1. surur's Avatar
    Oh wow, I REALLY pulled a fast one on you there, didnt I? You folks are priceless.

    Form factor IS what helps make smartphones or cellphones in general for that matter more appealing is it not? In the iphone`s case, it seems to possess that at this point. It appears to be much thinner than most devices out there, no? This is one way in which the iphone is more attractive in some ways than the thicker, bulkier bricks that many phones with wm6 onboard. For the general public, it is reasonable to say that form factor is one of the critical features which will make or break the success of a phone.

    If you dont care about form factor, than buying a brick is really not a problem is it? But if form factor is high on the list of desires, than the iphone does appear to have an edge on many windows mobile devices at least in this category. There is room for improvement on the specs of the iphone, but my stance on it is that it is not a bad first phone for apple. I am looking forward to 2nd and 3rd generations.
    My HTC phone is smaller in volume than the IPhone. It will fit easier into my pocket. Do I win a prize now?

    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:20 PM
  2. treobk214's Avatar
    The HTC Advantage has a bigger, higher resolution screen, built-in GPS, HSDPA and a 8GB HDD. Thats just one example.

    The HTC Kaiser has HSDPA, GPS, a nice keyboard, and an innovative tilt screen.

    etc etc.

    Surur
    The HTC advantage does have some nice specs onboard, and its a clever way of integrating the keyboard with a tilt screen, but what do you think about holding that up to your ear?

    The HTC Kaiser has an awful lot of goodies onboard as well, but there is still the problem of form factor. Form factor is the one recurring problem with most windows mobile devices, would you not agree?

    The day that a company designs a sleek, thin smartphone with all of the features within the HTC phones will be the day you can safely say the iphone is beaten for good measure.
    06-24-2007 05:25 PM
  3. treobk214's Avatar
    My HTC phone is smaller in volume than the IPhone. It will fit easier into my pocket. Do I win a prize now?

    Surur
    for what, acting like a child? ok sure
    06-24-2007 05:26 PM
  4. marcol's Avatar
    is that a phone? does it do email? web? does it have a virtual keyboard? sms?
    Of course not. It is the device that Microsoft make that is most closely related to the iPhone though...
    06-24-2007 05:26 PM
  5. marcol's Avatar
    Youve given me the capabilities of wm6, but what DEVICE with wm6 out there has the ability to blow the iphone out of the water?
    Precisely!
    06-24-2007 05:27 PM
  6. marcol's Avatar
    Ive already answered your question (to which you did not actually respond).
    You compared an OS to a device!
    06-24-2007 05:29 PM
  7. treobk214's Avatar
    My HTC phone is smaller in volume than the IPhone. It will fit easier into my pocket. Do I win a prize now?

    Surur
    Does that have a virtual keyboard?
    06-24-2007 05:32 PM
  8. treobk214's Avatar
    Of course not. It is the device that Microsoft make that is most closely related to the iPhone though...
    I will say that its a nice media device.
    06-24-2007 05:33 PM
  9. surur's Avatar
    You compared an OS to a device!
    For all the apple haters, show me something microsoft has done which trumps the iphone.
    MS makes software mostly. WM is "something which microsoft has done". He did not ask something HTC has done, or Toshiba, or Eten etc.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:33 PM
  10. surur's Avatar
    Does that have a keyboard?
    Like the IPhone, it does not.






    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:34 PM
  11. marcol's Avatar
    The HTC Advantage has a bigger, higher resolution screen, built-in GPS, HSDPA and a 8GB HDD. Thats just one example.

    The HTC Kaiser has HSDPA, GPS, a nice keyboard, and an innovative tilt screen.
    Now we're getting there! Advantage is a very powerful device, no doubt. It's also absolutely massive. 359 g! It's not really the same sort of device as an iPhone at all.

    Kaiser is more comparable. Still larger and heavier (160 g) though. Also has a screen half the resolution of an iPhone and, as does the Advantage, lacks the UI and hardware aesthetics (which I personally think are very much better). Also lacks iTunes integration and GBs of integrated storage.

    That's not to say that the iPhone is better than the Kaiser or Advantage in every single way. Each of the three has its, ahem, advantages. But to my mind there is no single WM device that's better than the iPhone in all ways and there are probably no current WM phones that are bested by the iPhone in every department either. It's about the blend of what devices can do and how well they do those things. Silly to think otherwise really.
    06-24-2007 05:40 PM
  12. treobk214's Avatar
    Like the IPhone, it does not.



    Surur
    I said VIRTUAL KEYBOARD. Try reading more carefully. So what you`re essentially saying is that your HTC TOUCH couldnt replace a smartphone with a keyboard. Do you think your phone would appeal to those who need a device that is both thin AND has a keyboard - virtual or otherwise? Would it appeal to those who need a keyboard for typing frequent emails or considerable data input on a regular basis? I dont think blackberry users would flock to it, let`s just put it that way.
    06-24-2007 05:41 PM
  13. treobk214's Avatar
    Now we're getting there! Advantage is a very powerful device, no doubt. It's also absolutely massive. 359 g! It's not really the same sort of device as an iPhone at all.

    Kaiser is more comparable. Still larger and heavier (160 g) though. Also has a screen half the resolution of an iPhone and, as does the Advantage, lacks the UI and hardware aesthetics (which I personally think are very much better). Also lacks iTunes integration and GBs of integrated storage.

    That's not to say that the iPhone is better than the Kaiser or Advantage in every single way. Each of the three has its, ahem, advantages. But to my mind there is no single WM device that's better than the iPhone in all ways and there are probably no current WM phones that are bested by the iPhone in every department either. It's about the blend of what devices can do and how well they do those things. Silly to think otherwise really.
    Absolutely right, marcol. Thank you. I think we can put an end to all this bickering with just your response right there. Right on the money. :thumbsup:
    06-24-2007 05:42 PM
  14. marcol's Avatar
    My HTC phone is smaller in volume than the IPhone. It will fit easier into my pocket. Do I win a prize now?
    Lol. As we've discussed before it is (from memory) 1.1% smaller in volume than the iPhone. Use that cubic centimetre of pocket space wisely!
    06-24-2007 05:44 PM
  15. treobk214's Avatar
    MS makes software mostly. WM is "something which microsoft has done". He did not ask something HTC has done, or Toshiba, or Eten etc.

    Surur

    I DID ask for a device which "microsoft has done" to outperform the iphone.
    06-24-2007 05:44 PM
  16. surur's Avatar
    I said VIRTUAL KEYBOARD. Try reading more carefully.

    Sorry, I can only read what you write. Did you really say virtual? I must be going blind.

    Of course it has a virtual keyboard. How else are you going to reply to your email?

    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:46 PM
  17. marcol's Avatar
    Absolutely right, marcol. Thank you. I think we can put an end to all this bickering with just your response right there. Right on the money. :thumbsup:
    Thanks
    06-24-2007 05:50 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    I DID ask for a device which "microsoft has done" to outperform the iphone.
    You must be related to Alice in wonderland. You keep expecting me to read your mind and understand what you mean instead of what you write.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:50 PM
  19. surur's Avatar
    Thanks
    Thats all fine and dandy, but I believe it was treobk214 who claimed the ultimate superiority of the IPhone. Will he now concede its just the thinnest device around, (not even the smallest) but otherwise roundly beaten on features?

    Surur
    06-24-2007 05:52 PM
  20. treobk214's Avatar
    You must be related to Alice in wonderland. You keep expecting me to read your mind and understand what you mean instead of what you write.

    Surur
    you must be an immature or insecure child, who takes pleasure in posting rude comments.


    I believe what i have written expresses what I mean perfectly. I only expect you to understand what I have written, but it would appear you are having trouble doing so. Thats ok. when you get to the fourth grade youll be better at reading comprehension, surur. There, there.
    06-24-2007 05:55 PM
  21. treobk214's Avatar
    Thats all fine and dandy, but I believe it was treobk214 who claimed the ultimate superiority of the IPhone. Will he now concede its just the thinnest device around, (not even the smallest) but otherwise roundly beaten on features?

    Surur
    You show me WHERE exactly i said that the iphone was superior. Wow, youve got issues, surur! Im not kidding. I think you have this obsession with projecting that onto anyone who has even the mildest interest in the iphone. There`s nothing wrong with getting "checked out" for obsessive tendencies you know.
    06-24-2007 05:58 PM
  22. treobk214's Avatar
    Thats all fine and dandy, but I believe it was treobk214 who claimed the ultimate superiority of the IPhone. Will he now concede its just the thinnest device around, (not even the smallest) but otherwise roundly beaten on features?

    Surur
    Does it have a virtual keyboard?
    06-24-2007 06:00 PM
  23. surur's Avatar
    You show me WHERE exactly i said that the iphone was superior.
    For all the apple haters, show me something microsoft has done which trumps the iphone.
    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:01 PM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Does it have a virtual keyboard?
    Of course it does.

    Surur
    06-24-2007 06:01 PM
  25. bruckwine's Avatar
    Now we're getting there! Advantage is a very powerful device, no doubt. It's also absolutely massive. 359 g! It's not really the same sort of device as an iPhone at all.

    Kaiser is more comparable. Still larger and heavier (160 g) though. Also has a screen half the resolution of an iPhone and, as does the Advantage, lacks the UI and hardware aesthetics (which I personally think are very much better). Also lacks iTunes integration and GBs of integrated storage.

    That's not to say that the iPhone is better than the Kaiser or Advantage in every single way. Each of the three has its, ahem, advantages. But to my mind there is no single WM device that's better than the iPhone in all ways and there are probably no current WM phones that are bested by the iPhone in every department either. It's about the blend of what devices can do and how well they do those things. Silly to think otherwise really.
    Once again it depends on who you are...in my case for example having a phone screen 2.5" or 3-3.5" makes no difference...my home laptop is 14" my work screen is 20"...3.5 inches doesn't do much more for me if I want to call someone or surf the internet. When I want to do serious stuff I go to the REAL computers.

    The iTunes integration is a no-brainer - i don't use that software except on acs because it alrady is integrated..other wise I use better sotware. Thata may be a plus for ppl hooked on iPods, but for those who aren't 9esp if you download rather than buy music) it's a nonissue.

    Integrated storage is nice now..but it limits the machine. if you ever want more than 8 GB you MUSt buy a new iPhone whilein my case 16 GB SDHC cards will be available soon and I can get 8 GB right now for less than $100..so add that to the $399 for a treo 680 which comes iwth a 1 GB card and it's the same as a 4GB iPhone (but of course no multitouch).

    If you focus on the UI then fine - that's your bag on what makes a good phone. I like nice GUIs but after a week you even forget that they're even there,much less nice and it's about function (at least that's how it is with OS X Tiger and Vista for me).

    Hardware aesthetics is subjective as I think curved devices fit my hand better than square ones (e.g. BB curve, treos which curve to the back, better fitting the shape of my irregular cupping palm)

    Off topic(?) someone mentioned a good point about the "real internet" keynote comment. There is a reason other phones have not gone the "full" internet road - pl on the road want quick news akin to RSS not fullvblown pages to scroll through while grabbing a cup of coffee on the way to work. Mobile sites are best for mobile uses imo.
    06-24-2007 06:03 PM
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