1. AirData's Avatar
    06-26-2007 09:41 AM
  2. bruckwine's Avatar
    Ka-ching! This part would peeve me off..are they saying w/o AT&T you cannot use the iPod feature?! So muc for unlocked iPhones (software lock it seems, or tied in to the SIM)

    "Minimum new 2-year wireless service plan and activation fee required to activate iPhone features, including iPod; plans are subject to AT&T credit approval."
    06-26-2007 09:47 AM
  3. surur's Avatar
    I found Archie!!!



    http://firstinline.wordpress.com/

    So thats why he has not been posting so much recently!!

    Surur
    06-26-2007 09:51 AM
  4. MacUser's Avatar
    The data isn't so bad

    I already have an existing plan. I'll be going from $25 to $20
    06-26-2007 10:03 AM
  5. conekkted's Avatar
    Ka-ching! This part would peeve me off..are they saying w/o AT&T you cannot use the iPod feature?! So muc for unlocked iPhones (software lock it seems, or tied in to the SIM)
    I have mixed feelings about the whole unlocked phone scene. I don't expect my Comcast cable box to work with Time Warner cable and thus get different channels. It is true that you do "buy" the handset. But as long as they advertise what you can and can't do up front then its a "buyer beware" situation. I know the iPhone is expensive. But if everyone was allowed to buy the phone and then bolt to another carrier, the phone cost alone would not pay for ATT's investment in licensing, infrastructure and R&D for the iPhone campaign.

    Sux for us.
    06-26-2007 10:12 AM
  6. amon's Avatar
    I currently have the 39.99. voice plan + the 19.99 media max for my 650.
    Knowing I can pay the same price for the same features on my iphone is nice.

    Godd job!
    06-26-2007 10:12 AM
  7. Hellenek's Avatar
    Apple should've released an unlocked phone. Wouldn't have minded fewer features like selecting random voicemails. Maybe that'll be included in one of the 'iphone family' set...
    06-26-2007 10:15 AM
  8. conekkted's Avatar
    Apple should've released an unlocked phone. Wouldn't have minded fewer features like selecting random voicemails. Maybe that'll be included in one of the 'iphone family' set...
    I hear ya. It would be cool if Apple released a phone that was "open" to unlocking. But it would be suicide if they made one and advertised it for unlocking. You have to realize that Apple and ATT spend hundreds of hours testing and tweaking the HW/SW so that all of the features and call functions work just right with the phone on ATT's network. If you allow it to work with any carrier there will certainly be numerous bugs which will cause thousands of unhappy support calls to Apple. Also, the unfair bad press that they would get is not worth the trouble. You would have Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile customers bad-mouthing the iPhone and saying that it doesn't work like Apple shows in their slick videos. It really is a slippery slope for them. In the end, the way they are doing it is the only smart business decision.
    06-26-2007 10:33 AM
  9. Hellenek's Avatar
    That makes sense. Is that then equivalent to OS X running on a Windoze/Linux PC? What happens when iPhone users travel abroad?
    06-26-2007 10:47 AM
  10. archie's Avatar
    I found Archie!!!



    http://firstinline.wordpress.com/

    So thats why he has not been posting so much recently!!

    Surur
    Note surur tactic.

    Completely ignore the fact that I was correct about the voice and data plan pricing.
    06-26-2007 11:01 AM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Note surur tactic.

    Completely ignore the fact that I was correct about the voice and data plan pricing.
    Actually Archie, I never argued with you about any price plan, but maybe what you are actually asking for is validation. OK then.

    Archie, you are a very special boy, and you have done really, really well.

    Feel better now?

    Surur
    06-26-2007 11:10 AM
  12. bruckwine's Avatar
    I hear ya. It would be cool if Apple released a phone that was "open" to unlocking. But it would be suicide if they made one and advertised it for unlocking. You have to realize that Apple and ATT spend hundreds of hours testing and tweaking the HW/SW so that all of the features and call functions work just right with the phone on ATT's network. If you allow it to work with any carrier there will certainly be numerous bugs which will cause thousands of unhappy support calls to Apple. Also, the unfair bad press that they would get is not worth the trouble. You would have Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile customers bad-mouthing the iPhone and saying that it doesn't work like Apple shows in their slick videos. It really is a slippery slope for them. In the end, the way they are doing it is the only smart business decision.
    It just sucks for consumer freedom. I am right now using my treo 680 in the caribbean (400 unlocked and $50 carrier locked - a good option)..it may be 5 yrs before I can imagine doing that with an iPhone...at lest ipods aren't DRM music only.

    Anyway I guess once more we'll be partioned into the haves and have-nots whether we want it o not lol! I doubt that offering the iPhones w/o visual voicemail for $700 and $800 would've hurt Apple and they certainly would've sold more than the millions they're projecting (ppl buy P900 fo the sme rpice all the time).

    I still think Apple should've never started this locked in to ANY network..but I think the control freak side of Jobs menat he wanted as much powerover the device as anything and ATT wer te ones willing to make the deal.
    06-26-2007 11:19 AM
  13. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Note surur tactic.

    Completely ignore the fact that I was correct about the voice and data plan pricing.
    How you were correct about the pricing? Like you were correct about BT 1.1 and Wi-Fi?

    I think you mean that "mikec" was correct about the pricing.
    06-26-2007 11:32 AM
  14. Certs's Avatar
    I found Archie!!!



    http://firstinline.wordpress.com/

    So thats why he has not been posting so much recently!!

    Surur
    Figures, a Yankee fan...
    06-26-2007 12:05 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Figures, a Yankee fan...
    And Honey Dijon Chips no less....
    06-26-2007 12:07 PM
  16. tirk's Avatar
    I found Archie!!!



    http://firstinline.wordpress.com/

    So thats why he has not been posting so much recently!!

    Surur
    LOL!

    I see that he's asking for paypal donations to support him queuing. What a plonker
    06-26-2007 12:08 PM
  17. archie's Avatar
    How you were correct about the pricing? Like you were correct about BT 1.1 and Wi-Fi?

    I think you mean that "mikec" was correct about the pricing.
    ummmm... since you seem to be having trouble remembering things, this is what you thought.

    Why does eberyone say the phone is $600?

    It's really $2,600 for the phone and 2 years service.
    My bad...it's actually $3,000.
    This is what I knew:
    We'll see about that. ...this voice plan is $39.99 a month and data is $19.99 a month
    06-26-2007 01:44 PM
  18. archie's Avatar
    Oh, you can cross that wi-fi thing off your list too.

    Refer to my response in appropriate thread.
    06-26-2007 01:46 PM
  19. rsnadel's Avatar
    It just sucks for consumer freedom. I am right now using my treo 680 in the caribbean (400 unlocked and $50 carrier locked - a good option)..it may be 5 yrs before I can imagine doing that with an iPhone...at lest ipods aren't DRM music only.

    Anyway I guess once more we'll be partioned into the haves and have-nots whether we want it o not lol! I doubt that offering the iPhones w/o visual voicemail for $700 and $800 would've hurt Apple and they certainly would've sold more than the millions they're projecting (ppl buy P900 fo the sme rpice all the time).

    I still think Apple should've never started this locked in to ANY network..but I think the control freak side of Jobs menat he wanted as much powerover the device as anything and ATT wer te ones willing to make the deal.
    You're forgetting one other key element: cellular is new territory for Apple. Having AT&T as a partner...a partner that will spend many millions of dollars advertising the product, a partner that helped optimize the wireless guts, a partner that means Apple need only focus on one technology (GSM) in its debut model...reduces Apple's risk enormously. Just the advertising support alone probably makes it worth the partnership. Apple can't afford a misstep here...better to have a small success than a big failure.
    06-26-2007 02:23 PM
  20. braj's Avatar
    Note Archie never denied that was him
    06-26-2007 02:23 PM
  21. littlewaywelt's Avatar
    treo 700w on verizon
    299 phone
    70 monthly (40 unl data & 30 talk)
    2 year contract
    =$1,979

    iphone
    600 phone
    60 monthly phone & data
    2 year contact
    =$2,040

    Seems pretty close to me.
    06-26-2007 02:26 PM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    treo 700w on verizon
    299 phone
    70 monthly (40 unl data & 30 talk)
    2 year contract
    =$1,979

    iphone
    600 phone
    60 monthly phone & data
    2 year contact
    =$2,040

    Seems pretty close to me.
    That seems close, but other plans are much cheaper.

    You can get Sprint Treo WX plan, unlimited data (3G) and equivalent minutes for $30-40 a month; if you have more than one phone, it gets even cheaper.

    I think the bigger point is that with the iPhone, price is no object. People will pay whatever is shown to them.
    06-26-2007 02:46 PM
  23. taylorh's Avatar
    I'm surprised at these rates. The voice plan part is identical to all current voice plans. And the data plan portion is identical pricing to Media Max, the cheapest category of data plans.

    Add on for current users:
    iPhone 200 $20 = Media Max 200 ($20
    iPhone 1500 $30 = Media Max 1500 ($30)
    iPhone unlimited $40 = Media Max Unlimited ($40)

    Just add those to the standard $40 and $60 voice plans and you have your packages.

    Nice. I was convinced they were going to go with PDA data pricing.
    Lucky bastards.
    06-26-2007 04:49 PM
  24. Certs's Avatar
    Nice. I was convinced they were going to go with PDA data pricing.
    Lucky bastards.
    I agree, and was equally wrong about the data price. But that raises another question:

    If BUSINESS phones are 40/month for data, why 20 for the iPhone? Must be one of two reasons:

    -Looking at this as a CONSUMER device, not a BUSINESS device

    or

    -No 3G, makes that pill a little easier to swallow.

    I guess number two, since that is the biggest gripe people have w/the phone
    06-26-2007 05:10 PM
  25. archie's Avatar
    I agree, and was equally wrong about the data price. But that raises another question:

    If BUSINESS phones are 40/month for data, why 20 for the iPhone? Must be one of two reasons:

    -Looking at this as a CONSUMER device, not a BUSINESS device

    or

    -No 3G, makes that pill a little easier to swallow.

    I guess number two, since that is the biggest gripe people have w/the phone
    There is another option that is actually the correct one.

    - AT&T is not subsidizing the phone, so they have no costs to recoup in data plans. Much better dealings. I for one am actually able to acknowledge and thank Apple for this new methodology.


    Anyway, this correct option is the one I stated back in late February or early March I believe. Remember?
    06-26-2007 05:24 PM
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