1. bloodycape77's Avatar
    Those are the people the 80GB was made for, and now it looks like it's time for the 100GB, LOL!

    I notice some of those people are using Lossless. That's a high quality format. You can increase your files sizes big time using that! I got a 24-25MB song once, that adds up. So I stuck with high quality MP3 and AAC, and even those can end up 10MB or more if the song is 7 min. long., which many are.
    Archos right now has 100gig and 160gb players out on the market you can buy.
    03-23-2007 01:33 PM
  2. ls3mach's Avatar
    I just checked, since my HDD crashed last year, my music server has just over 50GB of music. I used to have MUCH more than that, but time doesn't permit me to add to my collection as much as I would like.

    To answer the question, 4GB or 8GB is plenty for me and casual listening. I ideally want to be able to carry ALL of my media with me wherever I go. With an iPod or similar MP3 player this is an option, since they have 80GB+ models. I will not be buying an iPhone as I don't use my phone as an MP3 player too much, but I want access to my stuff 24-7. I currently have ORB setup on my server, but the damn thing goes down too much. I assume due to me having more audio files than it really supports. I guess I need to look into some sort of streaming FTP or HTML setup. Anyone have any suggestions.
    03-23-2007 02:42 PM
  3. marcol's Avatar
    you are correct. they have 100's of gb's in their itune libraries. that is a fact. and that must mean that they need 100's of gb's of storage space on their Treos so to have those 100's of gb's of music with them "at all times." they then go out and buy 100's and 100's $'s worth of Lion extended batteries to listen to the 100's of gb's of music that they carry with them at all times. they like to listen to music all the time. they really like music because they have 100's of gb's of music in their itune libraries.

    good for them.
    Either I didn't make the point clearly enough or you're deliberately misunderstanding. Having lots of music with you is about having lots of choice, and having your whole music collection with you means you can choose anything you want from your music collection. It's really very simple!

    Perhaps you can predict in the morning what you're going to want to listen to on the journey home, but I can't
    03-25-2007 06:11 AM
  4. Christinac130's Avatar
    Either I didn't make the point clearly enough or you're deliberately misunderstanding. Having lots of music with you is about having lots of choice, and having your whole music collection with you means you can choose anything you want from your music collection. It's really very simple!

    Perhaps you can predict in the morning what you're going to want to listen to on the journey home, but I can't
    That's the same point I was making...
    03-25-2007 09:03 AM
  5. marcol's Avatar
    That's the same point I was making...
    Didn't mean to steal your thunder I originally posted to support those of you suggesting more is better when it comes to storage and kept it going because oalvarez reponded to one of my posts. I hope we can still be friends
    03-25-2007 09:49 AM
  6. oalvarez's Avatar
    what i don't need is my entire collection of music on my phone. that is what i don't need. if you want your entire collection of music on your phones, great! i'd rather have additional storage for other more applicable and useful files than having every single song available to me that i couldn't ever listen to unless i was doing nothing for very long periods of time!

    hey, if having 100gb's of music stored on your phone is important to you then more power to ya! this user can do with LOTS less. it is that simple.
    03-25-2007 12:40 PM
  7. archie's Avatar
    The projected storage numbers are always reduced by high bit rate files, which is what I use.

    Anyway with an expansion slot, maybe I could put an 8GB in there and I can get the near 15GB I need.
    2000, 1000... whatever, you still have 5 to 10 more than your 200.
    03-25-2007 01:36 PM
  8. archie's Avatar
    On the expansion card, I'd put videos, maybe more music, and some audiobooks.

    And here's what you're missing in my case. Another reason I need all that music is so I DON'T have to keep syncing. I have much of what I want already on the iPod. Also videos take up more space than music. If I want videos on the iPhone, I'm then going to have to ration even more space.

    I actually don't seriously use phones for music unlike others. Until the iPhone came into view as a chance to dump the iPod, that is.
    If you don't want to keep syncing there are websites that would be available to the iPhone that would allow streaming of content you have at home.

    Anyway; the whole purpose of syncing is to (well OK, one of the purposes of syncing) is to access new content... new songs you purchase, new CDs you RIP, new movies that are released, new TV shows that get aired,new podcasts, whatever. And a great majority of people will not want to watch the same TV show over and over again. They will want to watch the newest episode that gets aired, so that means they will have to load it onto the iPod or iPhone or Treo or whatever.

    THIS MEANS SYNCING.

    You have to do it with your Treo, you have to do it with your iPod... you have to do it with your iPhone; so no one can get on this forum and honestly spout off how poorly the iPhone is designed because you have to... *gasp* sync it.
    03-25-2007 01:45 PM
  9. archie's Avatar
    I've got more responses but they will have to wait.
    03-25-2007 01:47 PM
  10. Christinac130's Avatar
    Didn't mean to steal your thunder I originally posted to support those of you suggesting more is better when it comes to storage and kept it going because oalvarez reponded to one of my posts. I hope we can still be friends
    I was just trying to tell you, I've got your back...

    It doesn't matter anyway. Some of us need the option to expand the storage in our devices, some don't. I can tell by the numerous iPhone threads that both sides will not ever see eye to eye.
    03-25-2007 10:29 PM
  11. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    If you don't want to keep syncing there are websites that would be available to the iPhone that would allow streaming of content you have at home.

    Anyway; the whole purpose of syncing is to (well OK, one of the purposes of syncing) is to access new content... new songs you purchase, new CDs you RIP, new movies that are released, new TV shows that get aired,new podcasts, whatever. And a great majority of people will not want to watch the same TV show over and over again. They will want to watch the newest episode that gets aired, so that means they will have to load it onto the iPod or iPhone or Treo or whatever.

    THIS MEANS SYNCING.

    You have to do it with your Treo, you have to do it with your iPod... you have to do it with your iPhone; so no one can get on this forum and honestly spout off how poorly the iPhone is designed because you have to... *gasp* sync it.
    I wasn't talking about it being poorly designed due to syncing. That's to be expected. All I asked is will there be enough storage for some. Like those who like to carry a lot of music for whatever reason. I cannot replace my iPod for a convergent device. I want to reserve space for apps and important stuff too, which means less space for the entertainment. And in essence, I'd have yet another extra iPod, if I buy the iPhone. I honestly don't need anymore iPods.

    I just loaded another 4GB of music, BTW. But what I'm going to do is try again with the smaller amount of music and see if I can do with 2-3GB for the day. But it will mean syncing every night.

    Which is why I agree with Marcol and Christina, more is better so you don't have to sync as much.
    03-26-2007 02:46 AM
  12. oalvarez's Avatar
    sounds like your question has been answered. there will not be enough storage for yourself, marcol, and christina. there will be enough storage for others.

    2-3gb just for one day? i have 2.65gb equating to 568 items in my itunes library. holy smokes!
    03-26-2007 08:12 AM
  13. surur's Avatar
    You only have 568 songs ?!? Thats only about an album a month x 4 years. No wonder storage is meaningless to you. I've got 4000+ in my library, and its not even that big.

    Surur
    03-26-2007 09:07 AM
  14. marcol's Avatar
    sounds like your question has been answered. there will not be enough storage for yourself, marcol, and christina. there will be enough storage for others.
    Some others. Apple have been offering 20 GB or 20+ GB iPods alongside lower capacity players since 2002 so there's obviously a market for devices with lots of storage and I guess this means plenty of people have big libraries.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod
    03-26-2007 12:06 PM
  15. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    sounds like your question has been answered. there will not be enough storage for yourself, marcol, and christina. there will be enough storage for others.

    2-3gb just for one day? i have 2.65gb equating to 568 items in my itunes library. holy smokes!
    What bit rate do you rip at? I have one list at 543 equalling 3.51GB(that's the playlist for about 2 days). If using high bit rates, it equals less songs. However, I'm still adding music.
    03-26-2007 12:17 PM
  16. oalvarez's Avatar
    You only have 568 songs ?!? Thats only about an album a month x 4 years. No wonder storage is meaningless to you. I've got 4000+ in my library, and its not even that big.

    Surur
    yes, that is all i have in my "iTunes library." my cd collection is another story.
    03-26-2007 01:38 PM
  17. archie's Avatar
    That not true I may watch a tv at least 3 times in the same week if it was good.
    I was talking about one particular episode: like say that last episode of "Lost". Not TV shows in general.

    Once again, my point is lost on forum members not reading what I write.
    03-27-2007 11:46 AM
  18. archie's Avatar
    It doesn't matter anyway. Some of us need the option to expand the storage in our devices, some don't. I can tell by the numerous iPhone threads that both sides will not ever see eye to eye.
    It's not that I wouldn't like to be able to expand storage in the devices that I use; it's just that I look at these devices differently than you. It IS in our nature to feel that we should purchase more than we think we may need, to be prepared, to be "better safe than sorry", and to make sure we are "keepin' up with the Joneses". That is what drives our need to feed our desires for the latest and greatest feature-packed products.

    Turning our attention to the iPhone now:

    Having not experienced the iPhone, all that anyone can go on are specs. This is what people base their judgement of the product on because they cannot see it and experience it and touch it. Apple, Inc. has not, does not, and probably will not ever design a product to compete and beat another company's product specs. But they will design it so that it will be a good experience to use. A warm and human experience. They have done this for 30 years and there is no indication they will change.
    03-27-2007 11:51 AM
  19. archie's Avatar
    I use specific playlists where the music obviously isn't repeated.

    But when I ask the iPod to shuffle everything, I get either the same artist, album, genre or song within a short period of time. It went through 5 of the same genre just the other day. And I have an even mix of everything on there. I just loaded more music on there, let's see if that helps.
    YOU HAD THE iPOD SET TO SHUFFLE AND YOU HAD 2 SONGS PLAYED IN A ROW FROM THE SAME GENRE?!?!

    I'm not sure what to say...
    03-27-2007 11:51 AM
  20. archie's Avatar
    Or maybe it's just that you don't live with them, and don't really know what others may need for their own usage. You just assume by what you do that everyone else is the same.
    oalvarez first wrote:

    i respect what it is that you all might say but i have 585 songs occupying 2.65gb's in my itunes library....is it a necessity to have all of them on my pda/phone? i don't think so. my ipod exists for dedicated purposes, i don't expect or require my pda to replace such.

    i'm surprised it's such a necessity for so many of you...seriously

    I wrote:

    I'm surprised too. They are making irrational excuses and trying to defend them with specs and numbers. Actual usage cannot be measured with numbers.

    Phone Diva wrote:

    Or maybe it's just that you don't live with them, and don't really know what others may need for their own usage. You just assume by what you do that everyone else is the same.

    My response:

    Have you ever heard of the Delphi Method? It is what Steve Jobs uses to judge what comes out of Apple, Inc. It also serves to explain why the iPod nano has proven to be the sweet spot of music players and why that amount of memory is used as the basis for the iPhone.

    I DO know what the usage of the majority is. And I might add that it is no accident that my needs happen to fall in line with the products that Apple designs. I AM the majority. And many times I don't know what my needs are until I have used a product from Apple.

    No, it is not because I drink the Kool-Aid. It is because Apple knows how to design a product that fits the overwhelming majority's needs; unlike other companies who design the majority's needs to fit their product.

    I am not trying to tell you that your desire for unlimited music is dumb, you have the right to want whatever it is that you think you need.
    But, it's just that this desire stems from the technolgy's shortcomings.



    I'm sure you personally have said it before, but the people here on TreoCentral are a small slice of the many phone (gadget) users, numbering in the billions worldwide. Their needs do not constitute a majority. The members of TreoCentral do not see where the future is going because they are too enamored with specs. Specs do not reveal the usage of a phone.

    I suppose I should step off my soap box now because this post is becoming overly analytical and perhaps inappropriate for this particular thread.

    Now you can curse me for seemingly insulting TreoCentral users.
    03-27-2007 12:04 PM
  21. archie's Avatar
    Some others. Apple have been offering 20 GB or 20+ GB iPods alongside lower capacity players since 2002 so there's obviously a market for devices with lots of storage and I guess this means plenty of people have big libraries.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod
    What this chart fails to indicate is the overwhelming popularity of the iPod nano, a player with 4GB of storage.

    Of all the iPods sold, this level of storage has proven to be the most popular.
    03-27-2007 12:06 PM
  22. Malatesta's Avatar
    What this chart fails to indicate is the overwhelming popularity of the iPod nano, a player with 4GB of storage.

    Of all the iPods sold, this level of storage has proven to be the most popular.
    Only b/c the 8gb nano is so new. 4gb was all you could get before. Everyone wanted the nano because of the size/form factor, but wanted more space.

    I'd like to the see the numbers in a year: 8gb vs 4gb. I have a feeling 8gb will top the 4's and something will top the 8's if higher sizes are available (<-- key word)
    03-27-2007 03:06 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    I'm sure you personally have said it before, but the people here on TreoCentral are a small slice of the many phone (gadget) users, numbering in the billions worldwide. Their needs do not constitute a majority. The members of TreoCentral do not see where the future is going because they are too enamored with specs. .
    yep.
    03-27-2007 04:17 PM
  24. Malatesta's Avatar
    I'm sure you personally have said it before, but the people here on TreoCentral are a small slice of the many phone (gadget) users, numbering in the billions worldwide. Their needs do not constitute a majority. The members of TreoCentral do not see where the future is going because they are too enamored with specs. Specs do not reveal the usage of a phone.
    But that's kind of the point, isn't it?

    Here were at Treocentral not the majority of users yet a significant piece of the market (at least the "high end" market) and users on here on trying to convince us of how the iPhone is supposed to compete with or replace our current devices.

    But like I said in other posts: the iPhone is not in the same class as smartphones/ppcs/pdas/Treos etc. They're aiming at a different market (not the majority as the cellphone majority could never afford an iPod let alone an iPhone).

    I'm glad you have at least come around and acknowledged this fact archie.

    Seems like just the wrong place period to be having the debate since we constitute a different market with our different needs.

    The "future" is whatever the market decides it to be, which usually means a range of devices from simple cell phones, to business orientated smartphones to highend consumer "converged" devices. Much like every other electronics market. Not exactly rocket science arch.
    03-27-2007 04:27 PM
  25. bloodycape77's Avatar
    I was talking about one particular episode: like say that last episode of "Lost". Not TV shows in general.

    Once again, my point is lost on forum members not reading what I write.
    yeah I can watch the same episode 3 times in the same week and I am not talking about a show like Family Guy either but a drama like House, L World or Dark Angel.
    03-27-2007 04:30 PM
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