1. marcol's Avatar
    Will he now concede its just the thinnest device around, (not even the smallest) but otherwise roundly beaten on features
    I'm not going to speak for treobk214, but I certainly wouldn't. My next phone could well be a WM device, but that doesn't mean that I won't be looking enviously at some of the features of the iPhone. As I posted above, I really like the look of UI and hardware. I'd value iTunes integration. Storage looks good. Browser looks like it knocks any other out of the water. Etc, etc. There are big downsides for me too, especially no 3G and possibly the absence of a physical keyboard. I'd also like my next device to have integrated high quality GPS and turn-by-turn navigation software.
    06-24-2007 06:05 PM
  2. treobk214's Avatar
    Surur
    I asked for devices that beat the iphone. i did not say the iphone was superior to ALL devices out there. cripes!
    06-24-2007 06:05 PM
  3. marcol's Avatar
    Once again it depends on who you are...
    That's my point!
    06-24-2007 06:07 PM
  4. surur's Avatar
    I'm not going to speak for treobk214, but I certainly wouldn't. My next phone could well be a WM device, but that doesn't mean that I won't be looking enviously at some of the features of the iPhone. As I posted above, I really like the look of UI and hardware. I'd value iTunes integration. Storage looks good. Browser looks like it knocks any other out of the water. Etc, etc. There are big downsides for me too, especially no 3G and possibly the absence of a physical keyboard. I'd also like my next device to have integrated high quality GPS and turn-by-turn navigation software.
    As I said, roundly beaten on features.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:08 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    I asked for devices that beat the iphone. i did not say the iphone was superior to ALL devices out there. cripes!
    And you dont understand this is the same thing? I dont want to get personal on you, but you seem to have logic problems.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:10 PM
  6. treobk214's Avatar
    Of course it does.

    Surur
    And the battery life? removable battery or no?
    06-24-2007 06:10 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    I second the mobile sites being better for mobile uses. Even Apple suggests developers create iPhone-specific sites. The Safari system looks nice and I like it, but even for the desktop RSS feeds are getting more popular. Google's RSS is awesome and I can use the desktop to manage what I will see on my Palm. So it is a bit of a stretch to say that Safari feature gives any real usability improvement (we'll have to see in practice, playing with Opera's version in an emulator on the web wasn't incredible really), not to say it isn't nice.
    06-24-2007 06:10 PM
  8. surur's Avatar
    And the battery life? removable battery or no?
    Of course the battery is removable. Its not made by Apple, is it.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:12 PM
  9. treobk214's Avatar
    And you dont understand this is the same thing? I dont want to get personal on you, but you seem to have logic problems.

    Surur
    Youre a mess. i asked for devices from microsoft. You gave me NONE. The problem lies with you.
    06-24-2007 06:14 PM
  10. surur's Avatar
    Youre a mess. i asked for devices from microsoft. You gave me NONE. The problem lies with you.
    Again, Microsoft does not make phones....

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:17 PM
  11. treobk214's Avatar
    Of course the battery is removable. Its not made by Apple, is it.

    Surur
    Apple purports 8 hour talk time. Of course we know all companies exaggerate a little on that spec, but we can assume its around 6 - 7 hours.
    Your phone is reported to allow 5 hours of talk time, as reported by the company.
    06-24-2007 06:17 PM
  12. treobk214's Avatar
    Again, Microsoft does not make phones....

    Surur
    EXACTLY. simple logic, there, no?
    06-24-2007 06:18 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    EXACTLY. simple logic, there, no?
    Exactly what? Is that not a stupid question to ask then?

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:23 PM
  14. surur's Avatar
    Apple purports 8 hour talk time. Of course we know all companies exaggerate a little on that spec, but we can assume its around 6 - 7 hours.
    Your phone is reported to allow 5 hours of talk time, as reported by the company.
    Apple's claims are just claims. We will soon see in real life, but the reports so far have not been good.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:24 PM
  15. marcol's Avatar
    I second the mobile sites being better for mobile uses.
    Problem is most sites don't have a mobile version. With Blazer or Xiino I mostly limited myself to mobile sites but the Nokia OSS browser does a pretty good job with full-sized pages and I find myself visiting these *much* more often. Really needs 3G or Wifi of course but at least for me having a decent browser makes a big difference - much more of the web is accessible now.
    06-24-2007 06:27 PM
  16. treobk214's Avatar
    Exactly what? Is that not a stupid question to ask then?

    Surur
    You seem to have enthusiastically jumped on "answering" such a stupid question then didnt you? The fact is, microsoft doesnt make anything that trumps the iphone. period.

    You`re quick to attack apple, so I asked you for a device which microsoft makes which kills the iphone. That`s not a stupid question, just a simple straightforward one. The answer was simple as well. There ARE NONE. That is exactly what.

    There you have it.
    06-24-2007 06:37 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    You seem to have enthusiastically jumped on "answering" such a stupid question then didnt you? The fact is, microsoft doesnt make anything that trumps the iphone. period.

    You`re quick to attack apple, so I asked you for a device which microsoft makes which kills it. That`s not a stupid question, just a simple straightforward one. The answer was simple as well. There ARE NONE. That is exactly what.

    There you have it.
    Just tell me again... is English your first language. I think you actually mean:

    The fact is, Microsoft doesn't make A PHONE that trumps the iphone.
    but then neither does IBM or Ford or the Vatican. Have you got any more (stupid) rhetorical questions?

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:42 PM
  18. treobk214's Avatar
    Just tell me again... is English your first language. I think you actually mean:



    but then neither does IBM or Ford or the Vatican. Have you got any more (stupid) rhetorical questions?

    Surur
    See, this is how I know I`ve gotten the better of you, because you resort to your childish little comments. You ve got an obsessive compulsive problem which you need help with, and its apparent to anyone who reads these forums. Do yourself a favor. Seriously, get checked out.
    06-24-2007 06:45 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    See, this is how I know I`ve gotten the better of you, because you resort to your childish little namecalling. Youre a small person, surur. You ve got an obsessive compulsive problem which you need help with, and its apparent to anyone who reads these forums. Do yourself a favor. Seriously, get checked out.
    Case of the pot calling the kettle black it seems
    06-24-2007 06:48 PM
  20. MacUser's Avatar
    And you dont understand this is the same thing? I dont want to get personal on you, but you seem to have logic problems.

    Surur
    Actually, by asking what device is superior to an iPhone does not imply it is the best. If an iPhone was just marginal but all competitors in its class were poor, the iPhone would not necessarily be the best of all phones.

    MacUser<--4.0 in Logic, Reasoning and Persuasion, Philosophy Minor
    06-24-2007 06:48 PM
  21. surur's Avatar
    See, this is how I know I`ve gotten the better of you, because you resort to your childish little comments. Youre a small person, surur. You ve got an obsessive compulsive problem which you need help with, and its apparent to anyone who reads these forums. Do yourself a favor. Seriously, get checked out.
    :shake: :shake:

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:50 PM
  22. treobk214's Avatar
    Case of the pot calling the kettle black it seems
    I think surur takes the gold as far as this goes. I would think you`d realize this as well.
    06-24-2007 06:50 PM
  23. treobk214's Avatar
    Actually, by asking what device is superior to an iPhone does not imply it is the best. If an iPhone was just marginal but all competitors in its class were poor, the iPhone would not necessarily be the best of all phones.

    MacUser<--4.0 in Logic, Reasoning and Persuasion, Philosophy Minor
    Absolutely right.
    06-24-2007 06:52 PM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Actually, by asking what device is superior to an iPhone does not imply it is the best. If an iPhone was just marginal but all competitors in its class were poor, the iPhone would not necessarily be the best of all phones.
    Unless you are hinging on "in its class" it would mean just that (in this context at least).

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:52 PM
  25. bruckwine's Avatar
    Tbh personally I think the original question "what device does MICROSOFT make that trumps the iPhone" is/was a waste of time..I assumed he meant what windows mobile phones beat the iPhone (i.e. wm6 vs OS X mobile). If he actually meant the original questions as is it's a nonissue..you can't compare a car to an apple and not descend into the ridiculous! The questions is so off-topic I'd rather you start a new thread for it! e.g. "Can Microsoft make a better mobile device?"

    And if we start talking about phone classes then cut out BBs & treo comparisons (above iPhone class) and razrs (below)..not much to compare to! To make the discussion sensible let's keep it logical - you want to compare phones then do that..then compare one UI vs another but comparing apple and tin cans doesn't get you every far! A new thread for treobk214 vs surur would be fine with me lol!
    06-24-2007 06:53 PM
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