1. tirk's Avatar
    funny story TreoRat....."so sick and tired of his Treo's 2-3 daily resets".....shame that so many consider that normal operating procedure. let me guess, it doesn't happen to anyone's here.

    real life example? just yesterday my friend chucked his Treo in the can after it froze during trying to answer a call...that was the last straw for him too. got online and ordered a new Blackberry Curve.
    I only have my own experience, but my 680 has reset twice I think since I bought it in January. Once was after installing a new app. I've had friends with 600s & 650s that just work (except when they drop them of course!) though many of them are being moved by their employers to BBs now.

    A support forum tends to attract the users with problems, perhaps?
    06-22-2007 10:21 AM
  2. surur's Avatar
    A page can include Javascript AND HTML, so the fact that they list both as separate line items immediately discounts the "total page limit" theory.
    I believe thats 10 MB for Javascript data structures (arrays etc).

    If you were right, the iPhone would have to start loading a page, displaying it as normally, then when it reaches the so-called "10MB limit" put up a message in the middle of loading that says "sorry, this page is too big" and blank out the screen?
    Probably. Jobs is very protective of his phone, and I don't think he wants it to run out of memory and miss calls for any reason. We don't know if the Iphone has virtual memory, and I would be surprised if it had >128 MB RAM. Makes sense he would limit the one portal of uncontrolled data entry on the device, doesn't it?

    Surur
    06-22-2007 10:25 AM
  3. mikec#IM's Avatar
    funny story TreoRat....."so sick and tired of his Treo's 2-3 daily resets".....shame that so many consider that normal operating procedure. let me guess, it doesn't happen to anyone's here.

    real life example? just yesterday my friend chucked his Treo in the can after it froze during trying to answer a call...that was the last straw for him too. got online and ordered a new Blackberry Curve.

    good stuff
    The Palm OS is horrible...2-3 resets a day is just par for th course, esp. if you are using any internet apps (email, IM, etc.)

    WM5 on the Treo is very solid (by comparison).

    BB Curve is fine...if that's what you are looking for.

    I always said if you want a good phone, get a phone, not a combo. The wonderful convergence isn't quite there yet (even with the BB, which as I have said before, are good for email).
    06-22-2007 10:53 AM
  4. tirk's Avatar
    The Palm OS is horrible...2-3 resets a day is just par for th course, esp. if you are using any internet apps (email, IM, etc.)
    Damn, I never realised how lucky I was!

    As I said, my experience is very different, so please don't generalise just on yours. How the hell do we know the iPhone won't reset 5 times a day anyway??
    06-22-2007 11:59 AM
  5. Gee-Man's Avatar
    Probably. Jobs is very protective of his phone, and I don't think he wants it to run out of memory and miss calls for any reason.
    It's likely that the iPhone does have a limit of how large a web page can really get. That doesn't mean that the spec says what you think it says. The leaked spec says "10MB HTML limit". Given that this was revealed at a developer conference, this means exactly what it says. The scenario I outlined that you think is probable does not match how Safari or web rendering works at all.

    We don't know if the Iphone has virtual memory, and I would be surprised if it had >128 MB RAM. Makes sense he would limit the one portal of uncontrolled data entry on the device, doesn't it?
    This is just speculation. No one has said anything about volatile RAM separate from the flash RAM on the iPhone, whether it is present or not, and if it has it, how much is available. You cannot draw any conclusion whatsoever about "limiting the one portal of uncontrolled data entry" because there are no facts available to draw any conclusions from.

    For all we know, the opposite scenario is equally likely - my Treo 650 uses non-volatile flash memory to store everything. We know for sure that the iPhone uses a pretty robust OS underneath, so it's possible that the iPhone uses a similar scheme to Palm. Which would mean that it has anywhere from 4 to 8 GB of addressable memory to use for loading web pages, playing music, playing videos, etc. This is a sizeable amount of memory, more than enough to handle typical web browsing tasks.

    But again, neither of us knows this for sure. Why draw conclusions on something we don't really know?

    From reading your posts on here, it's obvious that you really really dislike the iPhone, and I too am a little tired of the hype, but come on - I think you're just trying to find any and all reasons to "ROTFLMAO" at anything you can grasp at to make the iPhone appear like it sucks. Before anyone even gets a chance to try it out. Why all the vitriol? It's just a phone - it's not like it's going to run over your dog on June 29th or anything like that.
    06-22-2007 12:03 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    This is just speculation. No one has said anything about volatile RAM separate from the flash RAM on the iPhone, whether it is present or not, and if it has it, how much is available. You cannot draw any conclusion whatsoever about "limiting the one portal of uncontrolled data entry" because there are no facts available to draw any conclusions from.

    For all we know, the opposite scenario is equally likely - my Treo 650 uses non-volatile flash memory to store everything. We know for sure that the iPhone uses a pretty robust OS underneath, so it's possible that the iPhone uses a similar scheme to Palm. Which would mean that it has anywhere from 4 to 8 GB of addressable memory to use for loading web pages, playing music, playing videos, etc. This is a sizeable amount of memory, more than enough to handle typical web browsing tasks.
    From the above I dont think you understand how a computer (or even a PalmOS device) works.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 12:37 PM
  7. Gee-Man's Avatar
    From the above I dont think you understand how a computer (or even a PalmOS device) works.

    Surur
    Riiight. Obviously I hit a nerve somewhere back there.

    Look dude - I'm not your enemy. I might actually be on your side, I'm certainly skeptical of how cool iPhone will be when it gets to the real world. But there's a fine line between healthy skepticism and blind hatred, and you apparently seem to think everyone who isn't in the latter camp re: iPhone should be insulted.

    Sorry if you feel insulted, but the truth is, you made a pretty wild claim at the start of this thread that wasn't supported by the known facts. You then tried to use more negative speculation as proof of said wild claim. It was hard not to notice, really. Certainly enough to pull me out of my typical lurker status to post something, which I'm starting to regret now

    In any case, you should look up how virtual memory and pageouts work sometime, especially in regard to modern operating systems and/or embedded systems with flash memory, such as the iPod nano. You might discover something interesting you didn't know before.
    06-22-2007 11:14 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    In any case, you should look up how virtual memory and pageouts work sometime, especially in regard to modern operating systems and/or embedded systems with flash memory, such as the iPod nano. You might discover something interesting you didn't know before.
    I think you need to do that yourself actually. I really doubt the iPhone has access to 4 to 8 GB or flash RAM like you speculate, far more likely is the 128 MB surur stated.

    And surur does have a level of blind hatred against the iPhone it seems. I'm way more concerned about the effect of Microsoft on the market (not because of the product but the company). Apple's effect will get everyone to try and compete. M$'s effect is to get everyone to assimilate.
    06-22-2007 11:21 PM
  9. Gee-Man's Avatar
    I think you need to do that yourself actually. I really doubt the iPhone has access to 4 to 8 GB or flash RAM like you speculate, far more likely is the 128 MB surur stated.
    I freely admit some of this is all speculation because none of us knows the actual internal memory configuration of the iPhone, but I'm not simply making up stuff about the potential for access to flash RAM. A modern OS like OS X pages in and out of storage quite seamlessly, which means that you essentially do have "virtual" access to 4 or 8 GB of storage space for things that might otherwise go beyond a basic RAM buffer that is likely present in the device. Even a fairly primitive OS like the one in the iPod nano does this on a very simple level.

    I admit my post didn't go into this kind of detail, but I was rather quickly responding to Surer claiming that any data on a device like the iPhone must fit wholly into 128MB of RAM, even when there is a large amount of pageout storage available. Given a device that runs a variant of Unix, this is highly misleading.
    06-23-2007 12:36 AM
  10. braj's Avatar
    I don't know, we'll see, that would be nice but having a 1GB paging file on a 4 GB device would not make anyone happy either.
    06-23-2007 12:39 AM
  11. Antoine of MMM#IM's Avatar
    10mB for a page is a lot. If the page is really heavy on the graphics side, you might see something that high, but that is really, really a heavy page, lest its a dynamic page that is loading a ton from various databases (then size gets up there, but think pages like MySpace, and corporate intranets; normal web pages really aren't that large). Oh yea, Flash sites would qualify as sites that wouldnt't do well in this respect if they are 10+MB. That means a lot of entertainment sites with rich content might have an issue that's not just 'no FLash' related. But for the most part, there should not be issues.

    Sounds like there is not much RAM to swap fun with. I am thinking no more than 64MB in there, maybe 128MBish; and much of that being taken up by the graphics, OS and touchscreen. Therefore only giving Safari 10MB to play with seems like a performance move.

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    Sounds either like a new Flash plugin isn't ready, or Adobe might be demonstrating apps made using AIR. A few people might be able to pick that up quickly, hence a NDA to make sure that Adobe covers their's.

    Separate HTML and CSS
    Use well structured and valid HTML
    Size images appropriately dont rely on browser scaling
    Tile small images in backgrounds, dont use large background images
    iPhone supports both EDGE and Wi-Fi.
    EDGE pipe is smaller than Wi-Fi pipe, so consider bandwidth when developing.
    XHTML mobile documents supported
    Stylesheet device width: 480px
    Apply different CSS for the iPhone.
    For example displaying a one column page for iPhone vs. a 3 column page on a desktop.
    There are no scroll bars or resize knobs.
    The iPhone will automatically expand the content.
    Avoid framesets. Scrollable frames are automatically expanded to fit the content
    iPhone User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A538a Safari/419.3
    Video: H.264 baseline profile level 3.0 up to 640x480 fps
    With the exception of some of that "design for the iPhone junk' much of this isn't much different from modern [professional] coding. It's good to see Apple pushing some semblance of using standards and best practices. However, sounds like Safari 3 for the iPhone does do a bit of optimization onboard (similar to Blazer and its optimized mode) and hence some of the issues. I think that if enough people visit certain sites on the iPhone, those sites would be updated so that no 'iPhone specific' considerations need to be made. Though this does seem like the iPhone might choke some on table-based designs. Good. Best to ditch that antiquated type of designing anyways

    10MB max html size for web page
    Javascript limited to 5 seconds run time (for comparison, Firefox has a 10 second limitation)
    Javascript allocations limited to 10MB (like pages)
    Honestly, if every browser (desktop and mobile) enforced this, the web would be a much nicer place. Nevertheless, sounds like the Webkit engine might not have enough horsepower behind it to push this more without some kind of performance hit to the entire system. So the suggestion to throttle back the pages, instead of beefing up the hardware to compensate. Tis a shame Palm couldn't pull that line off with the Foleo, because similar would be the case there too.

    In any case, does anyone think that the RAM won't be mentioned in final specs, I got a feeling that it will not be.
    06-23-2007 01:06 AM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    funny story TreoRat....."so sick and tired of his Treo's 2-3 daily resets".....shame that so many consider that normal operating procedure. let me guess, it doesn't happen to anyone's here.

    real life example? just yesterday my friend chucked his Treo in the can after it froze during trying to answer a call...that was the last straw for him too. got online and ordered a new Blackberry Curve.

    good stuff
    Did he really? He should have sold it, LOL!

    My Treos never froze, maybe because I barely use them, LOL!
    06-23-2007 01:23 AM
  13. braj's Avatar
    Honestly, I don't think there is a lot to complain about regarding the web on Safari from these specs, other than the statements by Apple that it would be 'desktop class'. I can deal with some limitations, even if it means visiting mobile-formatted sites when available (esp when on EDGE). You would still have a much more desktop-like experience because of the nice big screen. I'm actually pretty happy with Blazer so I'd be happy with Safari.

    Safari likely will be one of the best mobile browsing experiences and will force others to build better mobile browsers. Sure Apple didn't come up with the viewing method but it sure looks slick on their device. If I didn't need to type one-handed chats and emails while trying to keep control of my 4 year old, or have a big investment in Palm 3rd party apps, I could have been a very happy iPhone owner.
    06-23-2007 01:38 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    I freely admit some of this is all speculation because none of us knows the actual internal memory configuration of the iPhone, but I'm not simply making up stuff about the potential for access to flash RAM. A modern OS like OS X pages in and out of storage quite seamlessly, which means that you essentially do have "virtual" access to 4 or 8 GB of storage space for things that might otherwise go beyond a basic RAM buffer that is likely present in the device. Even a fairly primitive OS like the one in the iPod nano does this on a very simple level.

    I admit my post didn't go into this kind of detail, but I was rather quickly responding to Surer claiming that any data on a device like the iPhone must fit wholly into 128MB of RAM, even when there is a large amount of pageout storage available. Given a device that runs a variant of Unix, this is highly misleading.
    If you read what I wrote you will see that I said we did not know if it had virtual memory. Also even with virtual memory, all you do is end up swapping out areas of memory you are not using. When you then switch to those other processes things become sluggish (and flash is not much faster and can even be slower than a HDD when read). There will be a lot of swapping going on in a limited memory device that pretends to be a desktop. This will result in a sluggish device, which again does not seem to be Jobs style.

    There may be virtual memory, but I think its unlikely. Even if it does, Apple may very well limit the amount of memory the browser can use so not as to compromise the system's function (by slowing everything down for example).

    Surur
    06-23-2007 03:33 AM
  15. bruckwine's Avatar
    This place is a Sunday school compared to some of the football forums I know.

    (No, not the soft stuff you have in the US, I mean the game played with the foot!)
    Ain't THAT the truth lol!
    As tot he 10 MB limit I do think this may be a hindrance to those ajax 2. apps that seem to be the only way for 3rd parties to go...
    06-23-2007 06:44 AM
  16. surur's Avatar
    Ain't THAT the truth lol!
    As tot he 10 MB limit I do think this may be a hindrance to those ajax 2. apps that seem to be the only way for 3rd parties to go...
    I would imagine it puts a limit on the amount of data a web page can cache e.g. a google-maps like application.

    Surur
    06-23-2007 06:46 AM
  17. Gee-Man's Avatar
    If you read what I wrote you will see that I said we did not know if it had virtual memory.
    Yes, I read what you wrote, and I think it was incorrect. We do know that it has virtual memory. The iPhone is confirmed to run OS X - and virtual memory support is a fundamental part of the Darwin kernel. You can't just remove it, nor would there be any reason for Apple to do so even on a limited-memory device - memory management is far too embedded in the core of the operating system. That's one of the reasons OS X, like any modern OS, is able to multi-task effectively, which is also a confirmed feature of the phone.

    Also even with virtual memory, all you do is end up swapping out areas of memory you are not using. When you then switch to those other processes things become sluggish (and flash is not much faster and can even be slower than a HDD when read). There will be a lot of swapping going on in a limited memory device that pretends to be a desktop. This will result in a sluggish device, which again does not seem to be Jobs style.
    Flash memory is very fast, much more so than the tiny hard drives that can be put into phone-like devices today, which have lower RPM than desktop or even laptop drives. But besides that, there are a lot of ways to manage swapping. Given that the iPhone (stupidly) won't accept 3rd-party apps, the built-in functions of the phone aren't likely to cause massive swapping, even web browsing.

    I'm not sure what your overall argument is - is it that the iPhone is no longer the "real internet" because it may have a limit based on memory, any limit at all? That seems like an absurdly absolutist position to take - it's like saying that if my browser doesn't load one page after visiting 99 others fine, it's no longer a "real web browser".
    06-23-2007 12:21 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    Yes, I read what you wrote, and I think it was incorrect. We do know that it has virtual memory. The iPhone is confirmed to run OS X - and virtual memory support is a fundamental part of the Darwin kernel. You can't just remove it, nor would there be any reason for Apple to do so even on a limited-memory device - memory management is far too embedded in the core of the operating system. That's one of the reasons OS X, like any modern OS, is able to multi-task effectively, which is also a confirmed feature of the phone.
    Ive switched of virtual memory on my XP desktop. Its easier than you think, and results in a faster PC. I did not know you could not do this on OS X?

    Flash memory is very fast, much more so than the tiny hard drives that can be put into phone-like devices today, which have lower RPM than desktop or even laptop drives.
    Flash isn't faster than desktops HDD's, so the experience will be similar to desktops with heavy swapping. Right?

    But besides that, there are a lot of ways to manage swapping. Given that the iPhone (stupidly) won't accept 3rd-party apps, the built-in functions of the phone aren't likely to cause massive swapping, even web browsing.
    One way to manage it is not to have swapping at all, like most embedded devices.

    I'm not sure what your overall argument is - is it that the iPhone is no longer the "real internet" because it may have a limit based on memory, any limit at all? That seems like an absurdly absolutist position to take - it's like saying that if my browser doesn't load one page after visiting 99 others fine, it's no longer a "real web browser".
    Its just another reason. No flash, no Java, limitations on the size of the web pages. Its already 3 strikes now, and the device has not even been tested yet in real life.

    Surur
    06-23-2007 12:48 PM
  19. Gee-Man's Avatar
    Ive switched of virtual memory on my XP desktop. Its easier than you think, and results in a faster PC. I did not know you could not do this on OS X?
    Virtual memory is always on with OS X. Perhaps someone out there has some hack way to disable it, but there is no good reason to. Poor implementations of virtual memory, or badly-coded applications, are responsible for serious performance problems, not the concept of virtual memory itself. If the system is swapping when it shouldn't be, turning off virtual memory isn't going to make all problems go away, it'll just show up in some other way (like the application crashing).

    Virtual memory is an absolute requirement if you want the device to have effective multi-tasking, which is a basic feature Apple advertises for iPhone.

    Flash isn't faster than desktops HDD's, so the experience will be similar to desktops with heavy swapping. Right?
    I don't know what kind of web sites you frequent, but I do a lot of web browsing on my XP computer at work and my Mac at home, and I never see sluggish performance because of heavy swapping.

    We have very little idea what the experience will be like on the iPhone if you push crazy heavy web pages at it. Wait and see.

    One way to manage it is not to have swapping at all, like most embedded devices.
    First you said you think it won't have virtual memory, which you use as a reason to trash the phone. Then, after I pointed out the fact that OS X has virtual memory always enabled, you flip-flop to say that it shouldn't have virtual memory anyway since it's too slow. You're still grasping for any old justification to hate the iPhone, even shaky ones.

    And it's completely unnecessary - there are plenty of confirmed things that are genuinely not-so-great about iPhone. Like no 3rd-party apps. Like the unknown factor of typing without any tactile feedback. Like the high price. Like AT&T's mediocre network and coverage as an exclusive. Like the lack of 3G at the phone's price point. Why make up fake stuff when there's plenty of real stuff to criticize?

    Its just another reason. No flash, no Java, limitations on the size of the web pages. Its already 3 strikes now, and the device has not even been tested yet in real life.
    Sorry, but it takes real chutzpah to post in a Treo forum about how supposedly crappy the web browsing experience is on iPhone. I saw their walkthrough video - and even though I'm still not buying an iPhone, even I can tell how obviously superior their browser is going to be than any Treo ever made, and I love my Treo.

    Yes, it doesn't have flash or Java. Your third strike is your speculation, not proven, BTW. But even with those limitations it's still looks to be much better than anything else out there phone-wise, with the possible exception of the new Opera mini browser which I haven't had a chance to try yet.
    06-23-2007 01:52 PM
  20. Malatesta's Avatar
    if you want the device to have effective multi-tasking, which is a basic feature Apple advertises for iPhone.
    Do they?

    It looks more like PalmOS limited multi-tasking than true multi-tasking. Then again we don't have a device to test this, but it seems like you have one app run and then you have to go back home and launch another but we are not sure if the other program is actually still loaded or uses some "virtual" memory to return you to the previous state.
    06-23-2007 01:57 PM
  21. surur's Avatar
    Virtual memory is always on with OS X. Perhaps someone out there has some hack way to disable it, but there is no good reason to.
    Look, just because YOU dont know how to turn of Virtual memory under OSX does not mean Apple does not know how. The good reason why embedded devices usually do not use virtual memory is to guarantee performance.

    Poor implementations of virtual memory, or badly-coded applications, are responsible for serious performance problems, not the concept of virtual memory itself. If the system is swapping when it shouldn't be, turning off virtual memory isn't going to make all problems go away, it'll just show up in some other way (like the application crashing).
    Again, I wonder if you understand computers at all. Having to page in from slow storage takes time, and leads to performance issues. This is a basic feature of virtual memory. BTW, the solution to your paradox above is simply more RAM.

    Virtual memory is an absolute requirement if you want the device to have effective multi-tasking, which is a basic feature Apple advertises for iPhone.

    So my desktop isn't multi-tasking at the moment? I guess I'm being fooled by Rhapsody, Excel and 32 browser windows open.

    I don't know what kind of web sites you frequent, but I do a lot of web browsing on my XP computer at work and my Mac at home, and I never see sluggish performance because of heavy swapping.
    Try having more than 2 web pages open at the same time. Or maybe a little photoshopping.

    We have very little idea what the experience will be like on the iPhone if you push crazy heavy web pages at it. Wait and see.
    Out of memory errors?

    First you said you think it won't have virtual memory, which you use as a reason to trash the phone. Then, after I pointed out the fact that OS X has virtual memory always enabled, you flip-flop to say that it shouldn't have virtual memory anyway since it's too slow. You're still grasping for any old justification to hate the iPhone, even shaky ones.
    I said I dont think it has virtual memory, and I gave the reasons (due to performance issues) and I still dont think it has virtual memory. Jobs said the IPhone runs OSX, but dont fool yourself into thinking its not a special built with all kinds of limitations and reduced features.


    And it's completely unnecessary - there are plenty of confirmed things that are genuinely not-so-great about iPhone. Like no 3rd-party apps. Like the unknown factor of typing without any tactile feedback. Like the high price. Like AT&T's mediocre network and coverage as an exclusive. Like the lack of 3G at the phone's price point.
    And you dont think I have mentioned those too?

    Why make up fake stuff when there's plenty of real stuff to criticize?
    I have realistic expectations of embedded systems, and you clearly do not, and have swallowed the koolaid.

    Sorry, but it takes real chutzpah to post in a Treo forum about how supposedly crappy the web browsing experience is on iPhone. I saw their walkthrough video - and even though I'm still not buying an iPhone, even I can tell how obviously superior their browser is going to be than any Treo ever made, and I love my Treo.
    Sorry, thats not the advertising. Jobs didn't just say improved. He said desktop. Last I looked I have flash on my browser.

    Yes, it doesn't have flash or Java. Your third strike is your speculation, not proven, BTW. But even with those limitations it's still looks to be much better than anything else out there phone-wise, with the possible exception of the new Opera mini browser which I haven't had a chance to try yet.
    Again you have swallowed the hype. The browser in the new S60 Nokia's use the same webkit, and has been doing so for more than a year. Opera Mobile also does AJAX, and renders very well, for a while now. Netfront is also quite good.

    You've seen an advert, and think you know its very good. Has it even occurred to you that the adverts are designed to give you this very impression?

    Surur
    06-23-2007 02:12 PM
  22. HowardH's Avatar
    It's funny how people with Apple device don't start threads bashing the non-Apple devices by comparison, yet we see so any anti-iPod, anti-OSX and anti-iPhone threads, which are mostly started by people how have absolutely no significant experience with the devices that they're bashing.


    To be fair to Surer, you actually seem like a smart guy, from what I've read. Apart from not picking up the HTML thing.

    But I suspect your have "small device syndrome" or something similar. If you don't want an iPhone/iPod/iMac etc. then don't buy one. But don't do yourself the disservice of being lumped in with the "OS X sucks, it doesn't even have a command prompt!" crowd.
    06-23-2007 02:34 PM
  23. Gee-Man's Avatar
    Do they?

    It looks more like PalmOS limited multi-tasking than true multi-tasking. Then again we don't have a device to test this, but it seems like you have one app run and then you have to go back home and launch another but we are not sure if the other program is actually still loaded or uses some "virtual" memory to return you to the previous state.
    http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/

    Click the "OS X" button for a little movie showcasing this feature. They specifically mention true multi-tasking, it's definitely not the Palm-style "switching" where things aren't truly running in the background.

    I don't doubt them on this particular point. They have no reason to lie about this, plus they'd be wide open to serious lawsuits if they did. If it actually runs OS X, then true multi-tasking should be pretty much automatic. What we don't know at this point is how the iPhone will perform under real-world conditions when multi-tasking - if you're downloading an email in the background, will the web browsing slow down noticeably?
    06-23-2007 02:35 PM
  24. Malatesta's Avatar
    I don't doubt them on this particular point. They have no reason to lie about this, plus they'd be wide open to serious lawsuits if they did.
    I don't doubt them either, I just hadn't heard them use the word multi-tasking or seen that vid yet, so I was iffy on how it actually operated.
    06-23-2007 03:12 PM
  25. Certs's Avatar
    http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/

    Click the "OS X" button for a little movie showcasing this feature. They specifically mention true multi-tasking, it's definitely not the Palm-style "switching" where things aren't truly running in the background.

    I don't doubt them on this particular point. They have no reason to lie about this, plus they'd be wide open to serious lawsuits if they did. If it actually runs OS X, then true multi-tasking should be pretty much automatic. What we don't know at this point is how the iPhone will perform under real-world conditions when multi-tasking - if you're downloading an email in the background, will the web browsing slow down noticeably?
    It would have to, since EDGE is slow enough (being realistic here, not bashing)

    Apple has been advertising multi-tasking since day 1, so I'd take their word for it right now, until proven otherwise
    06-23-2007 03:15 PM
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