1. archie's Avatar
    What if you want something other than music? Movies, Audio Books and eBooks would take up a ton of that memory too...
    Yes, and unlike music, when you have viewed a movie or TV show or a book, you don't want to watch it again for a great while so you get rid of it. Sync up new content.
    03-22-2007 04:21 PM
  2. archie's Avatar
    i respect what it is that you all might say but i have 585 songs occupying 2.65gb's in my itunes library....is it a necessity to have all of them on my pda/phone? i don't think so. my ipod exists for dedicated purposes, i don't expect or require my pda to replace such.

    i'm surprised it's such a necessity for so many of you...seriously
    I'm surprised too. They are making irrational excuses and trying to defend them with specs and numbers. Actual usage cannot be measured with numbers.
    03-22-2007 04:24 PM
  3. archie's Avatar
    I need 200. I need variety and 60 won't cut it. I don't want to carry an extra drive.
    How about 2000. Will that cut it ? ...because that is what the iPhone will give you.
    03-22-2007 04:25 PM
  4. archie's Avatar
    This is why an expansion slot on the iPhone would be great!
    But it would still be 8GB!!!!
    03-22-2007 04:26 PM
  5. archie's Avatar
    Thats 2.06. Anyway, remember, the Iphone is not meant to replace the Treo, as alone its not as good a Smartphone as a Treo. Its meant to replace a Treo and an Ipod, and it seems a sub-par video Ipod replacement, due to the low storage.

    Surur
    thanks on the correction. i simply find it interesting that so many people's storage needs have increased so dramatically from what they currently have on their treos. that's what i find interesting. i look at the iphone as another device offering to choose from, not just as a replacement for my current phone/ipod. but hey, that's just me.

    regards
    Actually surur, the iPhone IS meant to compete and replace the Treo. That is why it was directly compared to it on multiple occasions during a keynote address.

    Oh and if 8 hours of tv shows is not enough for you before you are able to sync up the next week's episodes, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe "get a life".
    03-22-2007 04:29 PM
  6. archie's Avatar
    I don't think people's storage needs have changed "all of a sudden". Even though Palm states the maximum SD support is 2gb, a lot of us have the 4gb and 8gb cards working in our Treos. The other difference is the ability to add more storage. The iPhone will come with a maximum of 8gb, where the Treo is virtually unlimited because you can switch between as many cards as you'd like.
    Ugg! Keeping track of all those cards that you envision giving you virtually unlimited storage is a pain. Worrying about the card popping out... a pain, syncing content of folder structures properly is impossible, swapping multiple cards... again a pain I'd rather not have, creating an accessible directory of unmounted SD card content is impossible, SD card speeds are inferior compared to flash memory like that of the iPhone. I could go on but needless to say, I much prefer Apple's chosen solution - simple and clean.
    03-22-2007 04:33 PM
  7. Christinac130's Avatar
    Ugg! Keeping track of all those cards that you envision giving you virtually unlimited storage is a pain. Worrying about the card popping out... a pain, syncing content of folder structures properly is impossible, swapping multiple cards... again a pain I'd rather not have, creating an accessible directory of unmounted SD card content is impossible, SD card speeds are inferior compared to flash memory like that of the iPhone. I could go on but needless to say, I much prefer Apple's chosen solution - simple and clean.
    Wow...you've missed us!

    I have no opinion one way or another about the iPhone, I was merely stating that more memory is possible with the Treo and not the iPhone.

    Did you have a nice trip? I can see the iPhone threads will have a lot more fire in them now...you were missed
    03-22-2007 05:28 PM
  8. surur's Avatar
    Actually surur, the iPhone IS meant to compete and replace the Treo. That is why it was directly compared to it on multiple occasions during a keynote address.

    Oh and if 8 hours of tv shows is not enough for you before you are able to sync up the next week's episodes, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe "get a life".
    Maybe with 9 posts in a row you need to get a life.

    Surur
    03-22-2007 06:43 PM
  9. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    How about 2000. Will that cut it ? ...because that is what the iPhone will give you.
    The projected storage numbers are always reduced by high bit rate files, which is what I use.

    Anyway with an expansion slot, maybe I could put an 8GB in there and I can get the near 15GB I need.
    03-23-2007 08:29 AM
  10. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Seriously, what would you put in this expansion slot if it had one. Is there a new affordable 9GB card out that I don't know about?

    It 's 8GBs. That's 5 and a half days of non-stop, non-repeated music! Most people sync their phones up at least every week, allowing you to get new music from iTunes if you want it.

    This isn't a problem in the real world; except for those that like to refer to technical specs and numbers, ignoring how the phone is in actual use. And even at that, I ask again, what phone gives you more storage than this for your music?
    On the expansion card, I'd put videos, maybe more music, and some audiobooks.

    And here's what you're missing in my case. Another reason I need all that music is so I DON'T have to keep syncing. I have much of what I want already on the iPod. Also videos take up more space than music. If I want videos on the iPhone, I'm then going to have to ration even more space.

    I actually don't seriously use phones for music unlike others. Until the iPhone came into view as a chance to dump the iPod, that is.
    03-23-2007 08:44 AM
  11. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Did you know that you can generate playlist content in a random manner from iTunes?

    Did you know that iTunes actually incorporates a Smart Shuffle randomizer to counteract this perceived un-randomness that users believe to be inherent with the iPod. It actually analyzes the random songs played and changes the likelihood of the user actually hearing the same songs, it does away with a sequential playback.
    I use specific playlists where the music obviously isn't repeated.

    But when I ask the iPod to shuffle everything, I get either the same artist, album, genre or song within a short period of time. It went through 5 of the same genre just the other day. And I have an even mix of everything on there. I just loaded more music on there, let's see if that helps.
    03-23-2007 08:53 AM
  12. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I'm surprised too. They are making irrational excuses and trying to defend them with specs and numbers. Actual usage cannot be measured with numbers.
    Or maybe it's just that you don't live with them, and don't really know what others may need for their own usage. You just assume by what you do that everyone else is the same.
    03-23-2007 09:16 AM
  13. Christinac130's Avatar
    On the expansion card, I'd put videos, maybe more music, and some audiobooks.

    And here's what you're missing in my case. Another reason I need all that music is so I DON'T have to keep syncing. I have much of what I want already on the iPod. Also videos take up more space than music. If I want videos on the iPhone, I'm then going to have to ration even more space.

    I actually don't seriously use phones for music unlike others. Until the iPhone came into view as a chance to dump the iPod, that is.
    This would be my problem with the iPhone. I want all my options in one place, that's why I went with the 8gb card in the first place. I don't want to have to keep going back to my PC and guessing at what mood I might be in for the next few days and then assemble the appropriate playlist to fit that possible mood. I want all my stuff within reach anywhere I am at any time...my music, books, audio books, movies and tv shows.

    I do use my Treo for entertainment, I don't see the need to own an iPod. It was the reason I went with a converged device in the first place. Now granted, I don't have NEAR the music others that use the 60gb and 80gb iPods have. But, I do like to carry my favorite shows and movies around with me. And contrary to others, I do like to watch them repeatedly...that would be why they're my favorites...

    Now...bash away
    03-23-2007 10:03 AM
  14. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    You're a good example of why we should be careful before assuming what others need or want in terms of storage. So is the person who showed me 7GB of music on his iPod, and that was before he loaded any videos. All the iPhone's space is blown right there, if he ever decides to use it. He said he was going to try it, but was going to try a Shuffle first(I don't know why not a Nano) to see if he can handle less space.
    03-23-2007 11:53 AM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    Ahhh, rational thinking and a logical solution.
    don't ya just love some of this stuff?
    03-23-2007 12:22 PM
  16. oalvarez's Avatar
    The projected storage numbers are always reduced by high bit rate files, which is what I use.

    Anyway with an expansion slot, maybe I could put an 8GB in there and I can get the near 15GB I need.

    15gb....what on earth? c'mon!
    03-23-2007 12:33 PM
  17. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I have about that much in ripped and/or bought music. Why would that surprise you? Or maybe you're just not a huge music fan like I am.

    Not sure how many GB in video, but that will also have to be taken into consideration.
    03-23-2007 12:37 PM
  18. oalvarez's Avatar
    But, I do like to carry my favorite shows and movies around with me. And contrary to others, I do like to watch them repeatedly...that would be why they're my favorites...

    Now...bash away
    no reason to bash....but when do you get to watch movies during the day? and if on a weekend, why not watch them on a TV or laptop? i can't think of one person i know who does so. again, i'm probably in the minority.

    this is why i love treocentral....it's not so much what one learns about Treos but what one learns about the consumer.
    03-23-2007 12:44 PM
  19. oalvarez's Avatar
    I have about that much in ripped and/or bought music. Why would that surprise you? Or maybe you're just not a huge music fan like I am.

    Not sure how many GB in video, but that will also have to be taken into consideration.
    i love music and play percussion instruments. i own an esoteric stereo sytem. i also have an enormous cd collection. i too have a collection of music on iTunes. we have many videos in our home library and watch them on a 50" plasma.

    my phone i speak on and respond to work emails. i sometimes check the news or sport scores. that's it. i know, i'm boring and not converged. oh well, my loss i suppose.

    15gb....only on treocentral.
    03-23-2007 12:55 PM
  20. marcol's Avatar
    15gb....what on earth? c'mon!
    I have 12 GB in my iTunes library and an 8 GB Nano. Annoys me sometimes when I realise I haven't synced something I want to listen to.

    People like to have all their music with them and lots of people have lots of music. That 12 GB doesn't even include all my CDs.
    03-23-2007 12:56 PM
  21. marcol's Avatar
    03-23-2007 01:01 PM
  22. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    i love music and play percussion instruments. i own an esoteric stereo sytem. i also have an enormous cd collection. i too have a collection of music on iTunes. we have many videos in our home library and watch them on a 50" plasma.

    my phone i speak on and respond to work emails. i sometimes check the news or sport scores. that's it. i know, i'm boring and not converged. oh well, my loss i suppose.

    15gb....only on treocentral.
    Is it a Bang and Olufsen(probably misspelled that, LOL!)? Those are so cool, but I never got one because I thought I could find good components for less.

    I barely use the Treo(or any other phone) for anything other than business also, BUT the iPhone is also an iPod. Steve Jobs said so . I was hoping I could use it for both iPod and phone. But I have found the larger capacity hard drive iPods are more for me because I'm only going to be adding more music and video. I just got a whole lot of music this week. And I'm not even done ripping all my favorites off my CDs.
    03-23-2007 01:09 PM
  23. oalvarez's Avatar
    you are correct. they have 100's of gb's in their itune libraries. that is a fact. and that must mean that they need 100's of gb's of storage space on their Treos so to have those 100's of gb's of music with them "at all times." they then go out and buy 100's and 100's $'s worth of Lion extended batteries to listen to the 100's of gb's of music that they carry with them at all times. they like to listen to music all the time. they really like music because they have 100's of gb's of music in their itune libraries.

    good for them.
    03-23-2007 01:11 PM
  24. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Those are the people the 80GB was made for, and now it looks like it's time for the 100GB, LOL!

    I notice some of those people are using Lossless. That's a high quality format. You can increase your files sizes big time using that! I got a 24-25MB song once, that adds up. So I stuck with high quality MP3 and AAC, and even those can end up 10MB or more if the song is 7 min. long., which many are.
    03-23-2007 01:18 PM
  25. bloodycape77's Avatar
    Yes, and unlike music, when you have viewed a movie or TV show or a book, you don't want to watch it again for a great while so you get rid of it. Sync up new content.
    That not true I may watch a tv at least 3 times in the same week if it was good.
    03-23-2007 01:26 PM
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