Iphone - Web page MUST be <10 MB - Real Internet LOL, Fark Photoshop threads ROFLMAO

[Pearl_Diva]

Who cares, Archie surrendered!


Actually, back to the OT...

I'm also not aware of what a 10mb limit on web pages mean, so if someone could give some real life examples it could put things in perspective.

I'm under the impression that this won't have much effect on the majority of users out there.

As far as the negative reaction here to the iPhone, I think it has more or less to do with Apple's attitude towards technology: everything is inferior to theirs, you're a dork if you use something else and we're reinventing everything.

I just find them condescending & elitist. They build nice stuff but between their yuppie/eastern zen "philosophy" and their users, I find it irritating.

At least that's how I feel when they promote products. Furthermore, the claim to "full blown internet" is a large order to fill and when the facts come out, it at least appears Apple is hedging. Will it ultimately make a difference? Probably not, but calling a spade a spade is not wrong either.

I think that means the page can't be more than 10MB. All web pages have a size. The more stuff, the bigger the size gets due to the graphics, images and videos. An all-text page will be light and faster loading, due to small size. A page with tons of pictures, heavy graphics, etc, will take longer to load because of the size of the photos and graphics. I know I'm not explaining very well, but if you've ever saved pages for off-line viewing, you'll gauge the size of the page when you look at the file sizes. 10MB seems heavy to me though, like a lot of video or Flash files and things like that.

As for Apple's approach, hate to say it, but it's still way more innovative than Palm's approach. Even though their closed system makes things hard. They really need to reach out to developers instead of shutting them out. They're learning slowly. But MSFT has a terrible approach too, use us or most software(unless it's the really expensive ones) won't work for you. That's the one thing that has kept me from moving to Apple. They've made it so many developers refuse to see there are other formats, due to them strongarming the PC market. Oh yeah, then MSFT takes over the entire machine with it's own software and MSFT programs are stuck in the ROM and can't be extracted if you don't need them. Truly just as annoying as Apple's exclusion. Sorry Surur.

 

[archie]

As many have said - the IPhone does not deliver a desktop browsing experience. You are in fact limited, just like any other mobile browser. Fark is not a porn site - its photoshop contests are very popular, and yes, I can browse them on my WM device without it exploding.

Especially with Safari being the development platform for the IPhone, any limitation like this is even more of an issue.

Archie - as you have given up, can you now admit its just another mobile browser, and not really desktop safari? Ive actually heard it called now Safari Mobile (which is funnily reminiscent of Windows Mobile).

You cant have it both ways - either the IPhone is "full OSX" and can do anything a desktop can do, or it joins its fellow Mobile OS's, with appropriate limitations based on likely usage scenarios.

Surur

Sure, I'll say it's just another mobile browser because Apple won't let it run a Flash plug-in (that is until Adobe recompiles it to take advantage of the new LLVM code providing for decreased processor cycles). Are you satisfied?

But it will still be able to access FARK.

And let you view web pages as originally constructed
And it gives you full inline/offline PDF support
And it gives you tabbed browsing instantly switching form site to site
And it gives you contextual menus when pressing and holding on specific content
And it gives you phone number and e-mail address integration...

 

[Malatesta]

Oh yeah, then MSFT takes over the entire machine with it's own software and MSFT programs are stuck in the ROM and can't be extracted if you don't need them. Truly just as annoying as Apple's exclusion. Sorry Surur.[/COLOR]

Hmm, maybe it's just me but I don't really find too much in the WM roms that are unnecessary or force you to use them. But that's me.

MS's view towards developers on WM is quite friendly and open--they write openly on their blog about the OS, design, decisions they made, how to change things, full documentation. You can disable just about everything if you really wanted to and if you're fancy, you can flash your own custom ROM (a cottage industry on the 6700 at ppcgeeks). Or just buy a device that the OEM customized (700wx, Amp'd Moto Q, Samsung i600, HTC Touch, etc.)

 

[Pearl_Diva]

I can't get MSFT Works out my ROM and it's taking up 200MB!Any suggestions?

 

[ScandaLeX]

What I can't believe is how surur and his minions find time to write so much negative crap about the iPhone. What I CAN believe is that he creatively interprets/purposely misinterprets things that he finds and then comes here to spew his spin.

At this point, I am just amused that he thinks he can turn people away from the iPhone. But seriously, those in the camp against the iPhone have some sort of deep issues. I cannot understand why they are so vocal against a product. There are products that I do not like but I do not make it my life's mission to make everybody else dislike it as well... Do they do this because they secretly want it but feel that it is against their principles to purchase it? Are they afraid of something? Do they not want others to have the benefit of such a product when they cannot or will not buy it?

It seems as though I have had a mindset change ever since attending the WWDC. The FUD machine is to great and out of control recently and it will just continue at this pace for the next month or so. There is no stopping it so I am not going to be fighting it. At this point, I am just amused that he thinks he can turn people away from the iPhone.

It's comments like this that I have trouble understanding. You said a mouthful in regards to what one person feels regarding the iPhone, but as an adult, can one person, whom you probably couldnt pick out of a line-up, prevent you from spending your money the way you or anyone else wants to spend it?

sursur like EVERYONE on this forum has opinions; and most of you state those opinions like their hard core facts anyway.

"interprets/purposely misinterprets" - Isnt interpretation based on what a person thinks? How can you say that he purposely misinterprets something? Personally, I think he's just stating his OPINION based on how he INTERPRETED it.

"vocal against a product" - Who wouldnt be when it's clear that its not going to do all one would think it should do for its price tag.

 

[surur]

Sure, I'll say it's just another mobile browser because Apple won't let it run a Flash plug-in (that is until Adobe recompiles it to take advantage of the new LLVM code providing for decreased processor cycles). Are you satisfied?

But it will still be able to access FARK.

And let you view web pages as originally constructed
And it gives you full inline/offline PDF support
And it gives you tabbed browsing instantly switching form site to site
And it gives you contextual menus when pressing and holding on specific content
And it gives you phone number and e-mail address integration...

You know there are a number of browsers than can do this already don't you. Where's the 5 years ahead?

All I am doing is deflating the Apple hype train, and only on this site. One could as well ask what's your mission to promote this underpowered feature phone?

Surur

 

[Pearl_Diva]

I still think he works for Apple or a business partner of Apple's. Not that it matters to me, I just always get that feeling. But that's just what I think.

 

[Kupe#WP]

I still think he works for Apple or a business partner of Apple's. Not that it matters to me, I just always get that feeling. But that's just what I think.

In either case, he's not serving his employer particularly well. :thumbsdn:

 

[Pearl_Diva]

That depends. On a tough forum like this it's hard, but if he were this excited over the iPhone on say a teen forum or something like that, it may sell phones. I've heard of this type of marketing before. Of course I don't know for sure that's what he's doing, but sometimes I do wonder.

 

[oalvarez]

MikeC, please explain to us those instances where one might be limited to 10mb......i'm sure many would love to know what it is that they're getting themselves into prior to purchasing the iphone.

thanks!

hi friends.....the list must be taking a long time to compile or perhaps those instances are truly hard to find.....sounds like a low risk situation given the silence.


lets move the advisory system warning level back to green.....

 

[tirk]

That depends. On a tough forum like this....

This place is a Sunday school compared to some of the football forums I know.

(No, not the soft stuff you have in the US, I mean the game played with the foot!)

 

[Certs]

hi friends.....the list must be taking a long time to compile or perhaps those instances are truly hard to find.....sounds like a low risk situation given the silence.


lets move the advisory system warning level back to green.....

Are you allowed to quote yourself?

I don't see 10MB as a big deal at all, BUT if you're running apps in safari, then it could be a problem. Everything is still so unclear, I can't wait to get one so I can REALLY push the thing!

 

[mikec#IM]

You know there are a number of browsers than can do this already don't you. Where's the 5 years ahead?

All I am doing is deflating the Apple hype train, and only on this site. One could as well ask what's your mission to promote this underpowered feature phone?

Surur

Um, that would be an _overpriced_ underpowered feature phone...

Actually, the iPhone is a PMP with portable web browsing - that is it's main purpose. The phone is secondary. When you look at it that way, it's takes on a different light.

 

[Certs]

Um, that would be an _overpriced_ underpowered feature phone...

Actually, the iPhone is a PMP with portable web browsing - that is it's main purpose. The phone is secondary. When you look at it that way, it's takes on a different light.

That's the issue...Apple wants you to believe it is a mini-OSX, combining the 4 elements. You're rationalizing it as a media player, with 3 other benefits. Big difference. That outlook justifies its shortcomings/disadvantages, but decreases its financial value.

I happen to believe the apple view more than your PMP-first theory, but we won't know till we play with it.

 

[surur]

Value is a funny thing. An Ipod phone may very well be worth $600 (but of course cheaper with a subsidy) but thats not exactly a revolution, and would not have had all the hype.

Surur

 

[Certs]

True, but not an 8GB ipod phone. Thats like an extra 400 bucks just for a phone no?

 

[surur]

True, but not an 8GB ipod phone. Thats like an extra 400 bucks just for a phone no?

Phones are actually pretty expensive unlocked. Look at this LG PRADA phone, which has about the same hardware as the IPhone, except for WIFI and 8GB flash. Its ?289 ($575) before tax. After subsidy its $60. The problem with the IPhone is not that its $600, but that Apple is refusing a subsidy.

Surur

 

[braj]

True, but not an 8GB ipod phone. Thats like an extra 400 bucks just for a phone no?

Well, also you get the web browser, email, big screen.

But I think the memory should be much more if it is going to be an iPod. 8GB gets filled up very fast with music and videos. If you have an iPhone you probably will still want an iPod (but maybe Apple sees this as a good thing?).

Hopefully v2 will have a 16GB or larger flash drive. I would love to see a micro SD slot too.

 

[tirk]

Well, also you get the web browser, email, big screen.

Why not just use your existing phone with a Foleo then?

Oh, hang on...

 

[Certs]

Well, also you get the web browser, email, big screen.

I don't think its an ipod w/benefits, we were just talking about different philosophies. Read the upper portion of the page and you'll see what I mean. Surur and I were just going off on a tangent (getting off topic? NO WAY!)