1. treobk214's Avatar
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    Surur
    Whats the matter, you dont mind dishing out insults but you`re upset when they`re directed at you, eh? :
    06-24-2007 06:55 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    It seems the original question was rhetorical. In his own little way, he was not saying the IPhone is the greatest, but was actually saying no matter what the IPhone is, Apple has done more for mobile computing than Microsoft has.

    He's just not very articulate.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:58 PM
  3. treobk214's Avatar
    It seems the original question was rhetorical. In his own little way, he was not saying the IPhone is the greatest, but was actually saying no matter what the IPhone is, Apple has done more for mobile computing than Microsoft has.

    He's just not very articulate.

    Surur
    He`s just not very keen. Rather than grasp it earlier, surur struggled to determine my meaning, when in fact it was a very simple question. To specify here, I was NOT saying that apple contributed more to the mobile industry than microsoft has. I was simply alluding to the fact that microsoft hasnt designed any of their own smartphones which would compete with the iphone.

    He`s just not very bright at times.

    The iphone is an interesting new phone which will likely pave the way for successful, future phones from apple. Its an excellent first step into the cellphone sector to say the least.
    06-24-2007 07:05 PM
  4. MarkEagle's Avatar
    Let's keep the personal digs out of the discussion.
    06-24-2007 07:17 PM
  5. oalvarez's Avatar
    for those who must have GPS on their handheld, is it because your cars do not equipped with it?
    06-24-2007 07:18 PM
  6. mikec#IM's Avatar
    TreoBK,

    People can only respond to what you type.

    you said "keyboard" in the post the surur replied to, and then got huffy, said "I said VIRTUAL KEYBOARD", and then said he couldn't read (implying he was dumb).

    I think you ouught to chill a bit, considering you are making the errors. Surur is just responding.
    06-24-2007 07:36 PM
  7. surur's Avatar
    for those who must have GPS on their handheld, is it because your cars do not equipped with it?
    GPS is just the next natural step in the technological advance of a handheld device. Its not that it must have it, but after it has everything else (HSDPA, Keyboard, WIFI, nice camera) what else are you going to add?

    You may as well ask if people who want a nice camera on their handheld do not have stand alone cameras.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 07:38 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    for those who must have GPS on their handheld, is it because your cars do not equipped with it?
    It's because some of us walk, take trains and airplanes, rent cars, etc. It's because many phones in the iPhone price range have this option.
    06-24-2007 07:41 PM
  9. Dim-Ize's Avatar
    My wife's Honda Odyssey has built-in GPS and my Mercedes doesn't. I love the nice large display for her system. But, I like having a mobile sysem too. It helps when traveling in a vehicle that doesn't belong to you. Pprtable systems can also be used for trails, hiking, camping, biking, etc.
    06-24-2007 07:47 PM
  10. MacUser's Avatar
    Would GPS be nice, sure it would. For some who travel often, I'm sure it's a necessity. It's really cool to have, but it isn't on my MUST HAVE list for a cell phone. For some, I'm sure it is....
    06-24-2007 08:13 PM
  11. braj's Avatar
    My wife's Honda Odyssey has built-in GPS and my Mercedes doesn't. I love the nice large display for her system. But, I like having a mobile sysem too. It helps when traveling in a vehicle that doesn't belong to you. Pprtable systems can also be used for trails, hiking, camping, biking, etc.
    Your Benz doesn't have GPS? How ghetto!
    06-24-2007 08:14 PM
  12. MacUser's Avatar
    My wife's Honda Odyssey has built-in GPS and my Mercedes doesn't. I love the nice large display for her system. But, I like having a mobile sysem too. It helps when traveling in a vehicle that doesn't belong to you. Pprtable systems can also be used for trails, hiking, camping, biking, etc.
    I could have had the GPS in my Honda Pilot, but I HAD to get the DVD entertainment package
    06-24-2007 08:19 PM
  13. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    For all the apple haters, show me something microsoft has done which trumps the iphone.
    The iPhone is a device, Microsoft is a software company. This is like asking someone to show you what computer Microsoft has built that trumps the iMac. I only write this because you seem to be a bit naive on the subject.

    However, WM devices trump the iPhone all to pieces. Push email (and calendar) from corporate servers is a clear trump. One-handed use is a clear trump. removable battery is a clear trump. One-handed keyboarding by feel (rather than two-handed typing by visual confirmation) is a clear trump. User memory expandability is a clear trump. On the entertainment side, a lack of broadband by the iPhone pretty well eliminates music streaming and video playback (a la slingbox or the like) - yet another clear trump. The sheer volume of third party software is a clear trump. Trump after trump after trump.

    To be fair, iPhone gets a clear trump on prettiness - it a very pretty device. Call it the "Blonde Bombshell" of mobile devices - very nice to look at - very smooth interface (if you don't mind two-handed interfaces). Just don't try to engage it intellectually.

    Playing music, taking pictures, calling people, reading email, all pretty much a wash.
    06-24-2007 08:35 PM
  14. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Would GPS be nice, sure it would. For some who travel often, I'm sure it's a necessity. It's really cool to have, but it isn't on my MUST HAVE list for a cell phone. For some, I'm sure it is....
    My car has GPS and I really like it, but my car is available in my local area. When I'm traveling to a new area (or simply walking around a local area that's new to me), a built-in GPS is a nice thing to have - like Cingular blackberries have.
    06-24-2007 08:37 PM
  15. bruckwine's Avatar
    I actually don't even have GPS..or DVD in my car..I could, but I find them a bit of extravagance rather than need..maybe when I strike it rich lol! Or it could be i travel in a 50-100 mile radius daily that I know like the back of my hand
    06-24-2007 08:38 PM
  16. samkim's Avatar
    For all the apple haters, show me something microsoft has done which trumps the iphone.
    You didn't ask about "device", as you claimed. You asked for "something" which trumps the iPhone. If that excludes operating systems, that's certainly not stated in the original question.
    06-24-2007 08:49 PM
  17. oalvarez's Avatar
    It's because some of us walk, take trains and airplanes, rent cars, etc. It's because many phones in the iPhone price range have this option.
    ya, i could definitely see how Braj could gain benefit from it when traveling on a train or a plane.

    :hmm:
    06-24-2007 08:58 PM
  18. bruckwine's Avatar
    ya, i could definitely see how Braj could gain benefit from it when traveling on a train or a plane.

    :hmm:
    lol I think he meant to plan which train or plane he takes :hmm:
    06-24-2007 09:01 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    ya, i could definitely see how Braj could gain benefit from it when traveling on a train or a plane.

    :hmm:
    You eventually get off the train or plane and deal with unfamiliar cities and have to navigate your way through them. How often do you go on business trips? Do you get paid to post nonsense because I can't imagine anyone doing that for free or on purpose. "We don't want 3G, we don't want GPS, what use are they? If the iPhone is lacking in some way let's turn it into an advantage instead."
    06-24-2007 09:05 PM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    whatever you say pal

    "we don't want 3G, we don't want GPS" are those your words? surely are not mine. i think that the product will sell without 3G and without GPS just as all other products out there have successfully done so (Treos included). what is so funny is how some of you make it out to be a requirement. if it doesn't have it you say it's a failure. well, come June 29th and for the near term you will see that it really isn't a requirement. that is unless 15-20mm in unit sales can be considered such.

    i've been on enough business trips in my life and guess what, i found my way each and every time without GPS, countless millions have done so too.
    06-24-2007 10:27 PM
  21. braj's Avatar
    Who said it is going to be a failure? I'm saying it is a disappointment for me and I will be looking to buy one only if some things get added.

    Between the no 3G, GPS, or hardkeys, and being a closed system, I couldn't justify the price right now. But in a year when I'm ready to upgrade, maybe some of these will be addressed, and maybe I'll get one. If not maybe I'll just get a new iPod. I frankly have more faith in Apple than I have in Palm to make what I want. I have high hopes actually. My comments about the iPhone aren't anti-iPhone but apologists like yourself take any reasonable, objective view of the device as slander.

    I'm not analyzing this from a marketing pass/fail will-it-be-successful POV, but do I think it would suit me? Right now it is a cool toy but I also need my phone for work.
    06-24-2007 10:41 PM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    again with the personal digs...
    06-24-2007 11:04 PM
  23. braj's Avatar
    again with the personal digs...
    Sorry if you find 'apologist' a dig, I just find it to be accurate.
    06-24-2007 11:30 PM
  24. marcol's Avatar
    for those who must have GPS on their handheld, is it because your cars do not equipped with it?
    Advantages of handheld GPS:

    1) You can use it when not in your car. The prospect of never being lost and always being able to find a destination provided you have some basic address information is quite nice.

    2) AFAIK the handheld software is much more flexible. I'm thinking in particular of the ability to add POI and specifically the speed camera database from these guys:

    http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Cameras#

    Pretty much an essential for me. If you're not in the UK, your mileage (and the chance of being snapped doing it) may vary.
    06-25-2007 04:47 AM
  25. MacUser's Avatar
    Advantages of handheld GPS:
    Agreed. I live in the States and there are times one would certainly help me. But it's not a deal breaker. I don't have GPS with my Treo 650.
    06-25-2007 07:52 AM
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