Kupe#WP
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I'm forced to agree with you on this one.so I guess my information is null then, huh?
I'm forced to agree with you on this one.so I guess my information is null then, huh?
I'm forced to agree with you on this one.
You dismissing the other 5 issues that I wrote about.By your own description you have just declared the Moto Q's keypad the best keyboard ever.
That is not true. Your thumb most certainly does cover up and obscure your view of the keys as you type.Its keyboard is not at the bottom, thumb doesn't cover 5 keys,
Are you telling me you can rely on these "nipples" so that you can keep typing without being slowed down and without looking at the keyboard?small "nipples" on D(5) and J key (for tactile, non-visual orientation),
Can you elaborate on this visual feedback you speak of? I am quite aware of this Moto phone and it has no visual feedback that I have seen.tactile feedback, aural feedback (if desired), visual feedback (if needed).
These sorts of comment that are directed at me are exactly what causes me to think of TreoCentral users as completely disconnected from the real world and truly uninformed.I personally feel the Moto Q is far from the best keyboard around, but using your criteria I guess it is. That you somehow think the iPhone's "keyboard" is just proof you haven't used the Q's.
These sorts of comment that are directed at me are exactly what causes me to think of TreoCentral users as completely disconnected from the real world and truly uninformed.
You are ignoring one of my main points (others as well), you still have to look at the keyboard as you type. Tactile feedback is important but in the case of small keyboards as those we find on a small handheld, this visual feedback process that i described is MORE important. To sit at a desk and type on large keys is one thing (here you can type without looking at the keyboard because it is of a different design and scale - a human being can quickly gain orientation by position and touch), to hold a miniature keyboard in the palm of your hand is something else and this something else has other rules which have not been fully discovered yet - well, that is until Apple performed the research to discover what works.Braj - Hahahahhahaha
Archie,
Nice try, but no banana.
Tactile feedback is important...it actually requires one sense. Visual requires two senses - tough and sight.
Most prefer tactile response.
Yup!So you are saying not only will typing be better (more accurate) and faster, but one handed operation will be better as well?
There's more than one RDF here at TreoCentral. :evil:Its not his fault he swallows everything which Jobs spews out.
Surur
Why not - they are equally false.You dismissing the other 5 issues that I wrote about.
Are you daft? Of course it covers up the key I'm punching and the keys below it - like on your desktop's keyboard - like on your iPhone. It does not, however, obscure the key next to my thumb(s) or beyond that.That is not true. Your thumb most certainly does cover up and obscure your view of the keys as you type.
Of course. It's how I dial, one-handed, without looking at the phone. Clearly you've never used something like this. Doesn't your desktop keyboard have a raised bit on your J and F keys? All 7 of the keyboards I just checked here in my house do - Even the crappy keyboard on my UX-380N and the Think Outside BT keyboard I use with it. Are you saying you can't figure out how to place your fingers on the home row of a keyboard without looking or are you saying you don't know how to type?Are you telling me you can rely on these "nipples" so that you can keep typing without being slowed down and without looking at the keyboard?
Umm - sure - it's really very complex: I look at the screen and observe the letters I'm typing on the keyboard are neatly flowing into the application I'm typing into. Is there some sort of better visual feedback than direct visual feedback? :shake: I'd like to modify my earlier comment - you've actually never used an electronic device before, have you? Is your mom reading and replying to these threads for you?Can you elaborate on this visual feedback you speak of? I am quite aware of this Moto phone and it has no visual feedback that I have seen.
Again, with a single statement, you impeach all other points you attempt to make. How does it feel to be on the baby seal end of the club?These sorts of comment that are directed at me are exactly what causes me to think of TreoCentral users as completely disconnected from the real world and truly uninformed.
Tactile feedback is simple a must for anything but the most casual finger-pointing form of typing. Sounds like the iPhone keyboard may not be the miracle machine you've been describing here, does it?Engadget said:- The keyboard was simply described as "disappointing". Keyboarding with two thumbs often registers multiple key presses (two or three at a time) resulting in a lot of mistakes. The best way to type is with a single finger (as shown in most of Apple's demos), but two thumbs is supposedly very difficult. After trying it for a number of days our source gave up using their thumbs.
- The text auto-correction only works well for simple words, but doesn't work for proper names. We can only assume this bit will get better with time as Apple fills out its predictive text dictionary.
- "It won't replace a BlackBerry. It's not good for text input. It's just not a business product."
- The touchscreen was said to, in general, require somewhat hard presses to register input, and needs some getting used to.
Users must scroll through the address book (or use the alphabet-drag on the side) -- one cannot bring up the keyboard and type in a name, as many of us are used to.
Here is a fact for you: you CAN "simply type a few characters of the name in the address box" on the iPhone. I am not sure why you say that a person cannot do this.
Archie - here's some new information from people who have already seen, touched, and used an iPhone - check out this article where they post:
Tactile feedback is simple a must for anything but the most casual finger-pointing form of typing. Sounds like the iPhone keyboard may not be the miracle machine you've been describing here, does it?
Looks like MS thinks the same way...What all smartphones need is speech to text.
This surprised me:
It seems to contradict this statement from Archie, unless he meant just email, which I think he did:
lol, I was surprised that Apple didn't implement the feature, not so much that Archie was wrong in assuming they of course, wouldWhy are you surprised that something Archie says is not accurate. I would actually be surprised by the opposite.
Surur
It was a sweet video. I'm wondering how long till the full screen video iPod is out? Nov and Christmas?Wow, I just saw that presentation demo and iPhone really looks great. Its a real upgrade for my iPod.
I just don't like AT&T.
You are ignoring one of my main points (others as well), you still have to look at the keyboard as you type. Tactile feedback is important but in the case of small keyboards as those we find on a small handheld, this visual feedback process that i described is MORE important. To sit at a desk and type on large keys is one thing (here you can type without looking at the keyboard because it is of a different design and scale - a human being can quickly gain orientation by position and touch), to hold a miniature keyboard in the palm of your hand is something else and this something else has other rules which have not been fully discovered yet - well, that is until Apple performed the research to discover what works.
My money's on no - Archie's never used a mobile QWERTY keyboard. He probably doesn't even know how to spell q w e r t y.Have you EVER used a mobile QWERTY keyboard ?!
I can assure you this is a bogus report. these things are all false and I can point out 5 things in this list that are tell-tale signs this person has never used the phone.Archie - here's some new information from people who have already seen, touched, and used an iPhone - check out this article where they post:
Engadget said:- The keyboard was simply described as "disappointing". Keyboarding with two thumbs often registers multiple key presses (two or three at a time) resulting in a lot of mistakes. The best way to type is with a single finger (as shown in most of Apple's demos), but two thumbs is supposedly very difficult. After trying it for a number of days our source gave up using their thumbs.
- The text auto-correction only works well for simple words, but doesn't work for proper names. We can only assume this bit will get better with time as Apple fills out its predictive text dictionary.
- "It won't replace a BlackBerry. It's not good for text input. It's just not a business product."
- The touchscreen was said to, in general, require somewhat hard presses to register input, and needs some getting used to.
Tactile feedback is simple a must for anything but the most casual finger-pointing form of typing. Sounds like the iPhone keyboard may not be the miracle machine you've been describing here, does it?
...quotes a list of 4 things
I can assure you this is a bogus report. these things are all false and I can point out 5 things in this list that are tell-tale signs this person has never used the phone.
What are they?I can assure you this is a bogus report. these things are all false and I can point out 5 things in this list that are tell-tale signs this person has never used the phone.
Why is it I don't feel assured?I can assure you this is a bogus report. these things are all false and I can point out 5 things in this list that are tell-tale signs this person has never used the phone.