1. Malatesta's Avatar

    Same with 700wx, why is it stable over the 700w? They added the memory they should have in the first place!!!
    In fairness, it was their first WM device and most manufactures don't get it right the first time: the Q was pretty disastrous when it came out too, HTC has had some misses (the 6700 was hardly perfect and their update killed the earpiece volume). It's unfortunate but not uncommon.
    just imagine how many they could sell if they were less heavy and less brick-like.....so many in the market are saying they don't need all that "functionality" and the like.
    I have to question the validity of market attribution to the mysterious "they".

    Many do require that--in fact all WM devices offer the basically the same core functionality, that is what it is sold on.

    Since we don't have actual sales numbers of anyone, it's hard to say if Palm is not selling their devices. Sprint, Verizon and AT&T all seem to keep returning for more.
    06-18-2007 09:25 PM
  2. oalvarez's Avatar
    just look around this place Mal, it ain't hard to find people (and some long-time Treo lovers) who are discarding their Treos for less heavy and more slim devices. maybe not just because they're less brick-like but it's for something that Palm has failed to give them.

    it's ok man, love your Treo...if it works best for you, awesome!

    i just think it's a brick.
    06-18-2007 09:49 PM
  3. Certs's Avatar
    The question remains unanswered:



    Simple, no?
    They have not YET, but "Windows Update" is a new feature built into Windows Mobile 6
    06-18-2007 10:25 PM
  4. Certs's Avatar
    just look around this place Mal, it ain't hard to find people (and some long-time Treo lovers) who are discarding their Treos for less heavy and more slim devices. maybe not just because they're less brick-like but it's for something that Palm has failed to give them.

    it's ok man, love your Treo...if it works best for you, awesome!

    i just think it's a brick.
    I agree about the design, but not about the BRICK part. I think most people just get tired of the Treo design, it basically hasn't changed since the 600. That doesn't make it a brick, and to be honest of all 3 phones I have, the Treo 750 is by far the most ergonomical (blackjack, 8525). I still alternate phones here and there, but if I had to choose one I'd have to go with the Treo.
    06-18-2007 10:37 PM
  5. C201's Avatar
    They have not YET, but "Windows Update" is a new feature built into Windows Mobile 6
    Ya see, surur. That wasn't so painful. Good job, Pattycerts! :thumbsup:

    surur's problematic attack reply to the same question:

    Do you really need a history lesson. A few devices were upgraded from wm 2002 to wm 2003. Many devices were upgraded from wm 2003 to wm 2003se. A few wm 2003se devices were upgraded to WM5. Most wm5 devices got AKU 2. Many got AKU 3.3, and quite a few are getting the WM6 upgrade.

    You should stick to discussing areas you know.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 10:48 PM
  6. oalvarez's Avatar
    I agree about the design, but not about the BRICK part. I think most people just get tired of the Treo design, it basically hasn't changed since the 600. That doesn't make it a brick, and to be honest of all 3 phones I have, the Treo 750 is by far the most ergonomical (blackjack, 8525). I still alternate phones here and there, but if I had to choose one I'd have to go with the Treo.
    entirely fine, just know that i didn't coin the "brick" reference which you can find littered throughout much of the other devices forum if not TreoCentral. i guess they refer to it that way since it's one of the more heavy and bulky smartphone/pda choices out there.

    regards
    06-18-2007 11:06 PM
  7. MacUser's Avatar
    I agree about the design, but not about the BRICK part. I think most people just get tired of the Treo design, it basically hasn't changed since the 600. That doesn't make it a brick, and to be honest of all 3 phones I have, the Treo 750 is by far the most ergonomical (blackjack, 8525). I still alternate phones here and there, but if I had to choose one I'd have to go with the Treo.
    Today, the Treo is still the best device for me. People sometimes ask, "Isn't that too big?!" Sometimes I blush...

    It's all about what you, the individual, needs. If the iPhone suits your needs, then it's for you. If not, stay with the Treo or whatever. Why all the iPhone bashing? Because it's different? There's a lot of hype? The stock is rising? You hate black mock turtleneck?
    06-18-2007 11:09 PM
  8. braj's Avatar
    The stock is rising? You hate black mock turtleneck?
    I really think you got to the root of it all!
    06-18-2007 11:15 PM
  9. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    There's only one true certified iPhone basher here. I won't mention any names, but I'm sure you all know.

    I myself am just trying to figure out if it's worth the hassle. So I ask questions about what I'm getting myself into. If only they hadn't tied it up with ATT so tightly!! I don't even think you can buy the iPhone through Apple, all ads say ATT only. Due to that, they lose flexibility and I am not a fan of that.
    06-18-2007 11:37 PM
  10. oalvarez's Avatar
    apple store reps continue to say june 29, 6pm...any related additional info they don't seem to have.

    don't worry Lady Treo, even if you don't try it out the next gal will giving her the chance to put it under her signature as a testing device.
    06-19-2007 12:03 AM
  11. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    But are they selling it outright, or do you have to get a new ATT contract?

    I have ATT but don't need another line.
    06-19-2007 12:16 AM
  12. braj's Avatar
    But are they selling it outright, or do you have to get a new ATT contract?

    I have ATT but don't need another line.
    I'm pretty sure you could just sign a new 2 year contract, I don't know know if you would get the same price on the phone but that's usually how it works.
    06-19-2007 12:18 AM
  13. Certs's Avatar
    Ya see, surur. That wasn't so painful. Good job, Pattycerts! :thumbsup:

    surur's problematic attack reply to the same question:
    Thank you. But to be fair, your question was answered by someone else a few pages ago.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...&postcount=159

    It still wasn't surur, lol
    06-19-2007 12:19 AM
  14. Certs's Avatar
    But are they selling it outright, or do you have to get a new ATT contract?

    I have ATT but don't need another line.
    You HAVE to renew your contract, but AT&T is going to allow everyone to renew, regardless of how old (or new) their contract is. There's only one price for the phone, as of now, and that's it.
    06-19-2007 12:19 AM
  15. C201's Avatar
    Thank you. But to be fair, your question was answered by someone else a few pages ago.

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...&postcount=159

    It still wasn't surur, lol
    Actually, in all fairness, Malatesta was not answering the question that was asked, but felt the compunction to deliver a sermon about everything else he knew.
    06-19-2007 12:25 AM
  16. Malatesta's Avatar
    Actually, in all fairness, Malatesta was not answering the question that was asked, but felt the compunction to deliver a sermon about everything else he knew.
    Er...I provided context to the discussion, since you seem to think OTA by Microsoft is something they could just do, but never bothered with...

    Second, I did say this, which as far as I can tell...does answer your question:

    When did MS/Palm/HTC/etc makes these firmware updates available over the air?
    Answer #2
    WM6 has a OTA WinUpdater built in to it to allow updates to the OS regardless of carriers.
    Even earlier, Answer #1:
    The question has been answered already: with WM6 in March.
    Methinks you need to read more carefully...I mean, I even provided a picture (should I draw a map?).
    06-19-2007 12:52 AM
  17. C201's Avatar
    Er...I provided context to the discussion, since you seem to think OTA by Microsoft is something they could just do, but never bothered with...
    Given the context of when the question was asked, and the measures of avoidance being used by yourself and Surur at that time [pages 7-8] regarding iPhone OTA OS updates comparatively, your historical revisionism is obviously noted. Take the discussion as a whole on those pages, [b]if[/]b you're going to trouble yourself with a lecture on context now and correct all the ill-conceived responses of your compatriots. Is it just boilerplate with you [pot] guys to call the kettle black?

    Methinks
    Apparently, only in your own uniquely biased way.
    06-19-2007 01:04 AM
  18. surur's Avatar
    Its pretty stupid to expect ROM updates OTA. But you do expect ROM updates over the air. Thats pretty stupid.

    Surur
    06-19-2007 02:20 AM
  19. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    You HAVE to renew your contract, but AT&T is going to allow everyone to renew, regardless of how old (or new) their contract is. There's only one price for the phone, as of now, and that's it.
    Due to storage, 2 prices to choose from. But it looks like many will get the 8GB at $600.
    06-19-2007 02:32 AM
  20. marcol's Avatar
    Its pretty stupid to expect ROM updates OTA. But you do expect ROM updates over the air. Thats pretty stupid.
    Seems to be the way Nokia are going:

    http://www.s60.com/business/producti...ons/3rdedition
    06-19-2007 03:54 AM
  21. surur's Avatar
    And WM has Windows Update, and O2 has O2 plus download agent. That does not mean its sensible, and will result in more bricked devices. Also in UK, how much will it cost to download a 45 Mb ROM update? About 60 to 120?

    Surur
    06-19-2007 04:02 AM
  22. marcol's Avatar
    There were a huge number of Mac updates this year, at least once per month.
    22 according to the log on my MacBook. Four are labelled as security updates, others are a mixture of bug fixes, adding new features (e.g. iTunes updated to enable buying of DRM free music), or other performance enhancements (e.g. battery firmware update).
    06-19-2007 04:07 AM
  23. marcol's Avatar
    And WM has Windows Update, and O2 has O2 plus download agent. That does not mean its sensible, and will result in more bricked devices.
    I would certainly hope there would be quality control to ensure that that's not the case. The plus side of OTA is that you're not tied to a particular desktop OS if that's all your phone/OS maker supports (Nokia Software updater for instance is Windows only).

    Also in UK, how much will it cost to download a 45 Mb ROM update? About 60 to 120?
    ... or nothing above what you pay now if you have an unlimited data plan or a Wifi phone and Wifi access. The latter is probably preferable because it's quicker.
    06-19-2007 04:18 AM
  24. surur's Avatar
    Doesn't help a Treo 750v with no wifi (without wifi card), does it, especially with Vodafone and their poor data plans.

    Didn't the self-same Nokia have huge issues with bricked devices after allowing ROM updates at home for the first time?

    Surur
    06-19-2007 04:27 AM
  25. marcol's Avatar
    Sorry for another Nokia perspective

    The reason MS has "just gotten around to it" is because they found a way to update the OS while not stepping on every single Carrier's toes for software approval, which is a huge, huge hurdle.

    I can tell you the reason why devices do not get updated has less to do with MS and more to do with Carriers/Manufactures.
    Firmware updates for unlocked, unbranded S60 phones are available months before the carrier-specific updates to the same firmware version. I guess the delay in the latter could reflect either time required to add carrier specific features and/or time required by carriers to test (probably both?). I might be missing something, but I don't really see why WM OEMs couldn't adopt the same policy.

    Btw, it is the WM OEMs that are relevant here rather than MS isn't it?
    06-19-2007 04:34 AM
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