1. specimen38's Avatar
    01-24-2007 07:04 PM
  2. surur's Avatar
    More twisted logic - Jobs wants to protect people from 3rd party software, but if 95% of people wont install 3rd party software, so who is he actually protecting then?

    Apple fans are so full of excuses.

    Surur
    01-31-2007 07:05 PM
  3. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    omg look mr simple minded iphone will not run palm os programs you are-tard
    in case ur retardness goes futher look at ur treo. any program on ur treo is a palm os program and wont work with a apple os you *****
    im almost positive that you missed the sarcasm in his post.
    01-31-2007 07:40 PM
  4. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    More twisted logic - Jobs wants to protect people from 3rd party software, but if 95% of people wont install 3rd party software, so who is he actually protecting then?

    Apple fans are so full of excuses.

    Surur
    Just curious. What do you call an Apple AND MSFT fan, then? LOL! Yes, there is one on this planet.

    And neither of them are perfect!
    01-31-2007 07:47 PM
  5. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    Just curious. What do you call an Apple AND MSFT fan, then? LOL! Yes, there is one on this planet.

    And neither of them are perfect!
    brave?

    especailly if you say it out loud in front of only apple fans.

    Here is another one: A Mac user switches to Vista.
    01-31-2007 07:53 PM
  6. bruckwine's Avatar
    Err...not to mention progs can be PORTED nowadays..hence Microsoft Office on Windows AND OS X...so there's no reason why in theory a prog made for one OS can't be ported to another

    And yep..he was being sarcastic..so who's the retard now? It's a shame when ppl pop out of nowhere into a "conversation" with their input being simple name-calling...makes you look immature - if that was your aim you've succeeded.
    01-31-2007 07:54 PM
  7. bruckwine's Avatar
    brave?

    especailly if you say it out loud in front of only apple fans.

    Here is another one: A Mac user switches to Vista.
    Great article man...nice find...I'll def. have to get either a new laptop or a MacBook that can handle Vista (rather than XP..is that possible yet) to have 'em both !! That Aero looks very cool AND functional!
    01-31-2007 08:02 PM
  8. copernicus's Avatar
    brave?

    especailly if you say it out loud in front of only apple fans.

    Here is another one: A Mac user switches to Vista.
    Yes, I agree that this article was an excellent read. The guy seemed balanced. The fact that he wasn't aware of Parallels worried me a bit, but overall very interesting. Thanks!
    01-31-2007 09:29 PM
  9. mob1lejunkie's Avatar
    What I found absolutely hilarious (and I was LMAO) is that some people think widgets can accomplish what applications on an open platform like WM 5, Palm OS and Symbian can do (Tomtom is the first complex and extremely useful app that comes to my mind). Widget is basically Javascript and HTML.
    01-31-2007 10:17 PM
  10. bigwalton's Avatar
    Here's the Jobs quote again:

    We define everything that is on the phone, he said. You dont want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesnt work anymore. These are more like iPods than they are like computers.

    The iPhone model, he insisted, would not look like the rest of the wireless industry.

    These are devices that need to work, and you cant do that if you load any software on them, he said. That doesnt mean theres not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesnt mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment.

    http://www.43folders.com/2007/01/12/no-iphone-apps/

    Let's face it, we have no idea how this is going to pan out. There could be a massive array of Apple certified and tweaked high quality apps or there could be next to nothing.

    FWIW, my guess is that come launch day there will a significant number of Apple apps (mobilised versions of stuff that ships with OS X) and at least a few apps produced in collaboration with third parties (currently the count is one: Google Maps).
    THANK YOU! I'm amazed it took so many posts for someone to point this out. It seems to be the most overlooked quote in all of these discussions of the iPhone... from Steve Jobs directly even! Everyone is still saying that we'll never see any other apps.
    01-31-2007 11:08 PM
  11. bigwalton's Avatar
    Again, I think its wishfull thinking for anybody to think there will be a wide array (or even small array) of availalbe apps ready to be downloaded at launch.
    How many of the 3rd party apps we all now enjoy were available when the Palm OS was launched? Seriously, I came into these things long after the fact. I'm curious. I'd guess very few if any.

    We're talking about a BRAND NEW platform/OS and yes, it will be different because it's Apple and they like to be all over the user experience, and we have a direct quote from the distortion master himself that it's possible, maybe not at launch, but that's part of the cost of early adoption, right

    I personally don't care one bit if they're out the day I get my phone, but I think it will be pretty clear at the launch as to whether they will ever be available.

    For people to come on this board and make comments like "I'm sure", or "I bet", that there will be plenty of apps made available have really no idea what their talking about.
    I almost choked myself with laughter on reading this. You can say the exact same thing about your arguements that there will NOT be plenty of apps made available, you have JUST AS LITTLE idea what you're talking about! At least on the "yes" side we have a quote from the CEO of the company developing the product.
    01-31-2007 11:18 PM
  12. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    Everyone is still saying that we'll never see any other apps.
    Or to put is another way - no one (in the know) is saying there will be any other apps. In other words, this is still a big unknown.
    01-31-2007 11:31 PM
  13. bigwalton's Avatar
    What I found absolutely hilarious (and I was LMAO) is that some people think widgets can accomplish what applications on an open platform like WM 5, Palm OS and Symbian can do (Tomtom is the first complex and extremely useful app that comes to my mind). Widget is basically Javascript and HTML.
    Something that's occured to me in reading the many conversations here is that I wouldn't assume that Mac OSX "widgets" will be the same deal as iPhone "widgets".

    They might, but we may be mixing up some marketing-speak with actual technical terms here. I could easily see them using "widget" to simply replace the word "application" to try and make them seem less intimidating to the main target for these things, the consumer market.

    Just a thought.

    Maybe I missed something from Apple stating that they really are the same thing, but I don't think I did because there's thousands of widgets for OSX available now, the "no additional application" discussion would be considerably different.
    01-31-2007 11:46 PM
  14. bigwalton's Avatar
    Or to put is another way - no one (in the know) is saying there will be any other apps. In other words, this is still a big unknown.
    Completely agreed that it's unknown, but how do you take Jobs' quote cited here then?

    I guess it's possible that he'd allow for the possibility now for the sake of quelling some of the criticism and then not actually offer anything--ever. But it seems like he'd be setting himself/Apple/the iPhone up for a huge hit if that was the case.

    Not impossible, but highly unlikely IMHO given how well he knows how to work the media/marketing/hype.
    01-31-2007 11:52 PM
  15. surur's Avatar
    Most people with new platform court developers, by e.g. releasing a Software Development Kit and guidelines, so when the device gets released the apps are already ready. Jobs actually shunned third party developers, and told them his IPhone is CLOSED (another one of his words). No-one said the IPhone wont have more apps, but everyone says these will just be the apps Steve wants you to have.

    For those who want to be spoon fed this is obviously completely acceptable.

    Surur
    02-01-2007 02:38 AM
  16. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    If it's true much of the general public is unaware of 3rd party apps anyway, maybe that's why he may get away with doing this(or at least thinks he will). I think the iPhone is marketed not for serious smartphone users, but the general public. We'll see how it plays out in the end. If he gets enough criticism, he may "fix" the problem.

    I just received an unexpected update for my Nano(might have something to do with the hissing others have reported). Plus a notification for security updates to Quick Time. Apple may sometimes have to be outed to respond to complaints(same goes for MSFT though), but they do it, at least some of the time.
    02-01-2007 03:24 AM
  17. mobileman's Avatar
    I almost choked myself with laughter on reading this. You can say the exact same thing about your arguements that there will NOT be plenty of apps made available, you have JUST AS LITTLE idea what you're talking about! At least on the "yes" side we have a quote from the CEO of the company developing the product.
    If you had to stop yourself from getting "choked up with laughter" over my post, then you seriously need to get out more and have some fun.
    02-01-2007 06:32 PM
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