1. dutchtrumpet's Avatar
    And you can view Excel, Word and PDF email attachments.

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
    06-22-2007 01:05 PM
  2. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    View office documents! Gee, how exciting. As much as anything, that lack of ability to edit these documents demonstrates Apple's focus on the consumer, rather than the business, user.

    Not saying it's good or bad, but it sure doesn't look like a replacement for a Treo to me.
    06-22-2007 01:18 PM
  3. braj's Avatar
    It's better than nothing.

    One thing I would hope you could do at least would be to copy text from an office doc. Otherwise it may be near worthless in a lot of situations.
    06-22-2007 01:19 PM
  4. braj's Avatar
    I haven't seen the docs part of the video, but that guy reminds me of Stephen Colbert.
    06-22-2007 01:35 PM
  5. oalvarez's Avatar
    some business users still don't need to edit documents...just have access to them for reading purposes...edit when you get back to the hotel room/office.

    really isn't that big of a deal...again, go out into the real world (outside of this place) and ask around....see for yourselves how many actually have to be able to "edit" their documents/spreadsheets.

    regards
    06-22-2007 01:38 PM
  6. braj's Avatar
    ok, saw the docs demo, if you can call it that. It was 2 seconds maybe? I like that you can do the pinch zoom, but it looks like it views docs like you would view a PDF: it doesn't zoom the text size but zooms the document view size, so I don't think docs will be particularly readable. Anyhow, hopefully they come up with a better system by v2.
    06-22-2007 01:40 PM
  7. Certs's Avatar
    some business users still don't need to edit documents...just have access to them for reading purposes...edit when you get back to the hotel room/office.

    really isn't that big of a deal...again, go out into the real world (outside of this place) and ask around....see for yourselves how many actually have to be able to "edit" their documents/spreadsheets.

    regards
    This topic again??? Geez

    I'm sure most that need this functionality don't post here anyway, so who knows
    06-22-2007 01:41 PM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    i didn't raise it! just commented on it!

    hi!
    06-22-2007 01:43 PM
  9. Certs's Avatar
    LOL. I love this forum, and hope the iPhone never gets released
    06-22-2007 01:44 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    some business users still don't need to edit documents...just have access to them for reading purposes...edit when you get back to the hotel room/office.

    really isn't that big of a deal...again, go out into the real world (outside of this place) and ask around....see for yourselves how many actually have to be able to "edit" their documents/spreadsheets.

    regards
    I live in the real world of Excel documents and Word. What business are you in? I may need to make some change to a doc, or to grab info out of a doc and paste into a memo etc. The fact is I don't know what I need until I need it and having the flexibility to edit is a huge +.

    Why don't you just admit when there is a shortcoming to the iPhone? You are as bad as surur just on the other side of the coin. This is a big flaw for me, one that would make me thing twice about going for any length of time without a laptop. I want my phone to fill the gap in a pinch so I can leave the laptop at my desk, in the office, or off the plane. It doesn't have to be the best platform for doc editing but it does have to at least be able to interact with the document beyond PDF-esq viewing.
    06-22-2007 01:46 PM
  11. oalvarez's Avatar
    iphone, treo, whatever....i don't think the non-ability to edit a doc or spreadsheet is a deal-killer for the general public or some business users. to you it is. the short-coming of the iPhone for the business user is going to be its email capability (or lack thereof), not its lack of doc editing. that's my opinion.
    06-22-2007 02:00 PM
  12. zrs70's Avatar
    Four things I didn't see on the video:

    1) in the phone, the ability to dial the "+" symbol (for international dialing)

    2) THE CALENDAR!!!!!!!! The was nothing about how ical works on this. I really want to know about adding stuff onto the device.

    3) Syncing. I'd love to know how the syncing will initiate.

    4) When the phone is syncing, or attached to the power cord, will the phone be usable?
    06-22-2007 02:11 PM
  13. braj's Avatar
    iphone, treo, whatever....i don't think the non-ability to edit a doc or spreadsheet is a deal-killer for the general public or some business users. to you it is. the short-coming of the iPhone for the business user is going to be its email capability (or lack thereof), not its lack of doc editing. that's my opinion.
    I agree email will be a bigger issue but don't discount Docs to Go and MS Office for WM, they are big Smartphone sellers.

    I took issue with your contention that business users don't care about this. As a business user, I can tell you we do.

    But anyway, AT&T/Apple look to be aiming for the feature phone market, not the smartphone market, people who haven't gotten videos, email, or the web on their phones before, or have done so on far lesser devices. Maybe they will be ready for business users with v2. By then hopefully it is more of a complete business solution. If Palm doesn't pull their head out their behinds I'll definitely switch over.
    06-22-2007 02:12 PM
  14. oalvarez's Avatar

    I took issue with your contention that business users don't care about this. As a business user, I can tell you we do.
    no, "you" do. i am a business person and use my blackberry (used to be Treos until i had an option not to carry a brick on my person no longer) for business purposes. you need to edit docs, i don't.

    :o and all of those other stupid icons and the like!
    06-22-2007 02:26 PM
  15. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Nice demo.

    But a couple things..."fastest keyboard on any phone"...um faster than a treo or BB? Doubtful. (But I would love to be proven wrong).

    I like how they give tell you to look at your phone while driving.... Opps!
    06-22-2007 02:41 PM
  16. AirData's Avatar
    Why is it always 9:42 AM on video?
    06-22-2007 02:44 PM
  17. mikec#IM's Avatar
    Why is it always 9:42 AM on video?

    Because it's a fake demo.
    06-22-2007 02:52 PM
  18. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Thanks Dutch; cause of you I had to eat crow elsewhere.
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...=145913&page=3

    But needless to say, they've done a good job with the strip tease so far. Jobs drops the big one, then others mop up with
    • longer battery
    • glass screen
    • doc/xls/pdf viewer
    • threaded SMS
    By this time next week, they'll be announcing it can slice a ripe tomato without any juice hitting the counter...
    06-22-2007 02:58 PM
  19. surur's Avatar
    Threaded SMS was shown from the beginning BTW.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 03:02 PM
  20. dutchtrumpet's Avatar
    Thanks Dutch; cause of you I had to eat crow elsewhere.
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...=145913&page=3

    But needless to say, they've done a good job with the strip tease so far. Jobs drops the big one, then others mop up with
    • longer battery
    • glass screen
    • doc/xls/pdf viewer
    • threaded SMS
    By this time next week, they'll be announcing it can slice a ripe tomato without any juice hitting the counter...

    Crow is good fixed right
    06-22-2007 03:06 PM
  21. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Threaded SMS was shown from the beginning BTW.

    Surur
    But I've seen complainers here and elsewhere questioning text messaging, so I guess I mistakenly equated the two...man, I'm losing it...
    06-22-2007 03:09 PM
  22. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Crow is good fixed right
    With some fava beans and a nice chianti?
    06-22-2007 03:11 PM
  23. theafricannerd's Avatar
    Is it me or does this video have you asking "WTF have Palm engineers being doing all these years?
    06-22-2007 03:18 PM
  24. dutchtrumpet's Avatar
    Is it me or does this video have you asking "WTF have Palm engineers being doing all these years?
    something to that effect.
    06-22-2007 03:19 PM
  25. braj's Avatar
    Yep, Palm is one big crackhouse.
    06-22-2007 03:22 PM
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