1. braj's Avatar
    I cant see it, as it wants me to install quicktime, and I'd rather not have that resource hog on my computer.

    Surur
    You're running Windows right? And you have a problem with Quicktime?
    06-20-2007 05:02 PM
  2. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Here's Apple's demo of YouTube on iPhone:

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/internet/?feature=feature05

    Plays full-screen, which is nice, and I presume means they've upped the resolution (usually 320 x 240?)
    I noticed that the demo was prepared with the video already pre-loaded (look at the blue portion of the onscreen control). Will be VERY interesting to see how YouTube crawls out of an EDGE connection. My bet is the first person who uses one on the EDGE network and tries to scroll the New York Times home page like Jobs did in his demo will either (a) pull out all their hair, (b) throw the thing up against the wall in frustration, or (c) both. Even on a good EDGE connection, the internet on the Blackjack (at 70-120k) crawls by comparison. The difference when I'm on HSDPA is astounding.
    06-20-2007 05:15 PM
  3. braj's Avatar
    Yeah, they HAVE to get 3G for this thing if anyone wants YouTube away from a Wifi connection. Still, it does have Wifi at least.

    The Safari demo looks really nice, and I envy iPhone users for being able to save Google map bookmarks (why they didn't include that on the Palm version is a mystery to me). I'm still not convinced the soft keyboard is a great innovation though. A BT keyboard should help that out though.

    Apps like the stock widget could easily be developed for Palm as well, if Palm did enough to inspire developers. There are already apps that have the functionality just maybe not the style (except GX-5 maybe).
    06-20-2007 05:33 PM
  4. surur's Avatar
    Apple has taken over from realplayer when it comes to crapware on your computer. If I have to kill the ridiculous ipodservice one more time (on a computer I have never attached an Ipod to) I will scream.

    Surur
    06-20-2007 05:36 PM
  5. marcol's Avatar
    I noticed that the demo was prepared with the video already pre-loaded (look at the blue portion of the onscreen control).
    I'm not sure about that. Isn't the d/l progress in the top (non-blue) bar, the same bar that shows the progress in playing the video? I think the lower (blue) bar might be volume.

    OTOH...

    Will be VERY interesting to see how YouTube crawls out of an EDGE connection. My bet is the first person who uses one on the EDGE network and tries to scroll the New York Times home page like Jobs did in his demo will either (a) pull out all their hair, (b) throw the thing up against the wall in frustration, or (c) both. Even on a good EDGE connection, the internet on the Blackjack (at 70-120k) crawls by comparison. The difference when I'm on HSDPA is astounding.
    ...I agree completely with this. I hope they get the 3G version out asap... by the time it comes the UK would be nice
    06-20-2007 05:41 PM
  6. marcol's Avatar
    Still, it does have Wifi at least.
    Perhaps I'll just get a *really* long wire for the router
    06-20-2007 05:44 PM
  7. Charles@Kinoma's Avatar
    Malatesta,

    As far as knocking Palm OS, correct me if I'm wrong, but with Kinoma Player 4 EX, can't you stream YouTube directly? And wasn't that able to be done months ago?
    Yep, that's correct. Kinoma Player not only supports m.youtube.com (like the built-in Kinoma Media Embedded), but you can also play higher-quality Flash video via the Kinoma Media Guide or by adding your own feed.

    -- Charles Wiltgen

    06-20-2007 06:31 PM
  8. Malatesta's Avatar
    Malatesta,


    Yep, that's correct. Kinoma Player not only supports m.youtube.com (like the built-in Kinoma Media Embedded), but you can also play higher-quality Flash video via the Kinoma Media Guide or by adding your own feed.

    -- Charles Wiltgen
    Ah, love it when I'm right

    Now if you fine folks there could port that wondeful system to WM5/6... Any plans? (besides the Styletap work-around). The CORE guys mean well but are slow to deliver.
    06-20-2007 06:35 PM
  9. RICHINMJ's Avatar
    Malatesta,


    Yep, that's correct. Kinoma Player not only supports m.youtube.com (like the built-in Kinoma Media Embedded), but you can also play higher-quality Flash video via the Kinoma Media Guide or by adding your own feed.

    -- Charles Wiltgen

    The m.youtube.com site works prefectly with the latest Kinoma player but I can't say the same with my choices in the Kinoma Media Guide. I seem to get pauses every 5 seconds on most of the videos. Any suggestions on the set up of the General and Streaming preferences to make this work better.
    06-20-2007 06:38 PM
  10. mikec#IM's Avatar
    I noticed that the demo was prepared with the video already pre-loaded (look at the blue portion of the onscreen control). Will be VERY interesting to see how YouTube crawls out of an EDGE connection. My bet is the first person who uses one on the EDGE network and tries to scroll the New York Times home page like Jobs did in his demo will either (a) pull out all their hair, (b) throw the thing up against the wall in frustration, or (c) both. Even on a good EDGE connection, the internet on the Blackjack (at 70-120k) crawls by comparison. The difference when I'm on HSDPA is astounding.
    Bingo.

    Where do you have Wi-Fi? Home, work, hotspot? That's where I use a laptop/desktop to view youtube, etc.

    Where do you want to watch Youtube, etc? In the car, bus, subway, on street, etc. That's where I want to view that stuff on my mobile device. That's why 3G is key and EDGE is a turd wrapped in dookie buried in manure.

    I guess we will see once it comes out, but I think all the "fast" stuff is just wi-fi, which to me is whoop-dee-effing-doo.
    06-20-2007 07:00 PM
  11. Malatesta's Avatar
    Bingo.

    Where do you have Wi-Fi? Home, work, hotspot? That's where I use a laptop/desktop to view youtube, etc.

    Where do you want to watch Youtube, etc? In the car, bus, subway, on street, etc. That's where I want to view that stuff on my mobile device.
    :evil: I almost wrote the same post this morning and agree 100%. Usually where this is Wifi I have access to a desktop or laptop. But on the train or waiting at the DMV...

    OTOH, to play devil's advocate and I hate to say this...

    We don't know if the iPhone is upgradable to 3g via 'unlocking' the feature when the network is mature enough (analagous to the wifi 'n' thing). It might be unlikely, but until someone opens one (ahh...technology gore!) we won't know. Apple seems to enjoy pulling "Aha!"'s on us e.g. the Youtube deal (no small feat), increased battery life, etc.

    Just saying I wouldn't be surprised at this point if they didn't plan ahead.
    06-20-2007 07:21 PM
  12. Bronxboy's Avatar
    Indeed as of launch, no Flash so you are mistaken there (though I anticipate it will get it sooner than later, just not now).

    Flash Lite is rolling out across devices (newer WM devices have it installed and use it for the homescreen for various plugins). Flash 6 is a) old b) very poor for streaming to mobile devices, hence why companies like Opera are making their own flash for mobile. It's just not feasible for mobile today, it's not a "no brainer" if you are a programmer, which I take it you are not.

    As far as knocking Palm OS, correct me if I'm wrong, but with Kinoma Player 4 EX, can't you stream YouTube directly? And wasn't that able to be done months ago? Also, the new Youtube mobile works on the 700p/755p already too.

    They have their faults but there are a lot of media options (CORE Player?) for PalmOS and WM. I think you need to check your facts.
    Correct. No flash light as of yet “My bad” However there are indications it has flash working in a browser http://casario.blogs.com/mmworld/200..._will_sup.html And QuickTime has the best codec on the market so that covers all but windows media & I would suspect they will have a plug in for that.

    Just so you know, I have Kinoma Player 4 EX & Coreplayer & they both are lacking. With Kinoma you can only stream what they allow from You Tube unless you manually input the address (No thank you, I have better things to do with my time) So I hardly ever use it for anything other than streeming my favorite radio stations at home via Bluetooth. As for all the other features Kinoma offers I have applications that do a better or just as good a job such as splash Photo, TCPMP, Dio Player & Core player (which Is garbage just taking up space). Kinoma Player 4 EX is a good idea but without a built in web browser & backround play for MP3's I can't use it as a replacement for my other applications but instead end up with 2 video players, 3 audio players and at least 3 photo viewers.


    BTW you should never assume because as an electronic engineer, learning assembly code and visual Basic was mandatory for me to learn. So as a programmer I can tell you that writing programs for the Palm OS is as easy as it gets for a modern day OS (but by no stretch of imagination is it simple, especially if you write in ARM).

    on another note:
    The only issue I have with the i-Phone is speed. But since I’m in Europe & EDGE is as good as it gets I can’t complain. It does help that the EDGE service in Switzerland is way faster than Cingular's in Atlanta (think 14.4k dial up VS something almost as fast as Reverse Bluetooth) so it just makes an i-Phone that much more appealing to me.
    06-20-2007 11:08 PM
  13. archie's Avatar
    Apple has taken over from realplayer when it comes to crapware on your computer. If I have to kill the ridiculous ipodservice one more time (on a computer I have never attached an Ipod to) I will scream.

    Surur
    What are you talking about? What ipodservice? If you have iTunes it needs to check to see if an iPod is connected. If you are worried about ridiculous amounts of services running, perhaps you should try a Mac. Far more memory efficient and processor efficient.


    I think it's funny that your Windows machine makes you scream.
    06-21-2007 01:34 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    What are you talking about? What ipodservice? If you have iTunes it needs to check to see if an iPod is connected. If you are worried about ridiculous amounts of services running, perhaps you should try a Mac. Far more memory efficient and processor efficient.


    I think it's funny that your Windows machine makes you scream.
    Especially when Apple exports their bloatware/crapware like Safari, Itunes and Quicktime, all bundled nicely together.

    Surur
    06-21-2007 02:26 AM
  15. archie's Avatar
    iTunes requires QuickTime.

    I have Sunrise, Camino, Safari, Flock, OmniWeb, Opera, Shiira, Netscape and Firefox.

    Safari is 6.3 MBs
    Sunrise is 10
    Camino is 39.6
    Flock is 53.8
    OmniWeb is 27.9
    Opera 24.9
    Shiira is 16.6
    Netscape is 52.6
    Firefox is 50.4

    Now, keeping in mind that all applications elements are packaged in these containers for each app, Safari is rather small and nimble. In fact, it is the smallest bowser available - even when compared to others on that list that use WebKit.

    Edit: Forgot the 5 year old Internet Explorer - 20MB
    06-21-2007 02:51 AM
  16. marcol's Avatar
    We don't know if the iPhone is upgradable to 3g via 'unlocking' the feature when the network is mature enough (analagous to the wifi 'n' thing). It might be unlikely, but until someone opens one (ahh...technology gore!) we won't know.
    FCC approved only GSM/EDGE, Wifi and bluetooth with no indication of 3G frequencies. Some stuff is confidential, including the 'radio schematic', but is it really likely that the FCC would keep 3G completely off the public record if it was tested? I guess it could be that, as you say, it is there to be unlocked and didn't as a future feature require testing at the same time as the rest. Seems a bit of a stretch though.

    http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout =500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=268052&fcc_i d='BCGA1203'
    06-21-2007 03:02 AM
  17. surur's Avatar
    Safari - So small, yet so full of holes.

    Surur
    06-21-2007 04:38 AM
  18. Certs's Avatar
    I seriously, seriously doubt that the iPhone has 3G capability. The FCC would have to test that, which should be public record. I can't imagine them working around that one, but who knows I guess...
    06-21-2007 10:29 AM
  19. samkim's Avatar
    What are you talking about? What ipodservice? If you have iTunes it needs to check to see if an iPod is connected.
    Even when you're not running iTunes.
    06-21-2007 11:07 AM
  20. Malatesta's Avatar
    FCC approved only GSM/EDGE, Wifi and bluetooth with no indication of 3G frequencies. Some stuff is confidential, including the 'radio schematic', but is it really likely that the FCC would keep 3G completely off the public record if it was tested?
    Very good point that you and Pattycerts make and to be honest, I have no idea
    06-21-2007 12:02 PM
  21. mikec#IM's Avatar
    iTunes requires QuickTime.

    I have Sunrise, Camino, Safari, Flock, OmniWeb, Opera, Shiira, Netscape and Firefox.

    Safari is 6.3 MBs
    Sunrise is 10
    Camino is 39.6
    Flock is 53.8
    OmniWeb is 27.9
    Opera 24.9
    Shiira is 16.6
    Netscape is 52.6
    Firefox is 50.4

    Now, keeping in mind that all applications elements are packaged in these containers for each app, Safari is rather small and nimble. In fact, it is the smallest bowser available - even when compared to others on that list that use WebKit.

    Edit: Forgot the 5 year old Internet Explorer - 20MB
    Safari is optimized for the Mac, just like IE on Windows.

    Now let's just agree that Opera is the best one out there, and be done with it. ;-)
    06-21-2007 01:01 PM
  22. Certs's Avatar
    iTunes requires QuickTime.

    I have Sunrise, Camino, Safari, Flock, OmniWeb, Opera, Shiira, Netscape and Firefox.

    Safari is 6.3 MBs

    Edit: Forgot the 5 year old Internet Explorer - 20MB
    Hahahaha

    Funny, I just installed safari on one of my work computers (xp) lst week, and used it maybe 5 times. I love it actually, for loading web pages there's nothing faster. The interface could be better IMO, but I digress. The program files/safari folder is 27.5 MB.

    Where you get that number from is totally beyond me.

    EDIT: I should also add that the firefox folder is 25.9 MB.
    06-21-2007 01:06 PM
  23. braj's Avatar
    I like it as well, though it would be nice to change the interface a bit. One plus side is that if it does well Mac support by web developers should improve. That would be nice.
    06-21-2007 03:42 PM
  24. specimen38's Avatar
    I WAS WRONG! In the post below, I was told by a rep that my FAN account would get me a 40% reduction on the iPhone. No, it's worst. If you buy an iPhone, you will lose your FAN Account status and discounts. If you want an iPhone, you must purchase a separate consumer account.

    WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
    iPhone business users won't pay $600.00 or $500.00 to walk in the walled gilding (or gilded) garden. We will get our usual 40% discount. I think that works out to $360 and $300 respectively. This does not include discounts AT&T /Cingular might offer for 2-year contracts. However, I am not sure the business plan discount and contract discount can be combined. Anyone know the answer to that question?
    06-26-2007 09:57 AM
  25. surur's Avatar
    So basically you prove to them you are not a business by buying a consumer phone?

    Surur
    06-26-2007 10:00 AM
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