1. braj's Avatar
    The success of certain handsets is also linked to price. Lots of Razers are out there because people got them relatively cheap with their plans. My sister had one but HATED it, to lots of people a phone is just a phone and they take what the salesman offers them. It doesn't necessarily mean that they were drawn to that particular phone or even satisfied, just that that was what was in the market at the time.
    06-18-2007 07:11 PM
  2. braj's Avatar
    They need to save something for IPhone 2, dont they?

    Surur
    Gotta give people a reason to pay $500 twice
    06-18-2007 07:12 PM
  3. C201's Avatar
    Gotta give people a reason to pay $500 twice
    Or Windows Mobile 6+.
    06-18-2007 07:16 PM
  4. oalvarez's Avatar
    i just tend to look around wherever i go......there are more and more slim devices in people's hands than there are treos....used to be just Treos, now it's not.....why? not sure, but maybe because those slim devices offer the consumer enough functionality for their needs....or in other words, maybe they don't need "all of the added functioanlity" of a Treo.

    they're selling them, that's for sure.....
    06-18-2007 07:20 PM
  5. braj's Avatar
    Or Windows Mobile 6+.
    Of course. Or a new Treo (wait, they haven't been very good at doing that, have they)
    06-18-2007 07:20 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    Oh look, some-one else had the same idea as me.



    For people who feel I am particularly rabid, try reading this same thread over at Engadget.

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/18/i...glass-surface/

    Apple made a mistake by inviting feature comparison with smartphones, but their sheepish customers probably wont care.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:20 PM
  7. Malatesta's Avatar
    Or Windows Mobile 6+.
    At least a lot of companies rolled it out as a free update, including Palm with the 750 very soon.
    06-18-2007 07:22 PM
  8. Malatesta's Avatar
    i just tend to look around wherever i go......there are more and more slim devices in people's hands than there are treos....used to be just Treos, now it's not.....why? not sure, but maybe because those slim devices offer the consumer enough functionality for their needs....or in other words, maybe they don't need "all of the added functioanlity" of a Treo.

    they're selling them, that's for sure.....
    But that's also because companies like Moto and HTC and Samsung have all entered the market.

    Saying devices are getting thinner and lighter is not some amazing observation, it's just the way all technology works like laptops, tvs, mp3 players (nano?)--everything. That's just evolution, nothing special.
    06-18-2007 07:25 PM
  9. C201's Avatar
    Of course. Or a new Treo (wait, they haven't been very good at doing that, have they)
    Point is ... Apple didn't create the biz model that some are whining about. They're following what is already established, but advancing the model with OS-upgradeability. MS is just getting around to that themselves after how many years in this biz?
    06-18-2007 07:26 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    Point is ... Apple didn't create the biz model that some are whining about. They're following what is already established, but advancing the model with OS-upgradeability. MS is just getting around to that themselves after how many years in this biz?
    Did I say it was specific to Apple?
    06-18-2007 07:28 PM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Point is ... Apple didn't create the biz model that some are whining about. They're following what is already established, but advancing the model with OS-upgradeability. MS is just getting around to that themselves after how many years in this biz?
    What are you talking about?

    a) Firmware has always been upgradeable.

    b) Most of the software updates Apple will send out will be bug fixes.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:29 PM
  12. C201's Avatar
    Did I say it was specific to Apple?
    No. Neither did I infer that you did. However, a broader examination was warranted for those just tuning in.
    06-18-2007 07:30 PM
  13. Malatesta's Avatar
    Point is ... Apple didn't create the biz model that some are whining about. They're following what is already established, but advancing the model with OS-upgradeability. MS is just getting around to that themselves after how many years in this biz?
    That's a somewhat leaves out details though.

    When you have only one Operator to go through and strong-armed them into compliance (read freedom) it's a lot easier to roll out OS upgrades.

    The reason MS has "just gotten around to it" is because they found a way to update the OS while not stepping on every single Carrier's toes for software approval, which is a huge, huge hurdle.

    I can tell you the reason why devices do not get updated has less to do with MS and more to do with Carriers/Manufactures.
    06-18-2007 07:32 PM
  14. C201's Avatar
    What are you talking about?

    a) Firmware has always been upgradeable.
    How many have been delivered over the 18-month lifespan of any single device? These firmware updates are exactly what you claim about Apple below:

    b) Most of the software updates Apple will send out will be bug fixes.

    Surur
    And when will you be publishing this iPhone Roadmap of yours?
    06-18-2007 07:33 PM
  15. surur's Avatar
    How many have been delivered over the 18-month lifespan of any single device? These firmware updates are exactly what you claim about Apple below:

    And when will you be publishing this iPhone Roadmap of yours?
    I am using simple logic. You seem to be privy to Apple's firmware update plans however.

    My simple logic tells me most updates fix bugs, and do not add features. Am I wrong?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:36 PM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    What are you talking about?

    a) Firmware has always been upgradeable.

    b) Most of the software updates Apple will send out will be bug fixes.

    Surur
    Same with XP. I said that the other day, remember? Looks to me like both XP and OSX need bug fixes. When I was using my Powerbook, I recall Apple had so many updated version numbers of OSX, I couldn't keep track! But XP updates are through the roof!! They're more alike than we think, LOL!
    06-18-2007 07:38 PM
  17. C201's Avatar
    I am using simple logic. You seem to be privy to Apple's firmware update plans however.

    My simple logic tells me most updates fix bugs, and do not add features. Am I wrong?

    Surur
    Let's just hope your simple logic isn't the same you used for your comparative analysis of handsets.

    When did MS/Palm/HTC/etc makes these firmware updates available over the air?
    06-18-2007 07:39 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    Same with XP. I said that the other day, remember? Looks to me like both XP and OSX need bug fixes. When I was using my Powerbook, I recall Apple had so many updated version numbers of OSX, I couldn't keep track! But XP updates are through the roof!! They're more alike than we think, LOL!
    Exactly! But the Apple fans seem to believe Apple will create bug free code that wont need a significant number of fixes over the next few months.:shake:

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:41 PM
  19. surur's Avatar
    Let's just hope your simple logic isn't the same you used for your comparative analysis of handsets.

    When did MS/Palm/HTC/etc makes these firmware updates available over the air?
    Do you really need a history lesson. A few devices were upgraded from wm 2002 to wm 2003. Many devices were upgraded from wm 2003 to wm 2003se. A few wm 2003se devices were upgraded to WM5. Most wm5 devices got AKU 2. Many got AKU 3.3, and quite a few are getting the WM6 upgrade.

    You should stick to discussing areas you know.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:44 PM
  20. C201's Avatar
    Do I really have to repeat the question, surur?
    06-18-2007 07:45 PM
  21. surur's Avatar
    Do I really have to repeat the question, surur?
    What question?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 07:51 PM
  22. C201's Avatar
    What question?

    Surur
    Is internet self-entertainment a fetish of yours, surur?
    06-18-2007 07:56 PM
  23. surur's Avatar
    Is internet self-entertainment a fetish of yours, surur?
    Exposing ignorance is always fun. Thats why I like Archie, and I like you too.

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:00 PM
  24. C201's Avatar
    Exposing ignorance is always fun. Thats why I like Archie, and I like you too.

    Surur
    When you're unable to answer the question which was asked, you may want to invest in a reflective object when making statements such as this.
    06-18-2007 08:02 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    When you're unable to answer the question which was asked, you may want to invest in a reflective object when making statements such as this.
    Which question? Will it kill you to repeat yourself?

    Surur
    06-18-2007 08:05 PM
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