1. bruckwine's Avatar
    Just to keep you guys drooling (or cursing) at the mouth! Over at engadget.com

    linky: http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/23/n...ut-the-iphone/



    Remember the winning Engadget commercial, "The Long Arm of Steve Jobs"? We posted it after the break, but finding someone who's spent some serious time with a pre-launch iPhone and getting them to talk is basically a lot like that. Still, we managed to smuggle out some freshly leaked details from a very trusted inside source who's been fooling around with a unit. Here's what they had to say:

    * The keyboard was simply described as "disappointing". Keyboarding with two thumbs often registers multiple key presses (two or three at a time) resulting in a lot of mistakes. The best way to type is with a single finger (as shown in most of Apple's demos), but two thumbs is supposedly very difficult. After trying it for a number of days our source gave up using their thumbs.
    * The text auto-correction only works well for simple words, but doesn't work for proper names. We can only assume this bit will get better with time as Apple fills out its predictive text dictionary.
    * "It won't replace a BlackBerry. It's not good for text input. It's just not a business product."
    * The touchscreen was said to, in general, require somewhat hard presses to register input, and needs some getting used to.
    * In addition to its dock, the iPhone comes packaged with a polishing cloth (the thing's supposedly a fingerprint magnet, no surprise) and the usual smallish power adapter.
    * The Bluetooth headset will debut in the $120 range, and will come with its own dock for charging both the phone and the headset. The headset will feature a miniature magnetic charging interface la MagSafe.

    * The Bluetooth headset has a hidden LED and is supposedly a very small and elegant device. Sound quality is said to be "typical". There is no clip; like many headsets you're expected to just let it hang out of your ear, as previously shown.
    * The browser "worked well" but page load speeds on EDGE were just as slow as expected. It sounds like 3G users will have a tough run with this.
    * Users must scroll through the address book (or use the alphabet-drag on the side) -- one cannot bring up the keyboard and type in a name, as many of us are used to.
    * Shocker: YouTube over EDGE didn't work well at all, and will basically necessitate use of WiFi.

    06-23-2007 07:00 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    The level of iHate is pretty high in that thread. I guess not everyone wants the iPhone after all.

    I think this is Achie.

    Man as an iPhone fan I finally know what it was like for those Christians that the Roman's persecuted. Why all the hate?
    Surur
    06-23-2007 07:02 PM
  3. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    The "it's not a Blackberry" statement: I sort of suspected that one. But not good for text input means a no-go for sure, if true.

    Lack of 3G for heavy pages=slow, I suspected that too. Cannot watch video over the cool screen unless wifi is on? Battery drain.

    Maybe I'll just get the BT headset since it should work with more than just the iPhone, right?

    P.S. I just saw the picture of the BT headset, no thanks if that's the final design.
    06-23-2007 07:20 PM
  4. braj's Avatar
    I liked this post (in response to: I find it really interesting that people seem so quick to jump on the "the touchscreen keyboard must suck" bandwagon without having tried or gotten used to it. Doesn't this basically fall into the "it's just a matter of opinion" category?)

    No, it isn't just a matter of opinion. People have been using handheld devices with on-screen soft keyboards for over a decade now, and with the exception of Apple's new product, every other company has found that when communication is the primary function, a hardware keyboard functions better. That is why even companies like Palm/Handspring, which were really big supporters of touchscreen devices, eventually went with a hardware keyboard. In fact, except for Apple, you will have a hard time finding any dedicated communication device that doesn't have a hardware keyboard. That isn't because no one else thought of using an on-screen keyboard, it is because they just don't work well for heavy input. That isn't in my opinion, that is objectively provable through many years of experimentation by multiple device manufacturers.
    This is one of my primary feelings, I just moved from a TX using myKBD which I guarantee is faster then Apple's onscreen input and the physical keys just are more efficient. I also went from a TX paired with a cell for net access, using that nice big TX screen to using the much smaller Treo and I can say definitely I think swapping the screen for the thumboard was a good trade. The Treo just is more efficient because of the hard thumboard.

    I'd recommend anyone wanting to know if the iPhone keyboard will work for them try out Mini-Keyboard for Palm OS. If you find that better than a Treo keyboard then maybe the iPhone will work for you.
    06-23-2007 07:21 PM
  5. bruckwine's Avatar
    Off topic..just realised that AT&T will be charging %175 for cancellation even though the iPhone has no subsidies - that's highway robbery that is!

    AT&T iWay robbery
    06-23-2007 07:49 PM
  6. tirk's Avatar
    The "it's not a Blackberry" statement: I sort of suspected that one. But not good for text input means a no-go for sure, if true.
    At last some reality. It looks like quite a decent multimedia device, but a smartphone it aint.

    Lack of 3G for heavy pages=slow, I suspected that too.
    Ah. Except for that. Oh, and the limited storage. And the price.

    Oh well, you've got to suffer for fashion, apparently. :evil:
    06-23-2007 07:54 PM
  7. oalvarez's Avatar
    hardly a surprise that it won't be replacing a blackberry or a real business type device.

    great info on the keyboard though, pecking with a finger to help your chances of not hitting a letter twice doesn't sound like a feature either.

    still going to try one out
    06-23-2007 07:55 PM
  8. Malatesta's Avatar
    Off topic..just realised that AT&T will be charging %175 for cancellation even though the iPhone has no subsidies - that's highway robbery that is!

    AT&T iWay robbery
    Well, a 2 year contract is still a contract. I guess I always expected ETF's to apply, so not too surprising. I'd also like to think they'd launch some awesome data plan with the iPhone but for some reason I bet it'll be still as costly (all those YouTube streams...or at least attempts )
    06-23-2007 07:56 PM
  9. Malatesta's Avatar
    still going to try one out
    Definitely. Lots of people won't be bothered with this.

    It's just going to be like every other device: it'll have pros and cons and those will vary for person to person.
    06-23-2007 07:57 PM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    As I have said, it's a PMP with a phone thrown in. Sexy, slick, and limited.

    For $2,600, I'll pass on this version.

    I'm going contrarian and saying once all the de-hype leaks, they will not sell as many as expected. (or it will be a popular PMP, and people will still have another phone.
    06-23-2007 08:09 PM
  11. tirk's Avatar
    I'm going contrarian and saying once all the de-hype leaks, they will not sell as many as expected.
    Oh it will. The Faithful must have their latest fetish, even if the kids go hungry. :shake:
    06-23-2007 08:12 PM
  12. braj's Avatar
    I'd love to see one with everything but the phone, and give it more memory. To me this just seems like a nice preview into the next iPod.
    06-23-2007 08:26 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    Its amazing how 5% of sales can generate 60% of stories, isnt it?

    Surur
    06-23-2007 08:28 PM
  14. braj's Avatar
    Its amazing how 5% of sales can generate 60% of stories, isnt it?

    Surur
    I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. This is as much of an iPod than a iMac, moreso even, and Apple is definitely the leader in that market.

    Why do you have so much ill-will towards Apple but like Windows so much? Of the two products and two companies I personally would prefer Apple any day, taking away price or necessities for my work. I hate Windows. I thought it might improve with Vista but it's far worse.
    06-23-2007 08:35 PM
  15. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Just how bad is Vista?
    06-23-2007 08:44 PM
  16. Malatesta's Avatar
    Just how bad is Vista?
    I haven't tried it myself but a friend who's a "Mac Genius" at an Apple store () actually had a lot of positive things to say about it, then again it seems MS copied a lot of the "stylings" of Apple, so I can see that.

    tirk, that link was sooo worth it, lol
    06-23-2007 08:52 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    Just slloooowwww even on what I would consider a fairly fast machine. I'm going to turn off all the bells and whistles very soon, I hope that helps. I just also don't think the same as Windows developers I guess. For a home machine I think Macs are much easier to deal with, and the integration of all the iApps is really nice. Just I let specs convince me Windows was a better value but I should have known better. The HP hardware is nice though.
    06-23-2007 08:55 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. This is as much of an iPod than a iMac, moreso even, and Apple is definitely the leader in that market.

    Why do you have so much ill-will towards Apple but like Windows so much? Of the two products and two companies I personally would prefer Apple any day, taking away price or necessities for my work. I hate Windows. I thought it might improve with Vista but it's far worse.
    It gets tiring hearing about things not relevant to oneself. I listen to the CNET Buzz out loud podcast daily, and every day its some or other news about Apple. If its not a new colour Ipod, its the new mac book or macbook pro, or parallels or boot camp or leopard etc etc etc, and for the last 9 months its the IPhone news. It gets boring real fast, and the fact is that they represent a very small part of the market. And all the technology sites are the same.

    Why dont we hear as much about the latest Vaio's, or Samsung's latest 800x480 finger print reading GPS HSDPA phone? Dont they deserve any attention?

    Surur
    06-23-2007 08:56 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    I haven't tried it myself but a friend who's a "Mac Genius" at an Apple store () actually had a lot of positive things to say about it, then again it seems MS copied a lot of the "stylings" of Apple, so I can see that.

    tirk, that link was sooo worth it, lol
    It's not 'that bad' but I haven't gotten the performance out of this machine that I would expect it to have. 2GB RAM isn't a lot of RAM for Vista. Once you turn off all the stuff you might as well have stuck with XP anyway.
    06-23-2007 08:57 PM
  20. HowardH's Avatar
    It's blatantly obvious that this device is not meant as a serious competitor for the Windows Mobile/Blackberry suite in the Enterprise world. It's a shame that the fact will be missed by the vast majority of critics out there.

    I'm waiting for Top Gear to run a review of the Scaglietti and ***** about the lack of practicality for today's large shopping trips at Costco et. al. Because really, that's what much of the criticism of the iPhone is like. Let's grossly misunderstand the target market of the device, then we'll make silly judgement calls about the devices usability and turn that into a critical review.
    06-23-2007 09:03 PM
  21. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Vista is actually pretty cool...I was a detractor until I tried it. Now I can't go back.

    Sure you need RAM, but RAM is cheap, and it performs nicely.
    06-23-2007 09:08 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    It's blatantly obvious that this device is not meant as a serious competitor for the Windows Mobile/Blackberry suite in the Enterprise world. It's a shame that the fact will be missed by the vast majority of critics out there.... Because really, that's what much of the criticism of the iPhone is like. Let's grossly misunderstand the target market of the device, then we'll make silly judgement calls about the devices usability and turn that into a critical review.


    Yes, its blatantly obvious Jobs did not mean for us to compare his device to current smartphones....

    Surur
    06-23-2007 09:09 PM
  23. HowardH's Avatar


    Yes, its blatantly obvious Jobs did not mean for us to compare his device to current smartphones....

    Surur
    Don't confuse a feature comparison with a target market.

    The Windows Mobile and Blackberry devices are primarily Enterprise devices. You can look at both the historical marketing and current trends to see that. There are plenty of "consumer" users who use these devices too, but primarily they're after the Enterprise end of the market.

    The iPhone on the other hand, is an Internet enabled iPod that makes phone calls and bundles in other features.

    Take a look at what's missing from the iPhone:
    * Exchange Server support for OTA syncing
    * Outlook syncing (even desktop based)
    * Tactile keyboard
    * etc.


    So either Apple are aiming at the Enterprise market to directly compete against the Blackberry/WM devices on their primary turf and Apple just happened to have COMPLETELY dropped the ball and using my absolute prodigal genius and superlative earth shattering intelletct I've just single handedly blown their whole marketing scheme completely wide open and exposed the vulnerabilities that their army of service development staff didn't in years of product roadmaps. Or they're aiming for a multimedia device with phone capabilities aimed at the consumer market

    I'm voting that it's primarily a consumer device.

    That doesn't mean that the devices cannot be compared, nor that the devices cannot cross over. Just like you really CAN do our shopping in a Ferrari if you like. But these things should be considered before purchasing/reviewing such devices (or cars).
    06-23-2007 09:28 PM
  24. oalvarez's Avatar
    I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. This is as much of an iPod than a iMac, moreso even, and Apple is definitely the leader in that market.

    Why do you have so much ill-will towards Apple but like Windows so much? Of the two products and two companies I personally would prefer Apple any day, taking away price or necessities for my work. I hate Windows. I thought it might improve with Vista but it's far worse.
    whoa...maybe we do think alike
    06-23-2007 09:29 PM
  25. Malatesta's Avatar
    So either Apple are aiming at the Enterprise market to directly compete against the Blackberry/WM devices on their primary turf and Apple just happened to have COMPLETELY dropped the ball and using my absolute prodigal genius and superlative earth shattering intelletct I've just single handedly blown their whole marketing scheme completely wide open ...
    yeah, why would anyone one of us think they were going after RIM, MS etc.?

    All this may change later this month when Apple plans to unveil the iPhone. According to a person close to Apple, the company is expected to fight for this market, currently dominated by players like BlackBerry's RIM, Palm Inc. and, increasingly, Nokia Corp. and Motorola.
    Source: WSJ

    You are really tricking yourself into believe this, aren't you? :shake:

    HowardH:
    06-23-2007 09:39 PM
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