1. skyking517's Avatar
    Hello All,

    I just got done watching the new demo video and I must say I was rather impressed. I am loyal 750 user, but I really want to touch an iphone and see for myself if it as easy to use as the video shows. Most important is the keyboard use. Is anyone else raising an eye brow here, or is it just me??

    Tim
    06-22-2007 06:40 PM
  2. Certs's Avatar
    Go read the madness that is the iphone forum..
    06-22-2007 07:13 PM
  3. skyking517's Avatar
    I did, but it did not answer my questions when it comes to us 750 users...Nice little story and all, but I want to hear from other 750 users.
    06-22-2007 07:27 PM
  4. maevro's Avatar
    Go read the madness that is the iphone forum..
    I agree, it is all madness. You think the video on the iPhone is that smooth and they can load and watch youtube videos with no loading time? You think they can browse the internet with no page load on EDGE?

    It is all theatrical for the iSheep. I do like how thin they were able to get the iPhone and hope you start to see PPCs that are comparable.

    Edit: I am a 750 user and now you have heard from me.
    06-22-2007 07:28 PM
  5. fkpalm's Avatar
    I must say i have the itch but when i stop and start to think about every thing i do on my 750 like tom tom and sling player i say to myself i must be nuts. will not be able to use a nav or sling on the i phone as it is now maybe in the future

    Fred
    06-22-2007 07:37 PM
  6. ronbo2000's Avatar
    The demo did not say specifically how the YouTube videos are stream to the phone (wifi or EDGE).
    06-22-2007 07:38 PM
  7. Certs's Avatar
    Maevro understood me. I was just as much implying that the forum is madness as I was recommending you to read it...

    It's probably a download-then-watch system, or at least that's an option. They also mention a new compression method that gives superior quality and lower bandwith, so who knows.

    I will probably buy one and try it. I am a phone freak. I have 30 days to return it anyway, so me buying it really doesn't say much. The lack of slingbox will probably make me return it, we'll see.
    06-22-2007 07:38 PM
  8. skyking517's Avatar
    I totally understand....I am not sold at all on the iphone, but I for sure want to check one out at the local store. I love my 750, I am also sure that Telenav will have something up and running for the iphone soon.
    06-22-2007 07:46 PM
  9. aetherion's Avatar
    (coming from an owner of a T650, 700wx, and 750)

    I had a weird experience watching the video:
    In the first few minutes of the video, I really wanted an iPhone.
    By the end, I didn't want one.

    There's no question that the interactions with the phone were simple and beautifully executed. What surprised me most was how much touching is required to perform simple tasks. This is especially surprising coming from Apple, of all companies.

    Look at each of the tasks, and see how many touches (or "clicks" in the PC world) it takes to do very simple things.

    All after you unlock the phone...
    Dial a phone number: 2 touches (launch phone app, select Dial Pad, then dial)
    Call a contact: multiple touches (launch phone app, flick to contact, choose contact, choose number)
    Write an email with punctuation or numbers: constantly toggle between a numbers-only keyboard and a letters keyboard.

    As compared to a device with dedicated keys and soft-keys, it takes a TON of user interaction on the iPhone to do relatively simple tasks. And kiss 1-handed operation goodbye, until they go and add something like voice recognition.
    06-22-2007 07:58 PM
  10. skyking517's Avatar
    (coming from an owner of a T650, 700wx, and 750)

    I had a weird experience watching the video:
    In the first few minutes of the video, I really wanted an iPhone.
    By the end, I didn't want one.

    There's no question that the interactions with the phone were simple and beautifully executed. What surprised me most was how much touching is required to perform simple tasks. This is especially surprising coming from Apple, of all companies.

    Look at each of the tasks, and see how many touches (or "clicks" in the PC world) it takes to do very simple things.

    All after you unlock the phone...
    Dial a phone number: 2 touches (launch phone app, select Dial Pad, then dial)
    Call a contact: multiple touches (launch phone app, flick to contact, choose contact, choose number)
    Write an email with punctuation or numbers: constantly toggle between a numbers-only keyboard and a letters keyboard.

    As compared to a device with dedicated keys and soft-keys, it takes a TON of user interaction on the iPhone to do relatively simple tasks. And kiss 1-handed operation goodbye, until they go and add something like voice recognition.

    Good points
    06-22-2007 08:00 PM
  11. seaflipper's Avatar
    The iPhone is not a business phone, plain and simple. It can't compete with any of the Treo line or Blackberry for true enterprise level functionality. In that regard I don't think any comparison is needed - it's just not the same.

    That being said, it sure is a cool device, it would be fun to have and play with but in the end it's not going to be the device I need to use for work on a day in and day out basis
    06-22-2007 08:13 PM
  12. mikec#IM's Avatar
    To me, one handed use key...the iPhone seems to require two hands to do most things.

    Unless you can use it one handed easily and they aren't showing that.
    06-22-2007 10:36 PM
  13. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I just bought a Blackjack and I'm a 750 owner also. I guess I need functionality more than coolness at this point. The QWERTY keyboard has already come in handy! Plus I didn't have to beg ATT for a contract renewal since the Blackjack is more open to just accepting SIM cards.

    I will probably still play with one in the store. I just am torn about contract requirements and price. Even the 750 is now lower than the iPhone!!
    06-22-2007 11:15 PM
  14. PalmFive's Avatar
    I think the comments here are right on.

    It's a way cool, slick device. But it's not for business. My Treo doesn't look as good, but it's got more stuff I need, that's for sure.

    I also liked the comments about the "iSheep". funny. I know better, browsing will not be that fast. It's on AT&T, it'll be slooooooooooow. YouTube? It's not for me, I don't care about it.

    I ski a lot. I wonder how it'll do in the cold? On the chair lift, you'd have to take your gloves off to use it?? Brrrr. I can keep my gloves on while using my Treo.

    As I watched the video, I was thinking, "Hmm. It's not good for business, so who really is the customer for a 600 dollar phone"?

    You can't use the phone as a modem, no removeable battery, it's missing other key stuff I've come to rely on since my first Palm.

    It looks cool and all that, you bet. But it's not for me, not yet anyway. Now I just hope Palm one ups them.
    06-22-2007 11:21 PM
  15. braj's Avatar
    You can't use it as a modem?
    06-22-2007 11:57 PM
  16. treobk214's Avatar
    You think isheep are bad? I'd say Palm sheep are in a league ALL THEIR OWN.
    06-23-2007 12:04 AM
  17. braj's Avatar
    You think isheep are bad? I'd say Palm sheep are in a league ALL THEIR OWN.
    Yeah, iSheep at least have something to Baa about
    06-23-2007 12:06 AM
  18. treobk214's Avatar
    LOL. You're right It's been years since anything from palm wowed the masses like this. My treo looks like old palm visor technology compared to the iphone's innovative user interface.
    Fresh new feel vs tired old same ole.

    I think it was extremely wise for apple to release a public demo (tutorial) like this prior to the phone's release. Palm should have done the same with their earlier treos to have helped in introducing it to the market. I can see colligan watching that and saying, " dammit, that was a good idea. "
    06-23-2007 12:20 AM
  19. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Palm is confused as to what good ideas are. Anything last year is a good idea to them, it always seems.
    06-23-2007 01:14 AM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    ^^ bingo! snoop around the forums....more and more "do i need a treo?", "goodbye Treo/Palm" or "i've made the switch to a Blackberry" threads are popping up......why i wonder

    as for being able to use a Treo with ski gloves on, how couldn't you? it's so freakin big!
    06-23-2007 09:55 AM
  21. llarson's Avatar
    The iPhone is not a business phone, plain and simple. It can't compete with any of the Treo line or Blackberry for true enterprise level functionality. In that regard I don't think any comparison is needed - it's just not the same.

    That being said, it sure is a cool device, it would be fun to have and play with but in the end it's not going to be the device I need to use for work on a day in and day out basis
    just curious what do you do that makes the iPHONE a non starter? I have never understood why getting your email by POP or IMAP is a bad thing.

    I get about 100 emails a day with large attachments and I currently use Snappermail on my 755p.

    What else is a non starter for business people?
    06-23-2007 04:15 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    just curious what do you do that makes the iPHONE a non starter? I have never understood why getting your email by POP or IMAP is a bad thing.

    I get about 100 emails a day with large attachments and I currently use Snappermail on my 755p.

    What else is a non starter for business people?
    There are better ways. To give you a trivial example - I was fiddling with the pictures in the contacts in outlook, and a few minutes later all the changes were cascaded down to my two windows mobile phones, to use in the picture dialing app.

    Less trivially, this would of course apply to a change in phone numbers made by your secretary.

    Surur
    06-23-2007 04:19 PM
  23. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Less trivially, this would of course apply to a change in phone numbers made by your secretary.
    Or the constant changes made to my calendar every day - which are briskly and automatically forwarded to my phone.
    06-23-2007 04:24 PM
  24. robbrick's Avatar
    just curious what do you do that makes the iPHONE a non starter? I have never understood why getting your email by POP or IMAP is a bad thing.

    I get about 100 emails a day with large attachments and I currently use Snappermail on my 755p.

    What else is a non starter for business people?
    I don't think getting email by POP or IMAP is bad, but most businesses rely on an Exchange Server to PUSH calendar, contacts, etc. to the mobile devices. I use this and would not like to go back to having to run to my desk to sync my phone with my desktop each time I need to make a change to one device. If Apple would have included EAS into the iPhone, it could have had a larger impact with people using them for their main business phone. I, for one, don't like to carry 2 devices and my BB Curve does what I need it to do for work - I can live without YouTube on my phone.
    06-23-2007 04:34 PM
  25. oalvarez's Avatar
    you mean you don't watch slingbox on your little screen all day long while you have nothing to do? some say "slingbox is where it's at." sounds like something a child would say. you know, with their love for television and the like...
    06-23-2007 06:04 PM
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