1. stroths's Avatar
    hey malacrap, you should really give it a rest.
    I see we've resorted to the name calling stage. Mal...at least you haven't been called a poopy head yet
    01-15-2007 06:45 AM
  2. Iceman6's Avatar
    There is no doubt that a 3G version of this phone should be developed. According to Cingular, they're workiing on it:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070110/tc_zd/198403

    It will require another radio, and surely a bigger battery. Apple will not be able to sell this phone overseas without 3G, so I expect this to happen by the end of the year.
    01-15-2007 01:22 PM
  3. cjdaniel's Avatar
    I see we've resorted to the name calling stage. Mal...at least you haven't been called a poopy head yet
    Well I think we all can contend by reading through his rants, that OAlaverez about 15 years old,
    01-15-2007 01:59 PM
  4. Certs's Avatar
    Let me come onto TREOcentral, bash Treo's in worship of this unproven IPhone, and damn anyone who opposes me? Morons, absolute idiots.....

    Say what you want, I'm still sleeping tonight whether you love the iphone or not, but if you're trying to make close-ended proclamations about the device (that you haven't even touched) with no debate then you're in the wrong place. www.iphonecentral.com?
    01-15-2007 02:20 PM
  5. oalvarez's Avatar
    Well I think we all can contend by reading through his rants, that OAlaverez about 15 years old,
    oh brother...here we go with the 15yr old stuff....the funny thing is that individuals such as yourself and malawhatever are the provoking ones. someone says they like the iphone or doesn't like the treo and "wham-o!" rants? i don't think so.

    in response to the original poster: i am getting an i-phone and am looking forward to its release.

    01-15-2007 04:23 PM
  6. MacUser's Avatar
    There is no doubt that a 3G version of this phone should be developed. According to Cingular, they're workiing on it:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20070110/tc_zd/198403

    It will require another radio, and surely a bigger battery. Apple will not be able to sell this phone overseas without 3G, so I expect this to happen by the end of the year.
    That's going to be a tough one to take...buying the EDGE version in June and then rationalizing buying the 3G verison in December...at least to my wife :hmm:
    01-15-2007 05:35 PM
  7. Malatesta's Avatar
    oh brother...here we go with the 15yr old stuff....the funny thing is that individuals such as yourself and malawhatever are the provoking ones. someone says they like the iphone or doesn't like the treo and "wham-o!" rants? i don't think so.
    oh boo-hoo oalvarez...

    Here you go:





    If you can't debate or defend your position don't respond to my posts. Not hard.
    01-15-2007 06:46 PM
  8. MarkEagle's Avatar
    someone says they like the iphone or doesn't like the treo and "wham-o!" rants? i don't think so.
    No different than those who love the Treo and hate everything mentioned thus far about the iPhone. It's a 2-way street and everyone needs to be mindful of others opinions.

    The bottom line is the iPhone isn't even available yet. Saying anything pro or con at this time is nothing more than conjecture... nobody knows anything for certain, not even the hairdresser. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding won't be ready until at least June, which is a looong way off.

    I hope these discussions won't digress to the point of personal attacks and name-calling. Treo lover or iPhone zealot, we're ALL better than that.
    01-15-2007 07:52 PM
  9. oalvarez's Avatar
    That's going to be a tough one to take...buying the EDGE version in June and then rationalizing buying the 3G verison in December...at least to my wife :hmm:
    good point. so far, EDGE hasn't been too much of a hindrance or real negative although i haven't used my device as a wireless modem. i have owned EVDO products, EDGE and now 3G via the 750 (able to receive the bandwith where i live). as far as i'm concerned edge isn't all that bad. perhaps waiting til december will have its merits too in that more might be known and available for the iphone at that time.

    at least we'll have something to look forward to throughout the year
    01-15-2007 07:54 PM
  10. bruckwine's Avatar
    You're right. It is a shame to not have it. I've already checked my area and I'm not in a 3G area, except during leisure time. I'm sure it will be extended to my area soon. However, the wifi will help make that much more endurable. And what's my alternative? A Treo 700(P) with no 3G? A 750 with Windows?! I can hold out till June and make an informed decision. Who knows, maybe I'll totally hate the on-screen keypad. Considering the R&D, I would put it as a long shot.

    Still, the iPhone is a "Smartphone"...Wikipedia says so
    Now I'm no expert on cellular phone categorisation..but the day wikipedia, and not some official peer-reviewed textbook on cellular communications becomes the end-all...well..that's a sad sad day for information technology!

    Obviously with the present "wiki" definition as a guide, an iPhone counts as a smartphone...but so does my old nokia 6101! In other words..as technology improves the definitions we use need to. 10 yrs ago the motorola star tac was a smartphone wasn't it? let's not jump the proverbial gun here!

    TBH in my opinion basically a smartphone is one that can "adapt" and "learn" through the use of its software and hardware...possibly the iPhone has the hardware, but from what Jobs showed it seems to lack a lot of the software ppl have defined smartphones by which show their potential such as GPS nav ( naturally mostly 3rd party apps)....like a brain w/o fully developed cognition...perhaps when they allow development we shall see how "smart" it can get e.g. GPS, 3G etc
    01-15-2007 08:10 PM
  11. vw2002's Avatar
    when you step back a bit, you really have to laugh, or shake your head. people are getting into fights, namecalling and all that here over cellphones!
    holy cats!
    01-16-2007 02:30 AM
  12. oalvarez's Avatar
    No different than those who love the Treo and hate everything mentioned thus far about the iPhone. It's a 2-way street and everyone needs to be mindful of others opinions.

    The bottom line is the iPhone isn't even available yet. Saying anything pro or con at this time is nothing more than conjecture... nobody knows anything for certain, not even the hairdresser. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding won't be ready until at least June, which is a looong way off.

    I hope these discussions won't digress to the point of personal attacks and name-calling. Treo lover or iPhone zealot, we're ALL better than that.

    thank you.
    01-16-2007 08:02 AM
  13. specimen38's Avatar
    Prediction: iPhone Pro before the end of 2007. I have watched Apple a long time and I think Steve's presentation was a tease. I believe there's more!
    01-17-2007 11:10 AM
  14. surur's Avatar
    Prediction: iPhone Pro before the end of 2007. I have watched Apple a long time and I think Steve's presentation was a tease. I believe there's more!
    Which would rather make a fool of those plunking down $600 and locking themselves into a two year contract for gen 1.

    Surur
    01-17-2007 01:15 PM
  15. specimen38's Avatar
    Which would rather make a fool of those plunking down $600 and locking themselves into a two year contract for gen 1.

    Surur
    Who is more foolish those of us critiquing vapor(ware) or those innocent lambs, who are completely satisfied to plunk down $600 and lock themselves into a two year contract with Cingular?
    01-17-2007 02:25 PM
  16. surur's Avatar
    Who is more foolish those of us critiquing vapor(ware) or those innocent lambs, who are completely satisfied to plunk down $600 and lock themselves into a two year contract with Cingular?
    You know which one I think of course

    Surur
    01-17-2007 05:59 PM
  17. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    So, it's better to lock into a 2 year contract for a Treo and wait for those incremental updates from Palm.

    I'd rather have a company bring out new stuff and fixes faster rather than Palm's performance over the last year.

    And for the naming calling record, I don't think you need to be a Treo hater to love the iPhone. I can't count how much money I've spent on Palm the past few years. But on all the devices they've released in the past year I am sorely disappointed. The 650 (after firmware updates) mostly did what it was supposed to. All the releases since then seem to have enough bugs that their usability is affected, sometimes significantly.

    I'll move to the iPhone since it seems like it will meet my needs. For those it doesn't great, get what suits you best. But I do hope Palm makes changes. On their current course I don't think their future looks very bright. I'd love to know how 680 sales are going since they indicated this was their market expander. I haven't really seem much positive about it since it was released.

    Which would rather make a fool of those plunking down $600 and locking themselves into a two year contract for gen 1.

    Surur
    01-17-2007 06:57 PM
  18. surur's Avatar
    So, it's better to lock into a 2 year contract for a Treo and wait for those incremental updates from Palm.
    Its a question of price. If the last gen tech (EDGE) is cheap, then is makes sense to settle for it (e.g. Treo 680), but if its expensive, and it will be corrected in six months, doesn't it make sense to wait instead?

    Surur
    01-17-2007 07:39 PM
  19. kmrivers's Avatar
    I will be waiting to see how it develops while I ride out my Sprint contract (3/08). Here is what I want to know and will alter my decision to buy or not.

    1. Price of the plans. I am betting there will be iPhone specific set of tiered plans. Since these will be sold in the Apple Store.

    2. 3G. Not available where I am yet. I imagine by 08 it will be here, in my area and in the iPhone.

    That is pretty much it for me. I will have over a year to watch this pan out. I want one bad though. We will see. By 08 I expect to see:

    1. More memory. Maybe up it to 8GB and 12GB. Maybe more as flash should come down a lot.

    2. N wireless.

    3. More battery life.

    4. Maybe slimmer.

    Maybe even more. Again we will see.

    I am pumped. Just wish I didnt have to wait so long.
    01-17-2007 07:49 PM
  20. sir_mycroft's Avatar
    I'm gonna get me the iPhone killer: The Google Switch!

    engaget.com
    01-18-2007 02:01 PM
  21. vinman's Avatar
    I'm gonna get me the iPhone killer: The Google Switch!

    engaget.com
    The only reference I can find for "Google Switch" is a "kill switch" in Vista for the Google search engine. Can you post a link to more info?
    01-18-2007 02:59 PM
  22. specimen38's Avatar
    You know which one I think of course

    Surur
    So you admit it...

    Proverb -- "better to be a fed lamb than a cranky camel"
    01-18-2007 03:15 PM
  23. taylorh's Avatar
    You know what really pisses me off aout the iPhone?

    "iPhone brings you free push IMAP email service from Yahoo!, and it can be easily set up to work with most IMAP and POP email services."

    I have been waiting for IMAP on Yahoo for YEARS and still only pop. And I'm willing to even pay for it. But oh, just because Apple wants it, It'll be free for the iPhone? What if I want IMAP to use with WM5 or outlook?

    @!!@+@"!!$!;@
    01-19-2007 03:04 AM
  24. Iceman6's Avatar
    I've really been struggling with whether to jump ship from Sprint in order to get an iPhone. Version 2.0 will have 3G, a bigger battery, and hopefully an SD-card slot and a flash for the camera. Right now I'm leaning towards waiting. The iPhone is almost a perfect portable video player. Add more internal memory, or preferably an SD-card slot, and I'm sold.
    01-19-2007 01:09 PM
  25. kmrivers's Avatar
    I've really been struggling with whether to jump ship from Sprint in order to get an iPhone. Version 2.0 will have 3G, a bigger battery, and hopefully an SD-card slot and a flash for the camera. Right now I'm leaning towards waiting. The iPhone is almost a perfect portable video player. Add more internal memory, or preferably an SD-card slot, and I'm sold.
    There will be no card slot.
    Everything else is fair game.

    A memory upgrade is more than likely. probably will be upped to 8 and 12GB.
    01-19-2007 01:48 PM
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