1. newtonjack's Avatar
    if you think Iphone will do it all, said mistake #1 is on ATT's slow network and also said no replacable battery and lack of a keyboard is another pitfall. Basically said it will sell well for 2 months then when all the shortcommings are known sales will fall.
    06-25-2007 10:00 AM
  2. MarkY's Avatar
    I'm neither pro/con iPhone but I'm really getting tired of these "so-called" ANALysts rehashing the same three issues. People have been saying this ever since the iPhone was announced. We'll know later this week whether any of the points are valid.
    06-25-2007 11:14 AM
  3. robbrick's Avatar
    With all the hype Apple and everyone else is making of this iPhone, I think it will set sales records for a mobile device. I don't think come Saturday there will be an iPhone available to buy because they will all sell out Friday.
    06-25-2007 11:20 AM
  4. Certs's Avatar
    For all the negativity, there is quadruple hype. The Daily News in NYC yesterday had an article saying basically the same thing, with the headline "TG iFriday"

    We'll see soon
    06-25-2007 11:28 AM
  5. surur's Avatar
    For all the people accusing me of negativity, I never said it wont sell well. I did say it wont meet targets next year, but I said it would sell 3 million this year easily. This is a very brave analyst.

    We all know no-one ever went bankrupt for ...

    Surur
    06-25-2007 11:34 AM
  6. mikec#IM's Avatar
    For all the people accusing me of negativity, I never said it wont sell well. I did say it wont meet targets next year, but I said it would sell 3 million this year easily. This is a very brave analyst.

    We all know no-one ever went bankrupt for ...

    Surur
    3 Million this year.

    500,000 a month.

    16,667 a day.

    1,666 an hour. (assume 10 hour day)

    28 a minute.

    2 a second.

    I guess we will see. I'm thinking they only sell 1.8M this year.

    But who knows...
    06-25-2007 12:01 PM
  7. marcol's Avatar
    More analyst estimates:

    The following table shows estimates for unit sales of the iPhone.

    Company / Fiscal Year Ending Sept. 2007 / Fiscal Year Ending Sept. 2008

    American Technology Research / 250,000 / **
    Bear Stearns & Co. / 650,000 / **
    Credit Suisse / 1.7 million / 12.3 million
    Pacific Crest Securities / 800,000 / 4.8 million
    Piper Jaffray & Co. / 1.2 million / 8 million
    UBS AG / 950,000 / 8.1 million

    **Not available
    Source: Analyst research reports

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...D8c&refer=home
    06-25-2007 12:32 PM
  8. marcol's Avatar
    Or if you're particularly confident in your own predictions and fancy a bet:

    Certain outcomes are already fairly likely, BetUS says. Stock value is 1:2 likely to spike by 10 percent or more the next trading day. Odds are also 5:6 that the phone will sell 12 million units in 2008; these chances also carry over to the iPhone's sales in the first month, which BetUS claims are equally likely (5:6) to climb over or dip under 1.2 million units in July.
    http://www.electronista.com/articles...ets.on.iphone/
    06-25-2007 12:35 PM
  9. marcol's Avatar
    We all know no-one ever went bankrupt for ...
    Buying HTC? :evil:
    06-25-2007 12:37 PM
  10. Certs's Avatar
    Buying HTC? :evil:
    Buying a bunch of Palm stock the day before they announced the Foleo?
    06-25-2007 02:22 PM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Buying a bunch of Palm stock the day before they announced the Foleo?
    Actually it seems HTC might benefit quite a lot from the IPhone, as the carriers who do not get exclusive IPhone deals looks around for alternatives.

    E.g the HTC Vogue coming to Verizon, which is a basically a CDMA Touch with EVDO Rev A and GPS.
    http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13120

    Surur
    06-25-2007 02:27 PM
  12. newtonjack's Avatar
    06-25-2007 03:24 PM
  13. conekkted's Avatar
    Who cares what FOX said? Nancy Grace said the iPhone is the greatest thing that has happened to humanity since she came on cable TV. And Anderson Cooper said that when he has the iPhone strapped on his belt he will look like less of a tool. The girls from the View said they will replace their current phones, the *****, with the iPhone. Need I say more?
    06-25-2007 03:46 PM
  14. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Who cares what FOX said? Nancy Grace said the iPhone is the greatest thing that has happened to humanity since she came on cable TV. And Anderson Cooper said that when he has the iPhone strapped on his belt he will look like less of a tool. The girls from the View said they will replace their current phones, the *****, with the iPhone. Need I say more?
    I once listened to Nancy Grace...but I kept sticking fork in my ears every 5 seconds, so I had to stop.
    06-25-2007 04:00 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Data plans are $34-$44 for the iPhone according to Engadget...no word on minutes.

    I get $10 unlimited 3G, but now I can pay 4x more for EDGE. Yeeees!
    06-25-2007 04:02 PM
  16. braj's Avatar
    Can you imagine buying a desktop computer and only being able to use it with one ISP? The whole way phones are connected to plans really sucks and is terrible for the consumer, especially as our phones become more and more powerful computers.
    06-25-2007 04:17 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    Data plans are $34-$44 for the iPhone according to Engadget...no word on minutes.

    I get $10 unlimited 3G, but now I can pay 4x more for EDGE. Yeeees!
    That might seem expensive for what you get, but thats thinking like a geek. Apple is all about simplifying. You actually pay for the removal of unnecessary and confusion options, like tethering for example.

    Thats why the Iplan is for the everyman, the Apple man...

    Surur
    06-25-2007 04:28 PM
  18. robbrick's Avatar
    True, but with all of the usual price-downs on phones from the plan providers and manufacturers, if all phones were able to be used on all systems then most phones would not have the discounts, or the ETFs would be astronomical. Also, every company would have to use the same system.

    The way it is now, the cell phone provider who can make the great deals with the manufacturers can be the ones to get the customers. The phone is what gets the person on the network a lot of the time (probably most of the time).
    06-25-2007 04:32 PM
  19. mikec#IM's Avatar
    That might seem expensive for what you get, but thats thinking like a geek. Apple is all about simplifying. You actually pay for the removal of unnecessary and confusion options, like tethering for example.

    Thats why the Iplan is for the everyman, the Apple man...

    Surur
    Surur,

    Thanks for the clarification...I've sliced a bit of my frontal lobes off, so not I am all set.
    06-25-2007 04:36 PM
  20. MacUser's Avatar
    Yeah, how dare a product work out of the box and be intuitive! The idiocy.
    06-25-2007 04:45 PM
  21. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    True, but with all of the usual price-downs on phones from the plan providers and manufacturers, if all phones were able to be used on all systems then most phones would not have the discounts, or the ETFs would be astronomical. Also, every company would have to use the same system...
    That's what so cool about the iPhone...no discount and a two year commitment, BECAUSE retail would have to be $799 on the 8gb version to justify a carrier discount, so why not just stick them retail and gouge them on service (or lack thereof if you consider EDGE as opposed to 3G).:shake:
    06-25-2007 05:03 PM
  22. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Yeah, how dare a product work out of the box and be intuitive! The idiocy.
    Watch out...the Mac is not that intuitive (anymore).

    My dad used to love the old Macs (OS 8 and prior)...but he hadn't had new in many years. Then he up to a new one in the stores, and was baffled trying to do some simple things.

    To my shock, he ended up going with an Windows XP PC...he said it was easier to him to use.

    Not trying to start a raging debate, but there is a lot of variation in the word "intuitive".

    I agree devices out of the box should be intutive and easy to use. iPods are a good example of this (assuming iTunes doesn't crash).

    Phones should be intuitive too...Nokias are horrible...very hard to figure out...Moto's are decent, and Samsungs are very good.

    The iPhone promises to be wonderful in this respect. I guess we will see.
    06-25-2007 05:10 PM
  23. MacUser's Avatar
    Watch out...the Mac is not that intuitive (anymore).

    My dad used to love the old Macs (OS 8 and prior)...but he hadn't had new in many years. Then he up to a new one in the stores, and was baffled trying to do some simple things.

    To my shock, he ended up going with an Windows XP PC...he said it was easier to him to use.

    Not trying to start a raging debate, but there is a lot of variation in the word "intuitive".

    I agree devices out of the box should be intutive and easy to use. iPods are a good example of this (assuming iTunes doesn't crash).

    Phones should be intuitive too...Nokias are horrible...very hard to figure out...Moto's are decent, and Samsungs are very good.

    The iPhone promises to be wonderful in this respect. I guess we will see.
    Good story. No raging debate here.

    My inference was that it took me like 2 months of reading through forums to find a way to make my Treo 650 stable and usable. Not exactly working "right out of the box".
    06-25-2007 05:17 PM
  24. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Good story. No raging debate here.

    My inference was that it took me like 2 months of reading through forums to find a way to make my Treo 650 stable and usable. Not exactly working "right out of the box".
    No raging debate re: the 650 either! :-)

    Palm has not done a good job in that respect; I've owned nearly every Treo made, and didn't have a stable one until the 700WX, and even that is not as stable as I would like (but is rock solid compared to Palm OS).

    I agree a phone should be easy to use out of the box, more so than other devices.
    06-25-2007 05:30 PM
  25. llarson's Avatar
    Watch out...the Mac is not that intuitive (anymore).

    My dad used to love the old Macs (OS 8 and prior)...but he hadn't had new in many years. Then he up to a new one in the stores, and was baffled trying to do some simple things.

    To my shock, he ended up going with an Windows XP PC...he said it was easier to him to use.

    Not trying to start a raging debate, but there is a lot of variation in the word "intuitive".

    I agree devices out of the box should be intutive and easy to use. iPods are a good example of this (assuming iTunes doesn't crash).

    Phones should be intuitive too...Nokias are horrible...very hard to figure out...Moto's are decent, and Samsungs are very good.

    The iPhone promises to be wonderful in this respect. I guess we will see.
    Gave my Grandmother my old G4 laptop and she loves it. Click on the dock for email she's there. She tried Windows and couldn't figure out what was Drive:C, Drive:E and so forth.

    All relative, or in this case relatives.
    06-25-2007 05:50 PM
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