1. newtonjack's Avatar
    On CNBC today one of the reporters said with the iPhone you will need to download songs to your mac or PC then transfer to the iPhone. They said thats a huge drawback to the iPhone since most all current cellphones can get them right over the air to the phone, bypasing the need for downloading 1st to a PC. Is this true?
    03-19-2007 08:48 PM
  2. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    Since no one outside od Apple and its tech partners has even handled an iphone, much less loaded loaded music on one, what makes you think anyone here could possbly know the answer to that question?
    03-19-2007 09:03 PM
  3. dutchtrumpet's Avatar
    Since no one outside od Apple and its tech partners has even handled an iphone, much less loaded loaded music on one, what makes you think anyone here could possbly know the answer to that question?
    Because Steve Jobs said as much during his keynote. You must sync with your mac/pc in the same mannner as an iPod.

    No OTA (network or wifi) syncing of tunes.
    03-19-2007 09:20 PM
  4. questionfear's Avatar
    And to be fair, there are plenty of phones that don't allow it or only allow it for certain songs/certain situations. Treo 680 for one, which is also marketed as a consumer-friendly media phone. Also, and I am sure someone can confirm or deny this, but I am pretty sure some of the sony ericsson walkman phones don't allow over the air syncs/downloads.
    I agree though that it's probably a DRM implementation problem.
    03-19-2007 10:04 PM
  5. treoneo's Avatar
    what is the problem with drm? Just download from itunes OTA. same drm scenario applies.
    03-19-2007 10:07 PM
  6. oalvarez's Avatar
    if it's just like what i have to do with my ipod i could care less....

    no biggie for me
    03-19-2007 11:01 PM
  7. treoneo's Avatar
    it is no biggie for most but it seems backwards to not offer ota downloads of songs when a lot of basic cell phones today do that. Especially since the iphone is supposed to be a next generation phone. Maybe a next generation design & UI but past generation features.
    03-20-2007 12:25 AM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    probably...oh well
    03-20-2007 02:11 AM
  9. surur's Avatar
    There could be one legitimate reason - EDGE bandwidth is too low. Otherwise there are a lot of poorer reasons, starting from the Itunes client on the IPhone being far from full featured.

    Surur
    03-20-2007 03:44 AM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    it is no biggie for most but it seems backwards to not offer ota downloads of songs when a lot of basic cell phones today do that. Especially since the iphone is supposed to be a next generation phone. Maybe a next generation design & UI but past generation features.
    I have to agree with this!
    03-20-2007 02:10 PM
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    03-21-2007 07:52 PM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Hope that means they're looking into allowing OTA downloads! Great, because it would have been kind of weird to have an official iPod wifi phone and not be able to download from iTunes!

    That's one mistake Zune made, no OTA downloads from their own marketplace.
    03-22-2007 07:36 AM
  13. bigwalton's Avatar
    if it's just like what i have to do with my ipod i could care less....

    no biggie for me
    Bingo, no one at Apple would much care since no one's ever been able to do this with the iPod and it hasn't hurt their sales one bit.

    The TINY fraction of all cellphone users that actually do this (no one could ever convince me that it's more than some tenth of a percent of ALL--read business users included--actually bother with this) wouldn't merit the bother with making it happen.

    This way it's exactly like the iPod process everyone has come to know and love.

    If they do it great, but I wouldn't expect it.
    03-22-2007 06:03 PM
  14. surur's Avatar
    Bingo, no one at Apple would much care since no one's ever been able to do this with the iPod and it hasn't hurt their sales one bit.

    The TINY fraction of all cellphone users that actually do this (no one could ever convince me that it's more than some tenth of a percent of ALL--read business users included--actually bother with this) wouldn't merit the bother with making it happen.

    This way it's exactly like the iPod process everyone has come to know and love.

    If they do it great, but I wouldn't expect it.
    In other words, you may as well just have taped your Ipod to your Razr.

    Surur
    03-22-2007 06:39 PM
  15. bigwalton's Avatar
    In other words, you may as well just have taped your Ipod to your Razr.

    Surur
    Exactly! That would get you a nice, wide-screen iPod and phone in a tight little package, all of which integrates seamlessly with iTunes
    03-23-2007 08:56 AM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Bingo, no one at Apple would much care since no one's ever been able to do this with the iPod and it hasn't hurt their sales one bit.

    The TINY fraction of all cellphone users that actually do this (no one could ever convince me that it's more than some tenth of a percent of ALL--read business users included--actually bother with this) wouldn't merit the bother with making it happen.

    This way it's exactly like the iPod process everyone has come to know and love.

    If they do it great, but I wouldn't expect it.
    Wow, and I already know 5 people who do download stuff from Cingular OTA.

    It's also a good way to show Zune that what they did was so stupid by not allowing OTA downloads through wifi.
    03-23-2007 09:02 AM
  17. bigwalton's Avatar
    Wow, and I already know 5 people who do download stuff from Cingular OTA.
    Again, the people who are on here are so far from the "norm" of cellphone users that this doesn't surprise me at all. So you know 5, how many people do you know that have cellphones in total?

    We're all looking at this from a very skewed perspective out here in cool-gadget-power-phone-user land.

    Everyone on this forum could know 20 people who download songs OTA and it still wouldn't change my opinion on the percentage of cell phone users that do it, given how ubiquitous cell phones are.

    My father has a cellphone, (a Treo even) and knows probably 500 people who also have them, and I'd bet HUGE money that not one of them even knows if they could download songs OTA.
    03-23-2007 09:10 AM
  18. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    They beat you over the head with ads that tell you you can do it. Or the phone is loaded with "download from your carrier" stuff. How can people be missing all that?
    03-23-2007 09:20 AM
  19. surur's Avatar
    If they are buying songs from Itunes they could as easily buy them OTA. Why is that so hard to imagine? If you cant download music on your connected device where is the synergy of a converged device? You may as well tape your Razr to your Ipod.

    Surur
    03-23-2007 09:37 AM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    Again, the people who are on here are so far from the "norm" of cellphone users that this doesn't surprise me at all. So you know 5, how many people do you know that have cellphones in total?

    We're all looking at this from a very skewed perspective out here in cool-gadget-power-phone-user land.

    Everyone on this forum could know 20 people who download songs OTA and it still wouldn't change my opinion on the percentage of cell phone users that do it, given how ubiquitous cell phones are.

    My father has a cellphone, (a Treo even) and knows probably 500 people who also have them, and I'd bet HUGE money that not one of them even knows if they could download songs OTA.

    100% agree with you, but then again, i always seem to be in the minority.

    there are 200mm++ cell phone users in the U.S. alone....treocentral is hardly even a sample......
    03-23-2007 12:17 PM
  21. Malatesta's Avatar
    Everyone on this forum could know 20 people who download songs OTA and it still wouldn't change my opinion on the percentage of cell phone users that do it, given how ubiquitous cell phones are.
    Or instead of guessing and just saying what you think the market is like, you could read and cite an article on the topic that may give some perspective:

    --> Portable music's future could be in your phone


    Sprint says it has sold 8 million songs to date since opening its music store in 2005. Verizon says it is selling 1 million songs a month
    In Asia, people now listen to music on their phones more than they do on music players, says Strategy Analytics analyst Chris Ambrosio. He sees no reason this shift won't happen here.
    It also discusses the problems with people adopting the technology (e.g. a lot don't know they can do it) and where the market is going.

    If you think OTA is not the going to be huge, then you should talk to Sprint, Verizon, Cingular, etc. about their OTA services and what a waste it is. Clearly they see money to be made.

    Of course having said that, for myself I think OTA services are dumb. Then again I think ring-back tones are stupid too and yet those seem to be huge.

    Finally there is this, which Apple has to contend with too:
    According to a survey conducted by RBC Capital Markets, about 75 percent of roughly 1,000 people polled said they had no interest in watching TV on their cell phones. And about 70 percent said they didn't see themselves using their cell phones for musical entertainment.
    (link)
    03-24-2007 01:28 AM
  22. oalvarez's Avatar
    wow...as i thought....75% don't watch video on their handhelds....small sample (1000 people) but a very telling statistic. i still yet to come across that individual who makes up the 25% group! perhaps i have in that many on this board do. on a side note, i think that apple will be able to better capture the consumer who wants to watch video because of the one-stop aspect and simplicity of shopping on iTunes.
    03-24-2007 11:30 AM
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