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I must really bug you.
I don't think your bugging them. :shake: I think they just have a little iPhone envy.
I must really bug you.
Here's a dot you were probably wishing wouldn't show up.
MarketingWeek reports that:
Despite reports that Vodafone would be the iPhone carrier, sources are saying T-Mobile is favored to secure the deal. Both carriers have been active in the music area, but apparently Vodafone's Live! portal would not be a good match with Apple's iTunes software.
http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/item/56215/258/262/3He also points out that T-Mobile has little or no presence in Italy, Spain or France.
Actually Archie, I find your posts extremely amusing. Keep it up!I must really bug you.
I left it out because it makes NO difference to my point, but I didn't really expect anything else from you except this ridiculous rebutal.
Archie said:By the way, it's quite ironic you turned your attention to Italy, Spain and France because this is where I will have my full attention drawn to (plus Germany) for the next 3 weeks. So you can spin and spew and downplay the iPhone all you want.
As a (completely non-expert) observer of the market though, T-Mobile seems like a curious choice, at least to the extent that the rumours that Apple wanted a single carrier for Europe are true. T-Mobile are big in Germany (#1) and the UK (#2) and number of smaller countries but (according to Wikipedia) have nothing in France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland and many others:?
I'd agree that missing out on that market, and many other European markets, *would be* stupid, or at least rather strange. You write as if that's a done deal though, a conclusion which, AFAIK, has very little to support it. We don't know for sure that it will be T-Mobile and we don't know that it will be a single European carrier, and even if both of those turn out to be true, we don't know that Apple wouldn't offer the phone unlocked, direct to the consumer in some markets.In fact, as you pointed out to me earlier, Italy is one of the biggest smartphone consumer in Europe. Missing out on that market is just stupid.
I'd agree that missing out on that market, and many other European markets, *would be* stupid, or at least rather strange. You write as if that's a done deal though, a conclusion which, AFAIK, has very little to support it. We don't know for sure that it will be T-Mobile and we don't know that it will be a single European carrier, and even if both of those turn out to be true, we don't know that Apple wouldn't offer the phone unlocked, direct to the consumer in some markets.
My point, as you well know, was that speculation and unconfirmed rumour isn't fact. Treating it as such really doesn't help the debate.Wasn't me who produced the article
The European and American markets are pretty different of course (just look at how badly Nokia does, comparatively, in the US), but a recent survey of European mobile phone users from Canalys has some pretty interesting stuff:Judging the market from the American perspective (with its paucity of advanced phones) will give a very wrong impression of the potential market share of this device.
The European and American markets are pretty different of course (just look at how badly Nokia does, comparatively, in the US), but a recent survey of European mobile phone users from Canalys has some pretty interesting stuff:
iPod owners receptive to Apple as mobile phone provider
Respondents were asked to rate how likely they would be to choose different vendor brands for their next personal mobile phone. Unsurprisingly, Nokia came out as the clear leader, with almost half the respondents giving the vendor the highest rating and 84% saying they were more likely than not to consider it. Nokia was some way ahead of Sony Ericsson, which was followed closely by Samsung and then Motorola. Consumers? ratings of Apple gave it a mid-table position, behind LG, but marginally ahead of well-known smart mobile device vendors like RIM, HP and Palm. Given that the iPhone has not even shipped yet this gives an indication of how well its brand could play in the consumer mobile phone space, but it will still need to overcome the technical and channel-related challenges entry into this market brings.
?Apple?s rating improves dramatically when you talk to existing iPod owners,? said Pete Cunningham, senior analyst at Canalys. ?Almost half the respondents who owned an iPod rated Apple as more likely than not be considered for their next phone, compared to just 20% for those who didn?t have an iPod, and they were five times as likely to give Apple the highest rating. There is a lot of loyalty there that Apple can tap into.?
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2007/r2007053.htm
Quite impressive when you consider not only has the iPhone not shipped (anywhere) yet, in Europe, AFAIK, it hasn't even been advertised.
Canalys's data not mine.Your data above basically says Apple is in the same niche market as the smartphone OEM's, which is not the greatest place to be in the giant European cellphone market.
You're missing the point, which is that the iPhone is scoring so highly prior to its release. How do you think the first phones from HP, RIMM and Palm would have scored in Europe at the same point in their respective life cycles?Having a consumer targeted device scored better by consumers than business phones like from HP. RIMM and Palm is hardly remarkable and I am surprised you find it so.
Being only a bit ahead of HP certainly wouldn't be great if Apple had been making phones for several years, but that's clearly not case. I wonder how the numbers will look in a year's time?And you are missing the point that comparing favourably to HP in Europe is hardly an achievement.
Of course what really matters is how this translates into sales. Here are the most relevant numbers I could find ('smart mobile devices' for whole EMEA, Q3 2006):
Nokia 5.5 million, 75.2%
HTC 0.30 million, 4.1%
RIM 0.25 million, 3.5%
Sony Ericsson 0.22 million, 3.0%
HP 0.19 million, 2.5%
http://www.canalys.com/pr/2006/r2006102.htm
Care to have a stab at where Apple will be in that list in a years' time?