1. llarson's Avatar
    I don't think getting email by POP or IMAP is bad, but most businesses rely on an Exchange Server to PUSH calendar, contacts, etc. to the mobile devices. I use this and would not like to go back to having to run to my desk to sync my phone with my desktop each time I need to make a change to one device. If Apple would have included EAS into the iPhone, it could have had a larger impact with people using them for their main business phone. I, for one, don't like to carry 2 devices and my BB Curve does what I need it to do for work - I can live without YouTube on my phone.
    I see what you mean but if you are part of a small business, 10-15 people and you don't run Exchange I guess the iPHONE is okay.

    Most of th people in my firm email calendar dates and contacts.

    So I guess it is a difference of a BIG business and small business scenario.
    06-23-2007 06:09 PM
  2. Malatesta's Avatar
    sounds like something a child would say. you know, with their love for television and the like...
    lol, unlike...
    ewww that doesn't sound like a feature


    C'mon, Slingbox is pretty cool on a Treo and is great when on the train or the doctor's office. Personally, I love getting a CNN breaking news alert, and if worth (rarely, lol) I can just throw on CNN. I think that's pretty darn cool, but alas, no way for the carriers or Apple to make money off a revenue stream.
    06-23-2007 06:09 PM
  3. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Obviously you have never used a Slingbox...I control my content delivery.

    It may sound "like a child", but remember all this gadget stuff being out the child in everyone.
    06-23-2007 06:15 PM
  4. Certs's Avatar
    I can't believe people would try to underestimate the value of the almighty slingbox. Small screen or not, if I am out and about and realize I'm going to miss a show/sporting event, I can just dial it up, set my dvr, and not worry about it. Or I can watch it, if conditions permit.

    Or are you trying to judge value by how often its used? Irrelevant. If I use it once a month, then that's once a month that I would say to myself "I wish I had my PPC with me," whereas I will never see a situation that makes me say "man, I wish I had the iPhone with me." Is that value enough?
    06-23-2007 06:25 PM
  5. oalvarez's Avatar
    wow guys! c'mon....seems like you misinterpreted what i wrote, or maybe even took it out of context...
    06-23-2007 06:51 PM
  6. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    wow guys! c'mon....seems like you misinterpreted what i wrote, or maybe even took it out of context...
    I think we all caught your gist pretty well. Without Slingbox, I wouldn't get to watch the morning news channels during my 45 minute slog through DC's traffic.
    06-23-2007 09:39 PM
  7. braj's Avatar
    I think we all caught your gist pretty well. Without Slingbox, I wouldn't get to watch the morning news channels during my 45 minute slog through DC's traffic.
    Watching news on your business commute in DC sure sounds childish to me.
    06-23-2007 09:48 PM
  8. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Watching news on your business commute in DC sure sounds childish to me.
    No - but some of the gestures I make to the "less gifted" drivers I encounter might be considered so.
    06-23-2007 10:49 PM
  9. robbrick's Avatar
    i think it would be dangerous to drive and watch tv, dont you?
    06-23-2007 11:35 PM
  10. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    i think it would be dangerous to drive and watch tv, dont you?
    Yes. But it's not dangerous to be stopped on a highway in bumper-to-bumper traffic looking at the screen - and it seems to be perfectly safe to listen to CNN/FAUX/MSNBC while moving. Besides - it's not always my turn to drive.
    06-23-2007 11:38 PM
  11. robbrick's Avatar
    Yes. But it's not dangerous to be stopped on a highway in bumper-to-bumper traffic looking at the screen - and it seems to be perfectly safe to listen to CNN/FAUX/MSNBC while moving. Besides - it's not always my turn to drive.
    haha, true! except, i know that i would forget to look up when my time to drive came. haha. i guess the traffic where you are makes LA traffic look like nothing. at least i'm always moving a little here.
    06-23-2007 11:40 PM
  12. bruckwine's Avatar
    i think it would be dangerous to drive and watch tv, dont you?
    What'll be dangerous is stroking that nice glossy( or greasy) glass iPhone, holding it in one hand and flicking with the other. Wait! I guess it may not be so bad after if it can stop ppl chatting on the phone and driving!
    06-23-2007 11:53 PM
  13. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    haha, true! except, i know that i would forget to look up when my time to drive came. haha. i guess the traffic where you are makes LA traffic look like nothing. at least i'm always moving a little here.
    According to this report You're still #1, Frisco is #2 and we're #3. I think the difference is, we're more tightly packed with fewer and smaller roads, so the distance we drive is shorter, but the actual traffic stops are longer. In any case, whether sunny So. Cal. or the Potomac Playground, it sucks. ...but less so with a TV playing!
    06-23-2007 11:56 PM
  14. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    What'll be dangerous is stroking that nice glossy( or greasy) glass iPhone, holding it in one hand and flicking with the other. Wait! I guess it may not be so bad after if it can stop ppl chatting on the phone and driving!
    They could always keep on hand on the steering wheel and scroll using their tongue! Knowing people might be doing that would sure prevent me from borrowing someone's iPhone!!
    06-23-2007 11:58 PM
  15. seaflipper's Avatar
    just curious what do you do that makes the iPHONE a non starter? I have never understood why getting your email by POP or IMAP is a bad thing.

    I get about 100 emails a day with large attachments and I currently use Snappermail on my 755p.

    What else is a non starter for business people?
    Exchange is a pretty big reason, or BB service - the always on connection to my email, calendar, contacts and tasks is a big deal. Being able to accept meeting requests, make meeting requests all in the context of MS Exchange is very important for many business users. Push is more than just email and attachments - it's the entire package you get with it. Sure it's not perfect but it really is invaluable if you use exchange.

    Additionally, the lack of a physical keyboard is going to kill the iPhone for business. No touch screen keyboard that I have ever used was good enough to use for very long. The iPhone simply has no chance to compete with any of the BB's, Treo's or other WM phones with keyboards - fingers on a totally flat LCD surface don't get any tactile feedback like you do with physical keys. People may be drawn to the iPhone because of it's sexy, sleek look but after anyone trys to use this thing for actually sending emails or SMS you are going to see all kinds of complaints from people who thought they could use it as a business phone.

    I do think the iPhone will sell very well - it certainly is a huge step up from a standard phone, most users will find the keyboard a useful tool compared to t9, iTap etc - but for most business users it's not going to cut it.
    06-24-2007 12:03 AM
  16. GaryFL1's Avatar
    You guys should keep in mind another trend: there are many business users that are tired of the BB/Goodlink connected syndrome. I've been a Blackberry user for years, and over the last 2, I've been a Treo 700/Goodlink user. Sure, I love the Treo, love being connected, the instant gratification of always seeing email/celendar in real time, love my Slingplayer Mobile, OneNote mobile, eWallet, etc. I'm in high-tech sales and work partially from home as well as travel a bit. I'm not a Doctor or an Agent whose next big deal depends on a certain level of being connected (I understand there are those who chose a career path of "always on"). I am always online though - including at night, on weekends, on vacation with the family, etc. Its part of the dark & ugly side of being so attached to email - the "crackberry" syndrome. Everyone knows that I respond instantly regardless of where I am or what time it is. I've set expectations too high. It's eating into my personal & family time and I'm over it. I've made the decision that I'm cutting the cord to the business world via push email, and keeping my access strictly on my laptop when at home office or hotel. I'm going over to the iPhone. If I absolutely need to connect to email when traveling (before getting to my hotel), I can either get a Sierra card, or I would imagine that I could hit OWA from the Safari browser in iPhone in a pinch.

    I like the idea of integrating my phone in a beautiful UI (it's about time somebody brought some innovation to the phone UI!!) along with my music (wont have to carry my iPod also) photos, videos and podcasts, web. These are things that will supplement my business use (phone & web mainly), entertain me when I have downtime (on a plane, airport, hotel, home) yet not have me constantly tethered when I'm off work (something a work-at-home person always struggles with, for those of you who dont know).

    As far as the things I'll give up - some are sacrifices, some are not (i.e. no Slingplayer, but I'll have so much content on the iPhone, I wont care). Overall, for me, the psoitives far outweigh the negatives.

    I totally understand that there are those that disagree with this logic and want to be connected all the time. There are the Apple haters that will try to defend BB and WM at all costs and say that the iPhone has no reason to be in the hands of a business user. There are those that will try to position the iPhone as the solution to everything. Just know that there are different users with different needs. The iPhone is an incredible device for a business or a non-business user - just depending on what they expect from the device...
    06-26-2007 02:44 PM
  17. volwrath's Avatar

    I do think the iPhone will sell very well - it certainly is a huge step up from a standard phone, most users will find the keyboard a useful tool compared to t9, iTap etc - but for most business users it's not going to cut it.
    I think it will sell well, but will see a high amount of return, as well as people returning to their razrs so they can type an sms message at a halfway decent speed.

    I feel for those that port to Cingular because of this phone....
    06-26-2007 02:49 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    You know (AFAIK) the IPhone has no tethering.

    Surur
    06-26-2007 02:49 PM
  19. volwrath's Avatar
    The iPhone is an incredible device for a business or a non-business user - just depending on what they expect from the device...
    How do you know this yet?
    06-26-2007 02:50 PM
  20. GaryFL1's Avatar
    How do you know this yet?
    As mentioned...just depends on what they expect. If they expect a rich push email experience like BB or WM/GL - no good. As business user wanting a phone, browser & media device - I have no doubt it wont dissapoint.
    06-26-2007 02:57 PM
  21. volwrath's Avatar
    As mentioned...just depends on what they expect. If they expect a rich push email experience like BB or WM/GL - no good. As business user wanting a phone, browser & media device - I have no doubt it wont dissapoint.
    I do, I imagine alot of people are going to be disappointed...business users generally want a PIM application. That keyboard is going to be horrid to type into Im afraid. Browser - 2G..why would anyone want slower data + as surer said earlier, no tethering (not that I would want to get around my company's firewall at work *ahem*. Media - Looks to be a slick interface, but can't play nearly as many file formats as a WM phone.. not to mention streaming audio, + its locked down.

    I will say this tho, the interfact looks great. If Apple can make such a beautiful phone, its pitiful that Microsoft and its legions can't.
    06-26-2007 03:39 PM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    I do, I imagine alot of people are going to be disappointed...business users generally want a PIM application. That keyboard is going to be horrid to type into Im afraid. Browser - 2G..why would anyone want slower data + as surer said earlier, no tethering (not that I would want to get around my company's firewall at work *ahem*. Media - Looks to be a slick interface, but can't play nearly as many file formats as a WM phone.. not to mention streaming audio, + its locked down.

    I will say this tho, the interfact looks great. If Apple can make such a beautiful phone, its pitiful that Microsoft and its legions can't.
    those business users who want all of what you say will not be buying this phone.
    06-26-2007 03:58 PM
  23. GaryFL1's Avatar
    those business users who want all of what you say will not be buying this phone.
    My point exactly. Thank you...
    06-26-2007 04:22 PM
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