1. KMeloney's Avatar
    I don't know what's so hard to understand about the idea that I'd rather my case get dirty, scratched-up, or discolored, than for this to happen to my device.
    LOL We're probably ultimately talking about the same thing. I feel exactly the same way as you about this (get the case/protection screwed up, not the unit). I THOUGHT you were saying (initially) that you might not consider the iPhone 'cause it could get all gunked up. And I was just saying that to avoid that, you could probably just get a case for it, like you do with anything else -- and so that's no reason NOT to like the iPhone...

    I feel like Spider in Goodfellas: "No, no, I thought you said 'hey Spider, I'm ok Spider.'" LOL Sorry!
    01-11-2007 09:57 PM
  2. KMeloney's Avatar
    Also, how that nice flat surface will look with a screen protector on it - ugh.
    Marc, seriously, don't you have a screen protector on your Treo? What's wrong with putting one on an iPhone? We're not talking about putting a bull bar on a Ferrari here... LOL (Incidentally, I think that nice flat surface would look... Flat.)

    Bottom line is that there are a zillion different phones because variety is a good thing. The iPhone will do very well, no doubt, but, for any number of reasons, it's not the last word on phones or converged devices.
    Very true! :thumbsup:

    /< / /2 /<
    01-11-2007 10:05 PM
  3. MacUser's Avatar
    The iPhone has gorgeous versions of the Mac OS X apps. I don't see anything so far on it that I want to replace. I'd be more than happy to trade off some third party apps for first-class built-in apps and better stability.
    I agree.
    Also, I have to believe that there will be more widgets available to "sync" onto the iPhone.
    01-11-2007 10:27 PM
  4. f1realtor's Avatar
    I've never been a mac lover like most folks here and my first and only treo is a 700w, but I think that msft might be the one to help palm out with a new version of windows mobile. This iphone is a threat to all wm5 based phones and I think that if anyone is going to come back firing it will be the boys from redmond and not palm and their os.
    01-11-2007 10:36 PM
  5. west3man's Avatar
    LOL We're probably ultimately talking about the same thing. I feel exactly the same way as you about this (get the case/protection screwed up, not the unit). I THOUGHT you were saying (initially) that you might not consider the iPhone 'cause it could get all gunked up. And I was just saying that to avoid that, you could probably just get a case for it, like you do with anything else -- and so that's no reason NOT to like the iPhone...

    I feel like Spider in Goodfellas: "No, no, I thought you said 'hey Spider, I'm ok Spider.'" LOL Sorry!
    But I don't see a case WORKING with the iPhone because it's all screen. That's what I was saying. My case can be used while I'm on the phone, allowing me access to the most essential controls.

    Not so with the iPhone - to my knowledge, anyway.


    I've got many reasons to pass on the iPhone (whether I ultimately do or do not). Gunk is just one of them.
    01-11-2007 10:50 PM
  6. KMeloney's Avatar
    Ah. Ok. I understand now.

    Well, I've got my iPod wrapped in a full-length screen protector. I'm thinking that something like this for the iPhone would work even better (no scroll wheel for the stuff to lay on unevenly). That, or a holster-style case might be the ticket. But, I see what you're saying.

    Wouldn't it be sweet if the iPhone were really scratch-resistant?

    /< / /2 /<
    01-11-2007 11:41 PM
  7. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    ...But Treo is also pretty good at what they do within their "mold." I just wonder if, given the opportunity, the iPhone will present a really good reason for people to abandon that Treo mold. I'm inclined to think it will.

    This is going to be interesting!

    /< / /2 /<
    But no real innovation has happened except for 3G radios. The 1.2 BT on the 750 is SOOO last year and a half!! They couldn't work with MSFT to develop a higher resolution screen to match the Palm OS one. No built-in wifi YET?? If it weren't for the keyboard placement, many would have left already, I bet you! Because the 8525(TyTN) does all the 750 does and more, for $100 less! At least on Cingular, unlocked there's only about a $50 difference. But I would have gotten the TyTN if it weren't for that keyboard. And also reports that screen may not display well in sunlight.
    01-12-2007 06:10 AM
  8. xtant21's Avatar
    But no real innovation has happened except for 3G radios.
    That's the key statement right there. What really is so sexy about the iPhone...it is DIFFERENT. Every single phone to date has hardware buttons all over it...this one does not. All of the phone today use some sort of cartoonish graphics...the iPhone is sooooo eye candy. Like I said earlier in this thread...I FEEL like I'm using old technology just two years newer...but with the iPhone and it's flipping album art, etc... I'll FEEL like I've time warped. Do I NEED flipping album art? No. But damn does it look cool and make me FEEL like I live in 2007 and not 1987.

    What all of the other manufacturers have been making is a phone...looked the same for some 50 years now...yeah they are different but all in all show me a phone and I know it's a phone. Show me an iPhone and I'm not quite sure what it is until you tell me. Apple just pulled the rug out from under them...take everyday technology but put a wow spin on it and see the buzz you can create. I like the iPhone...it looks cool...I almost got mad at my 6700 for not looking as cool...but then my 6700 chimed in with a push email from my corporate server and allowed me to open my Word and PDF documents and let me work/play without needing a laptop on a business trip. So to thank the 6700 for being the best friend that it is...we went out and had a beer together...where I could change the channel on the bar's TV through my infrared port...all while driving the bartender crazy trying to figure out how the TV changed. <Looking at the 6700...sniff> I love you man.

    Do that with your stinking iPhone. The iPhone is cool and it will sell very well. Especially for the younger crowd...if they can find the funds to pony up for this sticker shock queen and deal with the ineptitude of Cingular. Then again...kids haven't had much trouble coming up with cash or enough guilt-on-the-parentals to buy iPods and cell phones before. All in all I see this as a great toy...but not a business tool yet. This is really geared at the GAP and Abercrombie crowd...to make it in business it has to be a real smartphone. You have to have IT support of it and you have to have business capabilities. In it's current form the iPhone will not be a smartphone...it is smarter than a phone...but not a smartphone. The ability to add apps and support business uses is key to that moniker. It is still cool and it is still pretty but it hasn't supplanted my 6700. As button-y and sliding keyboard-y as it is...with no real eye candy...I can still play MP3s on it and leave my laptop behind...welcome to the party but we'll see you next year.
    01-12-2007 02:05 PM
  9. west3man's Avatar
    The world is still not ending:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...44&postcount=1

    Of course, nothing is certain until it hits the streets. . . . . .
    1. will not sync with outlook at all (OH NOOOOO)
    2. no iChat support at all
    3. no voice dialing
    4. no flash or java support in browser (WHY?)
    5. Cant open word or excel docs.
    6. Unit must be sent in to Apple to replace battery
    7. No third party apps


    I don't care about the first two, as I have no experience with iChat and I don't trust Outlook for my personal use (which is what I use my Treo for).

    Voice dialing is an absolute necessity.

    NO flash or java sounds anachronistic in such a Jetsons-esque device.

    Word and Excel compatibility is a must.

    I wanna be able to change my batteries without having my hand held (ouch; unintended pun). Shame on Apple for this one, though.

    It sounds like there are enough things missing for third-party apps to be a necessity. Too bad they're verboten.
    01-12-2007 02:53 PM
  10. bigwalton's Avatar
    My point is that the Palm apps meet my needs and I have had no need for 3rd party enahnced programs.
    I would suggest that you're then in a very very small minority here on this forum where people keep saying "but my Treo does all that already"

    Your list of apps won't play a video, for instance. These other folks will have to have TCPMP or something to say that their's compares.

    I think that was his point, people comparing thier Treos to this saying it's not an advancement are citing a heavily modded Treo as comparison. To the consumers that don't want to bother with adding anything, this is a huge advance when you compare them out of the box.
    01-12-2007 03:36 PM
  11. bigwalton's Avatar
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    6. Unit must be sent in to Apple to replace battery

    I wanna be able to change my batteries without having my hand held (ouch; unintended pun). Shame on Apple for this one, though.
    I changed my iPod's battery in a matter of 15 minutes without paying a dime to Apple. I'm sure the same battery folks will be all over this market.

    This doesn't excuse not making the battery removable however, just an FYI.

    It sounds like there are enough things missing for third-party apps to be a necessity. Too bad they're verboten.
    In all I've read about this issue, do we know this for certain or is this based on them just not explicitly saying that they will be opening it for development? That's a genuine question, no type of slam...

    I don't recall seeing it stated that they will never allow 3rd party development. Seems strange if it's running some flavor of OSX which already has thousands of "widgets". I would think that they're limiting it now to get the OS bugs worked out and that 3rd party will come later (and I'm not saying that's acceptable, but at least allows for quick and easier fixes for rev. 1).
    01-12-2007 03:42 PM
  12. west3man's Avatar
    In all I've read about this issue, do we know this for certain or is this based on them just not explicitly saying that they will be opening it for development? That's a genuine question, no type of slam...
    Follow the links from Perry's post and tell me what your take is.
    01-12-2007 04:07 PM
  13. sir_mycroft's Avatar
    "What all of the other manufacturers have been making is a phone...looked the same for some 50 years now...yeah they are different but all in all show me a phone and I know it's a phone. "

    I own a VisorPhone. Trust me, I have to explian what it is to everyone who sees it.
    01-12-2007 04:31 PM
  14. west3man's Avatar
    "What all of the other manufacturers have been making is a phone...looked the same for some 50 years now...yeah they are different but all in all show me a phone and I know it's a phone. "

    I own a VisorPhone. Trust me, I have to explian what it is to everyone who sees it.
    I was thinking the same thing about the Treo.
    I've had to explain to enough people what was on my hip.
    01-12-2007 04:53 PM
  15. bruckwine's Avatar
    1. will not sync with outlook at all (OH NOOOOO)
    2. no iChat support at all
    3. no voice dialing
    4. no flash or java support in browser (WHY?)
    5. Cant open word or excel docs.
    6. Unit must be sent in to Apple to replace battery
    7. No third party apps


    I don't care about the first two, as I have no experience with iChat and I don't trust Outlook for my personal use (which is what I use my Treo for).

    Voice dialing is an absolute necessity.

    NO flash or java sounds anachronistic in such a Jetsons-esque device.

    Word and Excel compatibility is a must.

    I wanna be able to change my batteries without having my hand held (ouch; unintended pun). Shame on Apple for this one, though.


    It sounds like there are enough things missing for third-party apps to be a necessity. Too bad they're verboten.
    they always pull this trick! Changing my iPod battery was a real pain in the butt (though it cost me 15 Us in all ) and I can only imagine it being harder doing this and not cracking that shiny 3.5 in screen on that makes up one side of the phone case! if the phone is $600 i can only imagine how much to replace the battery! Can you say 2nd gen?!
    01-12-2007 05:17 PM
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