1. surur's Avatar
    Yes, aquariums are probably gaudy, which is why the PRADA theme is black, stylish and understated. I cant think of a phone UI more showy and overly bright than the IPhone. Look at all those primary colours! Gaudy is pretty appropriate. I wonder if Apple will allow you to change it.

    Surur
    02-03-2007 09:18 AM
  2. oalvarez's Avatar
    gaudy is not appropriate. colors are just that. would you be happy with pastels? i think many others with the exception of yourself are happy with what they see (the whole package) and a good reason for so many wanting to buy/try out the product when it hits the shelves.

    there is nothing tasteless about it
    02-03-2007 10:21 AM
  3. surur's Avatar
    When it comes to matters of fashion and taste I'm obviously wandering way out of my area of expertise, but I would have hoped PRADA knows something about the subject.

    Anyway, to draw a bit of line under this particular topic, when the Iphone will be sold in Europe the PRADA phone will present some competition to it amongst fashionistas.

    Surur
    02-03-2007 11:07 AM
  4. bclancy's Avatar
    echo "KTF" | tr 'K' 'W'

    My first reaction to this KTF phone was "so what". My first reaction to the Apple Phone, was: wow, really cool. (Perhaps too expensive and not exactly for me, but this thing will be a real winner.)

    I don't think the WTF phone has a touch screen,does it? (And that keybord really looks like it sucks big time!)
    02-03-2007 11:08 AM
  5. surur's Avatar
    One could summarize it as there is only one IPhone, with all the IPhone features and IPhone OS. There are however phones with some of the features, and there are phones with many of the features, and there are phones with more features, but no all of the IPhone features. Whether these phones do anything for you would depend if its the whole package which captivates you, or one particular stand out feature, which you may find in another phone also.

    Surur
    02-03-2007 11:37 AM
  6. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    I like the UI on my daughter's 810i (thanks for the advice you gave on that phone in another thread, btw) but it is a little cartoonish - no doubt to appeal to the younger generation. I do see what Surur's saying when he says the iP UI is 'fisher price' - I suspect Apple have half an eye on the youth market - but I still think they've done a cracking job with the way it looks. Not just the cleanliness and pretty icons, but the transitions, animations, etc. It really makes others look at bit dull IMHO. Perhaps I'm still a bit of kid at heart
    But those SE Walkman themes are COOL!! LOL! Plus did you try out the Orbit theme? And then you can download w810i themes galore!

    You're welcome, BTW.
    02-04-2007 01:05 AM
  7. specimen38's Avatar
    I have watched two Prada smartphone demos on YouTube.

    Prada phone demo on YouTube in French: Is it me, or is the User Interface really that bad?

    Also, has anyone seen the Prada used to browse the internet?
    02-05-2007 08:38 PM
  8. specimen38's Avatar
    What do yall think? Announced today...

    Samsung Smart F700
    02-09-2007 01:05 PM
  9. surur's Avatar
    It copies most of the bad things about the IPhone (closed OS, lack of important hard buttons), without the good things (massive storage, very slick UI), in a bulkier package. Not good.

    Surur
    02-09-2007 01:20 PM
  10. bloodycape77's Avatar
    What is sorta odd is Samsung is probably the one suppling Apple the flash memory for the iPhone(I know they suppling it for the nano), but yet their phone which I guess is suppose to competition does not come with it.
    02-09-2007 01:54 PM
  11. specimen38's Avatar
    Here is a better picture of Samsung's new phone.

    02-09-2007 04:49 PM
  12. Malatesta's Avatar
    "Zune Phone Confirmed! Launch Scenario! 4G WiMax Action! Rumors Off the WTF-o-Meter" (click to read more)
    We don’t wanna say we told you so, but, ya know, we did. On Monday, Microsoft filed a mystery application with the FCC for an enigmatic wireless device that could be used to talk over the Internet....
    So to summarize:

    - Zune Phone might be announced next month and released in May

    - It'll use Sprint's upcoming 4g Wimax technology

    - You could trade songs with your friends, anywhere in the US with Wimax

    Wow, this could get real interesting if all true. I love techno-drama.

    Now this can be accurately compared to the iPhone as opposed to the Q, Treo line, etc, which are more professional, business, PDA devices.

    Lets just hope it works well. Being Zune/MS, I have doubts but I think the 4g thing and no doubt lower price (Ballmer pretty much forced himself on that by mocking the iphone's cost) is a start in the right direction :o Plus I like Sprint so much more. Then again, I'm not in the market for a media/phone device so I don't really care how good it is, lol.
    02-09-2007 04:55 PM
  13. mobileman's Avatar
    Accroding to NewsWeek, Bill Gates says "no zune phone"

    http://www.myiphone.com/bill-gates-s...hone-09363.php
    02-09-2007 05:30 PM
  14. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    How about a new Zune player? The old one needs help!
    02-09-2007 05:31 PM
  15. Malatesta's Avatar
    Accroding to NewsWeek, Bill Gates says "no zune phone"

    http://www.myiphone.com/bill-gates-s...hone-09363.php
    Really?

    Call me crazy, but I did not read that and more accurately, they put

    "Bill Gates says "no zune phone"."

    He never said that and those are not his quotes. That's a completely misleading title, imo.

    He said:

    Q: Will Microsoft now change its mobile-phone strategy and adopt an end-to-end approach, the way Apple has with the iPhone?

    A: No, I don’t think so. People like different styling, media storage, capability [in phones]. The benefit we get from having lots of great hardware partners is pretty phenomenal. And our software can run on any one of those things.
    That sounded more like talking about WM5/WM6 since that is true, not about Zune. It also seemed more a question of overall strategy not about specific products.

    Plus, I'd really read the main article from Market Watch which I think completely contradicts the notion they are not working on some type of zune phone/voip/mobile device e.g. you still need to explain away the FCC filing.

    Microsoft says that the intended use of the device is "consumer broadband access and networking."
    So this might not be a "phone" in the traditional sense, but something more of a "mobile internet communications device". Interesting.
    02-09-2007 05:42 PM
  16. Chatter's Avatar
    I assume it's started to dawn on the iPhone fanboys that there world didn't stop when Apple announced their product. By the time it comes out, there will be a number of other phones sharing many of their features, and even some products with new features. The iPhone is going to be a terrific product, I'm sure, but it's not going to be earthshaking.

    Marc
    02-09-2007 07:10 PM
  17. Certs's Avatar
    SOME THOUGHTS:

    -4G is nowhere near ready for launch. Rev A is barely ready! If this is true, it better be backwards compatible. There is a possibility it will have EV also, but the article doesn't state that.
    -Referring to my first point, a 4G device in production stages ready by MAY???? Wimax is currently used in Asia, no? This might be an asia-only phone for a while, unless like I said before it is backwards compatible. Makes sense though, because most of Asia also uses CDMA technology.

    I guess my point is, what good is a 4g device in the US in May? The article states it uses 4g "instead of wifi or bluetooth," not mentioning anything about CDMA, EVDO, UMTS, GSM, etc. Is it possible to do both? Time to go do some homework...
    02-09-2007 07:27 PM
  18. Malatesta's Avatar
    SOME THOUGHTS:

    -4G is nowhere near ready for launch. Rev A is barely ready! If this is true, it better be backwards compatible. There is a possibility it will have EV also, but the article doesn't state that.
    -Referring to my first point, a 4G device in production stages ready by MAY???? Wimax is currently used in Asia, no? This might be an asia-only phone for a while, unless like I said before it is backwards compatible. Makes sense though, because most of Asia also uses CDMA technology.

    I guess my point is, what good is a 4g device in the US in May? The article states it uses 4g "instead of wifi or bluetooth," not mentioning anything about CDMA, EVDO, UMTS, GSM, etc. Is it possible to do both? Time to go do some homework...
    - 4G is slated to launch end of 2007. Granted, that's not May but sooner than later.
    - Wimax is cheap to add in especially if you already have Wifi in there. So I'd assume it'd have wifi too.
    - The Asia angle doesn't explain why they are filing with the FCC which has no jurisdiction outside the US, so I definitely see this as a US device (has MS ever released something overseas first?)

    Still, definitely more questions than answers at this point. Should be interesting to see if this is anything to get worked up over.
    02-09-2007 07:37 PM
  19. Certs's Avatar
    - 4G is slated to launch end of 2007. Granted, that's not May but sooner than later.
    - Wimax is cheap to add in especially if you already have Wifi in there. So I'd assume it'd have wifi too.
    - The Asia angle doesn't explain why they are filing with the FCC which has no jurisdiction outside the US, so I definitely see this as a US device (has MS ever released something overseas first?)

    Still, definitely more questions than answers at this point. Should be interesting to see if this is anything to get worked up over.
    I also now read the article referenced by the article you referenced (what did I say?)

    It seems wimax is the phones ONLY form of communication, at least that's what the article says :

    "A VoIP-enabled Zune would differ greatly from the iPhone, which is intended for use on cellular networks. AT&T Inc.'s Cingular Wireless network will be the first to carry the iPhone."

    And it also seems that 802.16 isn't bw compatible with 802.11...I dunno
    02-09-2007 07:53 PM
  20. specimen38's Avatar
    A part of our company switched to VoIP on land lines. And it's not so good. Lots of packets get lost. Has that been your experience? It can work, but it takes a lot of tweaking. Also, the voice quality is not what I have been accustomed to with PBX. I am not sure how accurate this is. But our IT staff at my company have repeatedly said VoIP is not so good for mobile devices in cars traveling faster than 10 miles per hour. It subjects the signal to more dropped packets. If you have a lot of experience with VoIP, I'd like to hear about it.

    "A VoIP-enabled Zune would differ greatly from the iPhone, which is intended for use on cellular networks. AT&T Inc.'s Cingular Wireless network will be the first to carry the iPhone."
    02-10-2007 12:33 AM
  21. Malatesta's Avatar
    A part of our company switched to VoIP on land lines. And it's not so good. Lots of packets get lost. Has that been your experience? It can work, but it takes a lot of tweaking. Also, the voice quality is not what I have been accustomed to with PBX. I am not sure how accurate this is. But our IT staff at my company have repeatedly said VoIP is not so good for mobile devices in cars traveling faster than 10 miles per hour. It subjects the signal to more dropped packets. If you have a lot of experience with VoIP, I'd like to hear about it.
    Whilst true now, I say the one caveat: Wimax = 2-16Mb upload/download speeds.

    That's just incredible bandwidth and the coverage is supposed to be better with ranges per tower at 4-10 miles realistically. (Theoretically is 30 miles).

    If you just google "VOIP" and "Wimax" you'll get a ton of positive and enthusiastic articles about the merging of the two e.g. VoIP and WiMAX = A Perfect Storm?. But alas, the proof is in the pudding as they say.
    02-10-2007 03:17 AM
  22. marcol's Avatar
    Here's Engadget's take on this latest rumour. They think it's probably not a Zune phone:

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/d...-probably-not/
    02-10-2007 03:23 AM
  23. Malatesta's Avatar
    Here's Engadget's take on this latest rumour. They think it's probably not a Zune phone:

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/10/d...-probably-not/
    Sounds about right. I'll go with engadget's assessment, makes more sense.
    02-10-2007 12:13 PM
  24. specimen38's Avatar
    Whilst true now, I say the one caveat: Wimax = 2-16Mb upload/download speeds.

    That's just incredible bandwidth and the coverage is supposed to be better with ranges per tower at 4-10 miles realistically. (Theoretically is 30 miles).

    If you just google "VOIP" and "Wimax" you'll get a ton of positive and enthusiastic articles about the merging of the two e.g. VoIP and WiMAX = A Perfect Storm?. But alas, the proof is in the pudding as they say.

    I read the article. Sounds like driving + VoIP + WiMax = potentially a promising future. It appears they fixed the problems with VoIP-WIFI and driving an automobile. Maybe? I presume freeway speeds would be the real test. Otherwise, it all sounds good, but quite a ways off.
    02-10-2007 12:19 PM
  25. bloodycape77's Avatar
    02-13-2007 04:51 PM
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