1. oalvarez's Avatar
    if a phone can't last all day on normal/average use and on an overnight charge, it too will make its way back to the manufacturer. well, at least any that i tried out did.
    04-09-2007 08:06 AM
  2. archie's Avatar
    Rated talk time on the Blackjack is 5.5 hours and the iPhone is 5 hours (and you always go by what the companies say), so I'm not sure how that's twice as much.
    I'm not sure why you included in parenthesis that little bit about "always going by what the companies say"; especially since Samsung does not list the expected battery life anywhere on their website or in any of the user guides or manuals that come with the phone.

    I justify my comments based on user experiences as reported all over the web as well as listed specs (3 hour talk time) from sites like:

    http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1066

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-i607-B...mUvbUpU1236085

    How can you justify your comments. No, really, I want to know.

    But before you respond, recognize the fact that Cingular's listed battery life specs are as published based on the multiple battery packagings they give customers; either 2 regular batteries or, as shipping most recently, the extended battery pack, which incidentally doubles the depth of the phone.

    Please recognize this and do not try to discredit what it is that I say with your disinformation campaign and heavily skewed and untrue facts.
    04-09-2007 01:32 PM
  3. Certs's Avatar
    I have zero problems with my Blackjack lasting the whole day, with the standard battery, unless I Sling for an extended period of time. MUCH better than the 750. But that's my own use, people will differ. And yes, I leave 3G on all day.

    There's no argument here until the iPhone is released. Company specs ALWAYS differ from consumer tests, so until the iPhone comes out we won't know anything.

    The speculation, however, is very credible. Web surfing, video watching, music listening, phone calls, all use quite a bit of battery. Treo's used to have internal batteries, but that didn't last long. Apple should learn from others' mistakes...
    04-09-2007 02:01 PM
  4. Malatesta's Avatar
    I'm not sure why you included in parenthesis that little bit about "always going by what the companies say"; especially since Samsung does not list the expected battery life anywhere on their website or in any of the user guides or manuals that come with the phone.

    I justify my comments based on user experiences as reported all over the web as well as listed specs (3 hour talk time) from sites like:

    http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1066

    http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-i607-B...mUvbUpU1236124

    How can you justify your comments. No, really, I want to know.

    But before you respond, recognize the fact that Cingular's listed battery life specs are as published based on the multiple battery packagings they give customers; either 2 regular batteries or, as shipping most recently, the extended battery pack, which incidentally doubles the depth of the phone.

    Please recognize this and do not try to discredit what it is that I say with your disinformation campaign and heavily skewed and untrue facts.
    Well, until you compare a 2g device to a 2g device and/or the iPhone is actually used in real-life situations I'm not sure what the point is really.

    It's funny that you can look up what users get for real-life talk time on the BJ and yet go by company specs for the iPhone and declare the latter the winner, merely on your faith in Apple.

    As I mentioned and you ignore, HSDPA devices consume more power--actually any 3g devices consumes more power than any 2.5g. So why compare a high-speed device with a slow, old generation one?

    Okay now Cnet said they got 11 hours of talk time on the HTC Dash even though it was only rated for 5 hours. That's a 2.5 g device with wifi. Or just look at any other review and people all say the same thing: fantastic battery life even when Wifi is on.

    Either way Archie: beating devices that have been out for 6+ months by an hour or just tying them for the same talk-time in battery life is hardly radical or amazing.
    04-09-2007 02:31 PM
  5. surur's Avatar
    I'm not sure why you included in parenthesis that little bit about "always going by what the companies say"; especially since Samsung does not list the expected battery life anywhere on their website or in any of the user guides or manuals that come with the phone.
    Archie, wrong again. Are you ever right?
    Dimensions: 4.45" x 2.32" x 0.46"
    Weight: 3.5 ounces
    Main Display: 320 x 240 Pixel, 65K TFT
    Color: Black
    Mode: Quad-Band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
    Talk Time: Up to 5.5 hours*
    Wireless Protocol: GSM
    Service Provider: Cingular
    http://forums.imore.com/e?link=http%...token=2lQWLJXO

    Of course the IPhone probably has a better chance of getting close to the maximum specified talk time, seeing how it uses a legacy technology (GSM) with poorer voice quality, which just happens to have lower power consumption.

    Surur
    04-09-2007 02:42 PM
  6. DaddyMac#WN's Avatar
    As I posted in another thread

    I am getting realy bored with reading the back and forth between Surur and his Apple bashing compatriots trying to beat up on Archie, just as I'm getting bored with Archie feeling the need to defend all things Apple.

    As my screen name implies, I am a big fan of all things Mac, but I have been a Palm user since the first Palm Pilot and Palm III. My main leaning towards these platforms, and products has always been their elegant design and user interface, and most of all the fact that they have historically played well together (something that has been less the case in recent years, but has been ameliorated by the advent of Missing Sync by Markspace)

    I am probably a more than average techy gadget buyer, but for me the big draw of Apple, especially since the birth of the iPod, is a seamless experience. I like gadgets and technology as much, if not more than, anyone, but I don't want to go through learning 17 steps to do anything where 1 click can do it all. I don't want to have to learn how to do anything, I'd rather it was intuitive, and I could simply deduce it.

    Is the sound quality of digital audio as good as the very expensive high end audiophile setups I have owned in the past? Probably not, but I don't really care. I like the fact that I can very simply carry all (or most, or even some) of my music around with me in a format that is easy to access, and easy to maintain and update. I don't listen to my iPod as much as I did because I'm realy busy, and I'm worried that I might miss a call. If the iPhone means I can listen to my music, or an audiobook, and not miss a call, all in one device, great, sign me up.

    I have never used my Treo 600, Treo 650, or Treo 680 for music. Could I have? I guess I could, but I never got around to doing all the stuff that that would involve. I just plug in my iPod and I'm good to go. The iPhone will do that and sync my contact info etc seamlessly. This is something Palm hasn't managed in some time (mixed up or double entered contact info, or worse contacts that have disappeared into the digital ether after many syncs)
    Will the iPhone be perfect? Probably not, but I don't know as I haven't used one yet (have you Surur or Archie, or Oalvarez, or anyone?). But from my experience with Apple so far, it will be pretty damn close.

    I think the reason most of us were drawn to Palm was that they had a simple user interface, and cool products. Palm has become the tech equivalent of "Fat, Stodgy, and Lazy". Apple has continued to innovate and move forward. They did this by controling all the parts of the equation, and dropping the parts that weren't moving them forward (transition to OS X, move to Intel, shutdown of clones etc). Palm dropped the ball by gripping on to the same outdated OS for grim death, rather than innovating their way out of that same grim death.

    I hope Palm can get their act together, and do something special, just as I hope England can win a World Cup again. I just won't cry into my beer when they don't. Until then........ Roll On June 11th
    04-09-2007 10:51 PM
  7. Certs's Avatar
    Why not just link the other thread??

    Anyway, its funny how you assume the iPhone will be a "seamless" experience. Could SOMEONE use the phone for 5 seconds first?????
    04-10-2007 02:19 AM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    As I posted in another thread

    Will the iPhone be perfect? Probably not, but I don't know as I haven't used one yet (have you Surur or Archie, or Oalvarez, or anyone?). But from my experience with Apple so far, it will be pretty damn close.
    i haven't, and i also haven't bashed or whole-heartedly promoted the iphone. my intention is to get one. if it works for me, i'll keep it. if it doesn't, it goes back, just like all of my Treos in the past have.

    you must have me confused for someone else.

    by the way, everything you wrote has been previously written.

    regards
    04-10-2007 07:46 AM
  9. marcol's Avatar
    Anyway, its funny how you assume the iPhone will be a "seamless" experience.
    He said that the syncing would be seamless, and specifically mentions music and contacts. Given that the iPod does (by any reasonable definition of the term) give seamless syncing, it would very surprising if the iPhone didn't too.

    Could SOMEONE use the phone for 5 seconds first?????
    I agree with that general sentiment, but I do think it's ok to speculate just a little as to what we might reasonably expect
    04-10-2007 08:17 AM
  10. surur's Avatar
    i haven't, and i also haven't bashed or whole-heartedly promoted the iphone.
    I guess he means we should stop discussing it all together. Where's the fun in that? Can we not talk about the merits or not of the Treo 755, WM6, or the latest blackberry until we hold it in our hand? How boring would that be?

    Surur
    04-10-2007 08:18 AM
  11. Certs's Avatar
    He said that the syncing would be seamless, and specifically mentions music and contacts. Given that the iPod does (by any reasonable definition of the term) give seamless syncing, it would very surprising if the iPhone didn't too.


    I agree with that general sentiment, but I do think it's ok to speculate just a little as to what we might reasonably expect
    Well, I have NEVER had a problem with Activesync, but all I hear about is how much it sucks. And I couldn't even tell you how many WM phones I've had. I'm not comparing one to another, like I said I'll wait till I try the iphone myself, but to assume things about a brand new 1st-gen device AND a 1st-gen OS is a bit premature. (I say 1st-gen OS because this is the first mobile OSX version, even though they claim its the same its obviously trimmed down considerably)

    But he has no right to complain about people assuming, when he himself is assuming things about the iPhone. I do think it will sync seamlessly with MAC, but what about PC/Outlook/Exchange? I can come up with tons of questions, but what's the point if no one can answer them....:o
    04-10-2007 10:22 AM
  12. marcol's Avatar
    Fair enough. I can't really argue with the wait-and-see approach. I've argued for it a couple of time myself in this forum and ultimately of course we won't know for sure until we try.

    Btw, I've only had three PPC/WM devices and I only used the first two with Windows (I'd moved to Macs by the third). With those two I had *lots* of ActiveSync problems. Never mind first gen, this was AS 3.x!
    04-10-2007 10:52 AM
  13. Certs's Avatar
    True enough, but speculation combined with Archie/Surur/Apple fanboys/Anti-apple banter gets me through my workday...

    Thats why I say seamless to one person may be far from it for another. Wait and see indeed...
    04-10-2007 11:06 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    True enough, but speculation combined with Archie/Surur/Apple fanboys/Anti-apple banter gets me through my workday...
    Me too!

    Surur
    04-10-2007 11:47 AM
  15. oalvarez's Avatar
    cool...we're all together and back on the same page....what was this thread about again?
    04-10-2007 08:10 PM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    The iPhone commercials, of which I am no longer seeing. Wonder why?

    Anyway, I see nothing's changed around here!
    04-11-2007 09:01 PM
  17. surur's Avatar
    The iPhone commercials, of which I am no longer seeing. Wonder why?
    You haven't seen this one then? :evil:



    http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-Dummies...mUvbUpU1237809

    Surur
    04-12-2007 02:30 AM
  18. Certs's Avatar
    I can't believe no one has reviewed this book yet. Unbelievable!
    04-12-2007 09:35 AM
  19. marcol's Avatar
    Spot the difference:



    Surur, you really are a very odd chap.
    04-12-2007 12:08 PM
  20. surur's Avatar
    Spot the difference:
    What difference? :evil:

    Surur
    04-12-2007 12:52 PM
  21. whmurray's Avatar
    What difference? :evil:

    Surur
    Looks to me like she is holding a Treo, not an iPhone. That really is iPhone for Dummies.
    04-12-2007 12:55 PM
  22. marcol's Avatar
    What difference? :evil:
    You should have put the apostrophe in then I'd never have noticed
    04-12-2007 01:03 PM
  23. surur's Avatar
    You should have put the apostrophe in then I'd never have noticed
    I actually debated that, but thought it would look too formal.

    Anyway, for the record, this is just an attempt to wind Archie up. Many people who buy the IPhone wont be dummies, my wife thinks its lovely and wants one, and I'm sure it will be very successful, sell in the millions and when the form factor differentiates take on the more established business smartphone market. Nokia, HTC, Sony Ericsson etc still have a few years to survive though.

    Surur
    04-12-2007 01:35 PM
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