1. archie's Avatar

    BTW, I'm still waiting for the Zirconia to show.

    Surur
    Yes, I suppose you would be, as this is about the only thing left that has yet to be revealed of which I was correct in predicting.
    06-22-2007 04:33 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    Well that's nice.

    I personally would rather just click on the actual, instantly available, LETTER to filter the list down (no need to hunt and peck through T9 to press the appropriate key the correct number of times to get to the letter of the name) or I might just want to have fun flicking through my contacts.
    Yes Archie, I am sure you will spend all your time flicking things around, instead of actually using your phone.

    Whats so efficient about having to tell google maps where you are, when it it had built-in GPS it could tell you where you are? Pretty poor, but a lot of nice flicking.

    Even deleting e-mail seems to be a 2 or 3 step process, when it can be done with one keypress on WM6.

    Coverflow is pretty, but again not very efficient, vs simply typing the album name on your hard keypad using smartfilter, built into WM6.

    As I've said - pretty, but also pretty inefficient.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 04:37 PM
  3. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Surur & archie - are you two brothers in opposite uniforms, or just an old married couple?
    06-22-2007 04:58 PM
  4. surur's Avatar
    Surur & archie - are you two brothers in opposite uniforms, or just an old married couple?
    You know I love ... to needle Archie...

    Surur
    06-22-2007 05:02 PM
  5. archie's Avatar
    Yes Archie, I am sure you will spend all your time flicking things around, instead of actually using your phone.

    Whats so efficient about having to tell google maps where you are, when it it had built-in GPS it could tell you where you are? Pretty poor, but a lot of nice flicking.
    You are comparing two different things; Google Maps and GPS.

    Even deleting e-mail seems to be a 2 or 3 step process, when it can be done with one keypress on WM6.
    One swipe and a click on the iPhone. Tell me how you do it on WM6. Here is the only way possible that I know.

    1. Select message
    2. Press left softkey
    3. Press action button on “Yes” button confirming the deletion

    Lame.......

    And this is the new EASY method.

    Tell me why they changed this at the expense of making it even more difficult to do what actually needs to be done more often: that is starting a new message. Here is what you have to do for that now as a result of M$ making the deletion of spam more "efficient".

    1. Open Messaging app
    2. Select Messaging account
    3. Press right softkey
    4. Press action button on pre-selected “New” command (For text messages, the “New” command has another sub menu with SMS and MMS options, adding another couple steps to this process)
    5. Write new message

    If I were you, I would be cursing M$ up and down.

    Coverflow is pretty, but again not very efficient, vs simply typing the album name on your hard keypad using smartfilter, built into WM6.
    Efficient? Who needs to be efficient when enjoying some music? You don't get it. If you want to be efficient you can browse your music or videos or podcasts or lectures or tv shows or movies or whatever in a multitude of different methods that would be more "efficient"; that is if you consider "browsing" "efficient".
    06-22-2007 05:14 PM
  6. surur's Avatar
    You are comparing two different things; Google Maps and GPS.
    Sorry, Apple makes the OS AND the device. If they were after efficiency why include a mapping app with no GPS?

    One swipe and a click on the iPhone. Tell me how you do it on WM6. Here is the only way possible that I know.

    1. Select message
    2. Press left softkey
    3. Press action button on Yes button confirming the deletion

    Lame.......

    And this is the new EASY method.
    Actually all you need to do is press and hold the delete shortcut key (7 or D), and delete confirmation can be swtiched off, to make that a one step process too. See WM is about work, not play.

    Tell me why they changed this at the expense of making it even more difficult to do what actually needs to be done more often: that is starting a new message. Here is what you have to do for that now as a result of M$ making the deletion of spam more "efficient".

    1. Open Messaging app
    2. Select Messaging account
    3. Press right softkey
    4. Press action button on pre-selected New command (For text messages, the New command has another sub menu with SMS and MMS options, adding another couple steps to this process)
    5. Write new message

    If I were you, I would be cursing M$ up and down.
    I saw that complaint, but you can reply to a message just by pressing and holding the R or 2 key. It takes account of how people WORK with mobile e-mail - mainly in the form of triage and reply, not writing volumes.

    Efficient? Who needs to be efficient when enjoying some music? You don't get it. If you want to be efficient you can browse your music or videos or podcasts or lectures or tv shows or movies or whatever in a multitude of different methods that would be more "efficient", that is if you consider "browsing" "efficient".
    Maybe its because you want to hear the song you want to hear now, instead of after 60 seconds of riffling through coverflow? Do people even use that on the desktop? Ive heard not.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 05:29 PM
  7. archie's Avatar
    Actually all you need to do is press and hold the delete shortcut key (7 or D), and delete confirmation can be swtiched off, to make that a one step process too. See WM is about work, not play.
    You still have to select the message. On the iPhone, you just swipe and hit delete.



    I saw that complaint, but you can reply to a message just by pressing and holding the R or 2 key. It takes account of how people WORK with mobile e-mail - mainly in the form of triage and reply, not writing volumes.
    Replying is no more efficient than on the iPhone. This doesn't change the fact that if you want to start a "New" message on WM6, you still have to go through this highly inefficient and arcane method.


    Surur[/QUOTE]
    06-22-2007 05:36 PM
  8. surur's Avatar
    You still have to select the message. On the iPhone, you just swipe and hit delete.
    You know on PPC you can select with your finger too, dont you. You can even press and hold, and then press the delete button.

    Replying is no more efficient than on the iPhone. This doesn't change the fact that if you want to start a "New" message on WM6, you still have to go through this highly inefficient and arcane method.
    Actually selecting the account can also be switched off, and I wonder how you select which e-mail address you send from on the IPhone. Also in WM6 when you type in the e-mail address it will search your contact database and auto-fill it. There was no sign of the IPhone doing that.

    So its one touch on the IPhone, and two on WM, but when it comes to entering the e-mail address its a lot of scrolling on the IPhone vs simply typing a few characters of the name in the address box

    IPhone - Pretty Inefficient.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 05:52 PM
  9. Malatesta's Avatar
    Maybe its because you want to hear the song you want to hear now, instead of after 60 seconds of riffling through coverflow? Do people even use that on the desktop? Ive heard not.

    Surur
    I have to admit, the Coverflow thing looks weird for finding that one album you want to listen to. Can you use the keyboard at all to "smart-find" the band, album or song? Searching by album cover seems a bit odd...or am I missing something?

    Does it also due lyrics? I just tried this new app "MiniLyrics" which auto-downloads your lyrics and displays as the song plays, karaoke-style, which I thought was kinda cool, lol. Helps with Bad Religion lyrics...
    06-22-2007 05:59 PM
  10. braj's Avatar
    Yeah, I love Apple but just because it is Apple doesn't mean it is necessarily easier or more efficient. the Apple Dock for example, the Zoom feature sucks balls IMO. I always turned that off, just because the design something doesn't mean it is perfect, or even good.

    I guarantee my Palm is more efficient than the iPhone for some things. 1 button push can bring up a list of frequently used contacts, or URLs, or whatever I want. This is way faster than anything I saw in that video. Not as pretty, but more efficient.

    The problem here is that the iPhone is not perfect, nor is anything else. Some want to just say it is terrible and some just want to say it is perfect. What's wrong with seeing both good and bad in it? Like, "I would love the bigger screen but I'd sure miss those buttons." Why can't we evaluate each feature and say 'That's cool!" and "I don't like that".. I haven't heard Archie say one negative thing about it, and surur's compliments always seem to have a 'but' at the end.
    06-22-2007 06:13 PM
  11. archie's Avatar
    So its one touch on the IPhone, and two on WM, but when it comes to entering the e-mail address its a lot of scrolling on the IPhone vs simply typing a few characters of the name in the address box

    IPhone - Pretty Inefficient.

    Surur
    So you're proclaiming the iPhone inefficient without even knowing the facts?!


    Here is a fact for you: you CAN "simply type a few characters of the name in the address box" on the iPhone. I am not sure why you say that a person cannot do this.
    06-22-2007 06:14 PM
  12. surur's Avatar
    What's wrong with seeing both good and bad in it? Like, "I would love the bigger screen but I'd sure miss those buttons." Why can't we evaluate each feature and say 'That's cool!" and "I don't like that".. I haven't heard Archie say one negative thing about it, and surur's compliments always seem to have a 'but' at the end.
    Even your example has a but in it. Its how we say we express reservation. Unless you have another way.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 06:16 PM
  13. surur's Avatar
    So you're proclaiming the iPhone inefficient without even knowing the facts?!


    Here is a fact for you: you CAN "simply type a few characters of the name in the address box" on the iPhone. I am not sure why you say that a person cannot do this.
    The tour does now show this. Point me to a video that does.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 06:18 PM
  14. braj's Avatar
    Even your example has a but in it. Its how we say we express reservation. Unless you have another way.

    Surur
    Yeah, true, you got me. How about you point out one thing you really like about the iPhone (with no 'but's) and Archie says one thing he doesn't like (or says something nice about WM )?
    06-22-2007 06:19 PM
  15. archie's Avatar
    Yeah, true, you got me. How about you point out one thing you really like about the iPhone (with no 'but's) and Archie says one thing he doesn't like (or says something nice about WM )?
    I have started whole threads about things I don't like in the iPhone:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=133709
    06-22-2007 06:23 PM
  16. archie's Avatar
    The tour does now show this. Point me to a video that does.

    Surur
    the introductory keynote is one example.
    06-22-2007 06:24 PM
  17. braj's Avatar
    I have started whole threads about things I don't like in the iPhone:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...d.php?t=133709
    You have ONE thing in that thread, which is a wet dream of all your other likes. One question: are you 12?
    06-22-2007 06:27 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    Yeah, true, you got me. How about you point out one thing you really like about the iPhone (with no 'but's) and Archie says one thing he doesn't like (or says something nice about WM )?
    I have said on a number of occasions the UI is very attractive, enough to justify buying the device even just as a phone. Need I really say more?

    Surur
    06-22-2007 06:29 PM
  19. archie's Avatar
    I guarantee my Palm is more efficient than the iPhone for some things. 1 button push can bring up a list of frequently used contacts, or URLs, or whatever I want. This is way faster than anything I saw in that video. Not as pretty, but more efficient.
    You are assuming that the iPhone will not have the option to have a default start up application, like say, maybe the phone. In which case, the iPhone will have the same number of taps to dial a specific person.

    Just as fast... yet more pretty.
    06-22-2007 06:29 PM
  20. archie's Avatar
    I have said on a number of occasions the UI is very attractive, enough to justify buying the device even just as a phone. Need I really say more?

    Surur
    But then you always follow it up with, a disqualifier, like claiming the pretty UI is useless!
    06-22-2007 06:30 PM
  21. archie's Avatar
    You have ONE thing in that thread, which is a wet dream of all your other likes. One question: are you 12?
    Read further.
    06-22-2007 06:30 PM
  22. surur's Avatar
    like claiming the pretty UI is useless!
    Less efficient <> useless.

    Surur
    06-22-2007 06:32 PM
  23. braj's Avatar
    You are assuming that the iPhone will not have the option to have a default start up application, like say, maybe the phone. In which case, the iPhone will have the same number of taps to dial a specific person.

    Just as fast... yet more pretty.
    From within any application the keyboard is always available to me. What you mention is not the same at all. You have absolutely no objectivity, do you? I can launch anything from the keyboard, the iphone just can't touch that. It is a design limitation because it has no buttons. There's no way around that. The treo has a small screen, it can't display movies or pictures in landscape mode because there is no landscape mode. See how that works? I wouldn't dream of trying to talk my way out of that limitation with BS, but that's what you do constantly with the iPhone. But then, you don't think it has any limitations, right? Your arguments have no integrity with me.
    06-22-2007 06:36 PM
  24. braj's Avatar
    Read further.
    Why don't you summarize them here?
    06-22-2007 06:40 PM
  25. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Surur & archie - are you two brothers in opposite uniforms, or just an old married couple?
    Yeah, they're exactly alike!! They just support competing companies and formats, however that's where the difference ends!
    06-23-2007 02:06 AM
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