1. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    What does that mean? :evil:
    06-09-2007 03:18 PM
  2. archie's Avatar
    "Dont worry about MMS. All we need is the spirit of Jobs..."
    You know that you can use the e-mail client to send photos or videos to a phone number right?

    Say you number is (888) 555-1234:
    just enter 8885551234@tmobile.net or whatever...

    No need for a specialized MMS client that is needlessly taking up extra space.
    06-09-2007 04:30 PM
  3. archie's Avatar
    It shows the extent of your unrealistic expectations. Has it occurred to you that plastic is also radio-lucent?

    Surur
    Yes, it has occured to me. But it has also occured to me that everytime the iPhone is dropped the plastic will easily break when this heavy end of the phone hits the ground first. That is why Zirconia is used.
    06-09-2007 04:35 PM
  4. archie's Avatar
    No Instant Messaging equals no sale.

    I think this either a big oversight, or just the first $40 app that Apple will sell.

    Oh well...get ready for the thud.
    Actually it will be $99.
    06-09-2007 04:41 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    You know that you can use the e-mail client to send photos or videos to a phone number right?

    Say you number is (888) 555-1234:
    just enter 8885551234@tmobile.net or whatever...

    No need for a specialized MMS client that is needlessly taking up extra space.
    Of course this sending MMS via e-mail, its very Apple-like isn't it, doing things the hardest way, having to remember on which network all your friends are. So simple!

    And you know you need down-scaled pictures to send via MMS, otherwise the gateway rejects them.

    Actually, you probably dont know. I really shouldn't expect you to know complicated details like that...

    Surur
    06-09-2007 04:42 PM
  6. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    No IM client will make the younger crowd unhappy. Actually, I'm not even that young and I'm not happy about that either. No IM? Come on, that's a basic these days!

    Also, no MMS at that price makes me scratch my head.
    06-09-2007 04:50 PM
  7. Malatesta's Avatar
    No IM client will make the younger crowd unhappy. Actually, I'm not even that young and I'm not happy about that either. No IM? Come on, that's a basic these days!

    Also, no MMS at that price makes me scratch my head.
    Agreed.

    I happen to find IM a bit tedious on just about every device I've used...just b/c typing that much back and forth on a phone, when you could just call, seems odd to me. Since there are so many companies offering it though (Octro, IM+, Agile, iMov, Webmessenger, Mundu, etc.) I think to say it's a very popular & profitable service.

    But for the younger crowds (teens through late 20's) IM is just a way of life. That's why the Sidekick is popular (even though it's a pretty awful device!). The Helio Ocean also does a very a nice job of integrating all: GPS, MMS, SMS, IM, Push email, 2mp camera, 3G, A2DP for $295. Granted it's not in the same league as the iPhone for sleekness and price gouging and wont' get nearly any recognition for what it is, but it's still a more realistic device, imo.

    Re: MMS, trust me I know about not having it. Sprint never intergrated their MMS ad-hoc system ("picturemail") to work with WM5 so on every forum you'll find Sprint users flabbergasted as to how to send MMS (there is hack: we lifted Verizon's program to do it) and even though I find MMS kind of lame I'm always surprised at how many people a) really want it b) use it a lot.

    So although I wouldn't miss MMS, it's certainly a very popular function on these devices and I imagine you'll have lots of people complaining that it's missing, just like on Sprint for their Moto Q, 6700 and 700wx. The sending via number trick is a little to tedious and is really a poor solution that most users will never bother with.

    Btw: anyone know about insurance for the iPhone via AT&T (for Sprint it's like $7 a month)?

    I mean one drop of that device on pavement will surely shatter the screen, no? What happens then?
    06-10-2007 03:27 PM
  8. mikec#IM's Avatar
    The reason many use IM instead of phone calls is the IM does not take away from minutes. And it's good for passing small info while multitasking.

    Too bad the iPhone missed this...I mean, their target demographic is steeped in IM (not just the under 18 crowd)
    06-10-2007 08:55 PM
  9. archie's Avatar
    Wait, just for the record mikec; so do you or do you not think that Apple will have an IM client available outside of the box (and most everybody is assuming that it will not be there in the box on it's release day, am I right)?

    And mikec, for the record; do you discount Google Talk being available for the iPhone?
    06-10-2007 09:43 PM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    They should at least offer the option to download one to your phone if they don't have it on the phone out of the box! But I think that's forbidden due to the no 3rd party rule.

    But it would be so much easier if they have their own iChat version for the iPhone, there wouldn't be a compatibility problem. This is the best bet. Maybe the final released version will have it or an option to download from Apple's site?
    06-11-2007 12:12 AM
  11. surur's Avatar
    Wait, just for the record mikec; so do you or do you not think that Apple will have an IM client available outside of the box (and most everybody is assuming that it will not be there in the box on it's release day, am I right)?

    And mikec, for the record; do you discount Google Talk being available for the iPhone?
    For the record, do you think AT&T (and Apple with its revenue sharing model) wants you to use SMS or IM?

    Surur
    06-11-2007 02:23 AM
  12. Malatesta's Avatar
    Wait, just for the record mikec; so do you or do you not think that Apple will have an IM client available outside of the box (and most everybody is assuming that it will not be there in the box on it's release day, am I right)?

    And mikec, for the record; do you discount Google Talk being available for the iPhone?
    Archie,

    If there is no mention of IM or Google Talk in relation to the iPhone (outside of the fact it doesn't have them) why would we assume it will later on or "outside of the box"?

    Unless Apple says it will eventually or something publicly, the logical thing is to suggest it won't have them. Indirect references by a single poster on TC suggesting that it will support does not constitute evidence. Otherwise, what is the hold up? This device has been 2 years in the making and there is no obvious reason for no iChat included, is there?

    We can only discuss what we know and has been made public.
    06-11-2007 02:45 AM
  13. braj's Avatar
    As an adult who works in IT, I can attest that I use chat LOTS to be in touch with people all over the world and communicate simultaneously with people across 3 IM services all day, every day. I woudn't buy a smartphone without IM,. Lots of IT business happens over IM, I'm not alone. And I'd rather chat with some people because I'll have a log to forward or refer to where a phone call requires me keeping track in some separate way.

    But people will buy it on the assumption that it will be available, and if Apple cares about it being a success eventually it will be.
    06-11-2007 02:45 AM
  14. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    For the record, do you think AT&T (and Apple with its revenue sharing model) wants you to use SMS or IM?

    Surur
    Obviously not Archie, but I'd say BOTH. ATT charges for both. Doesn't IM use data?
    06-11-2007 03:43 AM
  15. surur's Avatar
    Obviously not Archie, but I'd say BOTH. ATT charges for both. Doesn't IM use data?
    SMS is one of the most expensive forms of data in the world, at around 300 per megabyte. I'm sure they prefer you to have the unlimited internet package for your imap e-mail AND to pay extra to use unlimited SMS also.

    Surur
    06-11-2007 04:45 AM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    But what I was saying is ATT makes sure they get paid if you use either. I bet you not everyone uses unlimited data plans. Look here:

    http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/me...-messaging.jsp
    06-11-2007 07:51 AM
  17. surur's Avatar
    But what I was saying is ATT makes sure they get paid if you use either. I bet you not everyone uses unlimited data plans. Look here:

    http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/me...-messaging.jsp
    Q. Is there a cost to sign in to IM on my wireless phone?

    A. Signing in to IM through the IM or Messaging icon on your phone is free. If you access IM through MEdia Net, you will incur data charges per kb of usage.

    Q.What is the cost for sending and receiving Instant Messages?

    A. You are charged $0.15 for each message you send and receive. For a better value, sign-up for a MEdia Bundle.
    No, thats IM using SMS messages, not data, and at a nice $0.15 per message. 6 lines will cost you a $1.

    Trust me, they are greedy. They want to be paid for both, Data AND SMS.

    Surur
    06-11-2007 08:40 AM
  18. mobileman's Avatar
    As an adult who works in IT, I can attest that I use chat LOTS to be in touch with people all over the world and communicate simultaneously with people across 3 IM services all day, every day. I woudn't buy a smartphone without IM,. Lots of IT business happens over IM, I'm not alone. And I'd rather chat with some people because I'll have a log to forward or refer to where a phone call requires me keeping track in some separate way.
    I totally agree. I use IM all the time at work. Hard to believe a $600 phone cannot do the same thing that my wifes free flip phone can.
    06-11-2007 02:28 PM
  19. braj's Avatar
    Hard to believe a $600 phone cannot do the same thing that my wifes free flip phone can.
    Yeah, which makes me wonder when, not if, they will get an IM client out. Hopefully by release if they really understand the markey.

    For those saying ATT will pressure them not to include chat, my SE phones have had chat from ATT and Cingular, I don't see why the rules would be different for Apple.
    06-11-2007 04:07 PM
  20. surur's Avatar
    Yeah, which makes me wonder when, not if, they will get an IM client out. Hopefully by release if they really understand the markey.

    For those saying ATT will pressure them not to include chat, my SE phones have had chat from ATT and Cingular, I don't see why the rules would be different for Apple.
    Chat via SMS maybe?

    Surur
    06-11-2007 05:45 PM
  21. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    if I were getting this phone, no sms or no mms would stop me, but I could see where it would be an issue.

    Especially for the beth ann and BFF Jill contingent. .
    06-11-2007 09:40 PM
  22. braj's Avatar
    Chat via SMS maybe?

    Surur
    I don't know, my w600i has a full-fledged POP/IMAP email client, Yahoo/MSN/AIM chat client, WAP browser. (actually reluctantly got a Treo because my TX digitizer is dying, the phone is pretty "smart" actually) Personally I think they are content with a $20 unlimited data plan from most people. That's some good money, I pay about the same for my home DSL.

    I think this is more of an issue of Apple wanting to get the phone out the door before the competition can catch up (and not really being ready) so it is still "5 years ahead" than any nefarious plan between Apple and AT&T. Besides, isn't the iPhone going to be tied to a $500 pricetag for 2 years/$40 a months unlimited data plan like Treos are anyway? That's how they get people, by saying you get a savings if you sign the contract. I bought an unlocked phone simply to avoid the contract and the $20 more a month for unlimited SMS/MMS. I can make due with 200 messages per month.

    The iPhone's web browser is certainly looking to be top of it's class, and the phone OS and hardware also seem the best out there, but I feel a Treo is still a better device for me right now. But iPhone 2.0 may change that, especially if they can get the size and then cost down a bit.
    06-12-2007 02:49 AM
  23. surur's Avatar
    You know your w600i is actually a proper Symbian smartphone, cunningly hidden inside an innocuous shell. It runs the same foundation as the Nokia E62 etc.

    Its a pity the Iphone does so much less than a simple Symbian smartphone.
    Look here for much more NATIVE software for your smartphone.
    http://www.my-symbian.com/main/index3.php

    Surur
    06-12-2007 03:59 AM
  24. braj's Avatar
    You know your w600i is actually a proper Symbian smartphone, cunningly hidden inside an innocuous shell. It runs the same foundation as the Nokia E62 etc.
    Actually no, it runs Ericsson's OS, I've been using it for years and years and it isn't Symbian, it isn't compatible. But it is a great little phone (I like the SE OS a lot too) and my wife now happily uses it. Lots of years of fine tuning the interface has made a very mature UI, for one-handed operation it beats a Treo hands-down. It even has a little movie maker app that you can add titles, transitions, and edit movies with it, then send them via email or MMS. I would love to see that on a Treo. Which just goes to show you that Palm really doesn't do much to enhance the user experience of their devices. Apple on the other hand may be missing some things right now but I fully trust they will get it all dialed in very soon. The fit and finish of their products is probably the best in the business, and though they aren't the best bang for buck in features it is hard to put a price on something as subjective as usability or pride of ownership. I'm sure the great majority of iPhone 1.0 users will be ecstatic, and we'll all be a bit jealous, even as we accurately point out it's flaws.
    06-12-2007 05:33 AM
  25. marcol's Avatar
    You know your w600i is actually a proper Symbian smartphone
    Are you thinking of the m600i?

    http://www.symbian.com/phones/se_m600.html

    There's a useful list of Symbian phones at that site. Index:

    http://www.symbian.com/phones/index.html
    06-12-2007 06:13 AM
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