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  1. surur's Avatar
    Obviously they needed a clear line of sight to the screen for the camera to show the display properly but you could clearly see that the guy was navigating through everything using just one finger which is easily accomplish able with one hand which will be the actual normal usage.

    As for not being the brightest bulbs...... the word you were looking for was "weren't" not "went".

    Pot, meet kettle.
    I'm glad you acknowledge your dumbness. Exactly how did the video demonstrate the IPhone had good one-handedness? It wasn't used even once with one hand.

    Surur
    06-04-2007 06:06 PM
  2. archie's Avatar
    Yes, it was amazing how he was able to do EVERYTHING with ONE HAND!!!!! while holding the device with the other hand of course.

    I knew IPhone fans went the brightest bulbs but this is getting ridiculous.

    Surur
    Oh, BROTHER!

    Are you telling me you can't hold the Treo and tap and slide your thumb around the screen all with one hand? Any marginally, ambidextrous person can use this thing with one hand.

    Just try it with your Treo. Slide your thumb and tap around the front of the phone while holding it all with one hand.

    See.... easy.

    I can't believe this crap.

    Point of fact; it will actually be easier on the iPhone because the device is half as thin as the Treo (giving you more maneuverability) AND the keyboard is located farther away from the bottom of the device than the Treo, allowing for a more comfortable thumb movement range.

    This is basic ergonomics and again something surprisingly simple to solve... yet also surprisingly ridiculous that no one has solved it before. But, such is the lackluster-filled innovation of the smartphone manufacturers.
    06-04-2007 06:26 PM
  3. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Haha! That's hilarious! Even Apple admits the device requires two hands to operate -with their own video proof of the requirement. And this doesn't even consider the complete lack of tactile feedback on that screen. Result: iPhone requires 2 hands and at least one eye ( ) to operate it. How revolutionary! Even my TV remote control has a better interface than that!
    06-04-2007 08:29 PM
  4. archie's Avatar
    Haha! Kupe is the dumbest person on Earth and he is not even an Apple fan!
    06-04-2007 08:34 PM
  5. mdavis's Avatar
    I just saw the commercial on CBS tonight. I can tell you this: this has got to be the best mobile phone I've ever seen, and if I wanted a mobile phone with a few bells and whistles, I'd get it in a millisecond. It is really really hot. Or cool. But, in my view, it just doesn't make it as a smartphone. But it's a really good phone, and makes an even better commercial--perhaps the best I've very seen. Very cool. Very hot.
    06-04-2007 08:55 PM
  6. archie's Avatar
    I think its funny that everyone says its a phone for those that just want to be cool and don't care what it has to offer. The young and the uninformed. YET, here Apple is advertising away during programs like CBS Tonight and 60 minutes - programs whose audience is made up of the middle age and old age demographic. Folks who don't care about being cool particularly.
    06-04-2007 09:13 PM
  7. mdavis's Avatar
    Your mistake is not understanding the "middle age and old age demographic;" do you think they have anything else to look forward to except being cool? What you mean is you don't think they're cool. That doesn't mean they don't. For many of them, it's the first time they've been able to afford to be cool. If cool means having a particular phone.
    06-04-2007 09:17 PM
  8. naftalim's Avatar
    You do have a point. I am almost 52 ( I think Jobs is around the same age) which also means that I have been using technology for close to 30 years (First PC was an AppleIIe). So, yes, its less of a cool issue for me/us then functionality and beautiful design. I am only slightly a gadget person, I did have to get the Treo 750v right when it came out ;-)

    So the 50-60 year old of today is quite knowledgeable technically. In fact, I think many of us are more so than the 20-30 year olds, for whom this is what they grew up with. We had to fight with CP/M and DOS and dBase back when there was only a dot prompt. I find that my 27 year old niece is very comfortable with technology but cannot troubleshoot if something goes wrong.

    So, yes, I think that these days a product like the iPhone covers a broad demographic.

    Can't wait.


    I think its funny that everyone says its a phone for those that just want to be cool and don't care what it has to offer. The young and the uninformed. YET, here Apple is advertising away during programs like CBS Tonight and 60 minutes - programs whose audience is made up of the middle age and old age demographic. Folks who don't care about being cool particularly.
    06-04-2007 11:36 PM
  9. harps#IM's Avatar
    Reading the latest update from BoyGeninus, having the SIM inbuilt and not removable will be a big detraction for the iPhone! The last thing customers will want is to be locked in for ever and a day with the one phone carrier.
    The iPhone is not going to be what the Treo or BlackBerry is.
    The iPhone is an entertainment device, whereas the Treo & BlackBerry are business tools.
    06-04-2007 11:41 PM
  10. sxtg's Avatar
    No
    06-05-2007 01:18 AM
  11. LupeValenz's Avatar
    Bah, iPhone will be medium success, not huge because of the ATT agreement, the huge price tag. The Treo is more along a business phone while the iPhone is more along a multimedia phone.
    06-05-2007 01:24 AM
  12. Bronxboy's Avatar
    as of today - iPhone will be a huge success and Treo's days are numbered

    http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/06...apps/index.php
    06-05-2007 03:36 AM
  13. whmurray's Avatar
    Your mistake is not understanding the "middle age and old age demographic;" do you think they have anything else to look forward to except being cool? What you mean is you don't think they're cool. That doesn't mean they don't. For many of them, it's the first time they've been able to afford to be cool. If cool means having a particular phone.
    Next you will be for sending us to the ovens. We simply control far too much of the wealth. On the other hand, we were here first.

    [I would have plenty of money if the next three generations were not living from crisis to crisis.]
    06-05-2007 05:45 AM
  14. mdavis's Avatar
    Fifo!
    06-05-2007 09:12 AM
  15. G3Signal's Avatar
    sure the iphone will be a huge success- but palm is doing a good enough job of killing off the franchise on its own w/o any help from apple
    Exactly. I have a Treo 650 and can't stand it for all the crashing, bluetooth problems and sd card corruption. Just look at all the bugs the latest one has which is why I chose not go go with Palm anymore. I think Palm should have at least fixed all those problems and introduced Palm Linux but instead produced a device (Foleo) that is 10 years too late. I just can't believe anyone is taking the Foleo seriously at all.

    It's all personal preference and what works best for each individual, but Palm had years to come up with something innovative. Instead, they waited for Apple to do it along with all the other copy cats that will follow.
    06-05-2007 01:08 PM
  16. sxtg's Avatar
    Still no
    06-05-2007 01:43 PM
  17. sxtg's Avatar
    Exactly. I have a Treo 650 and can't stand it for all the crashing, bluetooth problems and sd card corruption. Just look at all the bugs the latest one has which is why I chose not go go with Palm anymore. I think Palm should have at least fixed all those problems and introduced Palm Linux but instead produced a device (Foleo) that is 10 years too late. I just can't believe anyone is taking the Foleo seriously at all.

    It's all personal preference and what works best for each individual, but Palm had years to come up with something innovative. Instead, they waited for Apple to do it along with all the other copy cats that will follow.
    I assume you're talking about the Iphone.

    When did putting an MP3 and some basic PIM together with a cell phone become innovative?
    06-05-2007 01:45 PM
  18. dstrauss#IM's Avatar
    Reading the latest update from BoyGeninus, having the SIM inbuilt and not removable will be a big detraction for the iPhone! The last thing customers will want is to be locked in for ever and a day with the one phone carrier.
    The iPhone is not going to be what the Treo or BlackBerry is.
    The iPhone is an entertainment device, whereas the Treo & BlackBerry are business tools.
    I was wondering how they were going to keep these things off T-Mobile...
    06-05-2007 01:47 PM
  19. Bronxboy's Avatar
    I guess my article shot over all of your heads.

    At first I was like many of you & had every reason to be since Steve Jobs said he wanted the I-phone to be closed to just apple & the way I feel is If a device ties my hands in any way I don’t want **** to do with it since We now all live in an age where connectivity and cross platform interoperability are the norm. But, now that he’s saying that wont be the case I believe that the i-Phone will likely catch up and eventually blow past Palms Treos as a public convergence device. Eventually with the proper software and hardware upgrades i also believe the i-Phone could become the De facto standard for business too. (granted it gets a decent battery life and professionals software)

    & for the record, I’m not an Apple fanboy. I don't own an I-Pod or a MAC because I hated DRM & such closed source architectures but since Jobs has finally addressed this I’m ready to take Apple more seriously.
    06-05-2007 04:01 PM
  20. surur's Avatar
    Eventually with the proper software and hardware upgrades i also believe the i-Phone could become the De facto standard for business too. (granted it gets a decent battery life and professionals software) .
    How do you figure this. Mac's never penetrated business in sufficient numbers, why would the IPhone? The IPhone would need to become a QWERTY smartphone to stand a chance, and would it still be as cool then?

    Surur
    06-05-2007 04:10 PM
  21. efudd's Avatar
    .... Eventually with the proper software and hardware upgrades i also believe the i-Phone could become the De facto standard for business too. ....


    in the same time the palm or MS or RIM (or whoever) products COULD get software and hardware upgrades to be much better.

    Or are you saying that you think apple just is better run so that now that they are entering the market they can catch up and overtake the incumbents by being quicker to improve upon their platform?

    That might be- I wouldn't really know myself to be honest.
    06-05-2007 04:32 PM
  22. sxtg's Avatar
    I guess my article shot over all of your heads.

    At first I was like many of you & had every reason to be since Steve Jobs said he wanted the I-phone to be closed to just apple & the way I feel is If a device ties my hands in any way I don’t want **** to do with it since We now all live in an age where connectivity and cross platform interoperability are the norm. But, now that he’s saying that wont be the case I believe that the i-Phone will likely catch up and eventually blow past Palms Treos as a public convergence device. Eventually with the proper software and hardware upgrades i also believe the i-Phone could become the De facto standard for business too. (granted it gets a decent battery life and professionals software)

    & for the record, I’m not an Apple fanboy. I don't own an I-Pod or a MAC because I hated DRM & such closed source architectures but since Jobs has finally addressed this I’m ready to take Apple more seriously.
    Nobody was lost on the article. It was vague and uncommital. Furthermore So what!? Macs have the ability to run windows based apps and still don't saturate the market. You cant even buy one (at least in my area) at a brick n mortar Best Buy.
    06-05-2007 04:40 PM
  23. mdavis's Avatar
    I guess my article shot over all of your heads.
    ...
    Hardly. It was easy to understand, it's just that my voice has gone up three registers after that wild pitch. Without keys, this is basically very attractive dude candy. People with a sweet gadget tooth (and that's most people, which is why I think it will be a phenomenal success) will buy it in droves. Those of us who want a serious computer will look for something else, because without a keyboard and truly open architecture (not the lob that Jobs tossed), we won't get the most productive product.
    06-05-2007 04:49 PM
  24. whmurray's Avatar
    I was wondering how they were going to keep these things off T-Mobile...
    Simple. Price and locking.
    06-05-2007 09:25 PM
  25. Bronxboy's Avatar
    Hardly. It was easy to understand, it's just that my voice has gone up three registers after that wild pitch. Without keys, this is basically very attractive dude candy. People with a sweet gadget tooth (and that's most people, which is why I think it will be a phenomenal success) will buy it in droves. Those of us who want a serious computer will look for something else, because without a keyboard and truly open architecture (not the lob that Jobs tossed), we won't get the most productive product.
    When I say "shot over all of your heads." I was not referring to anybody’s comprehension level. I was implying that you all missed reading it like a daydreaming catcher who misses a ball. Perhaps a bad assumption but given the fact nobody seemed to comment on Apples plans to open the phone up to developers I could not resist commenting.

    In response to everybody else; what this all comes down to is acceptance & personal preferences.

    In the case of acceptance in time you either will or you won’t accept the i-Phone as real competition to the Treo. At the moment why should you all? The phones not even out yet and when it does come to market it will need to prove its competently functional first.

    As for personal preference “well”, that speaks for itself.

    For the record I never said at any point that the I-Phone would definitely conquer the business market with this version of the i-phone (Although my first post is broad & I'm sorry about that.) I went on to say "with the proper software and hardware upgrades I also believe the i-Phone could become the De facto standard for business too. (Granted it gets a decent battery life and professionals software)" And I still stick to this statement. The past has shown us that Opening up to software developers like Palm & Microsoft did can only lead to good things. I just hope the developers can figure out ways to navigate thru their software as ingeniously as Apple has managed to navigate thru their OS.

    For the moment this phone is nothing but a multi media device but as it matures from the wants and needs of the people I think it could successfully replace a laptop just as Windows mobile is doing but with more ease of use.
    06-05-2007 11:44 PM
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