phone that plays Mp3s.
    Maybe its me, but it just doesn't scream "innovation".
    06-27-2007 02:52 PM
  23. ksom's Avatar
    Walt Mossberg's review - the good bits removed to save you reading time. :evil:


    http://solution.allthingsd.com/?p=12...tion=printable

    Surur
    Looks like most of the small anony problems are related to the lack of hardware keys. But this can be fixed by add a simple gasture or a single key to pull up the virtual keyboard. It should allow the keyboard to show up in any application at anytime in any mode. That way one press you can start looking for contract by pressing letters.
    06-27-2007 02:58 PM
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