1. abarrios's Avatar
    the treo is done. With the exception of UMTS & palm os,it has just about everything people on this board have been asking for. I will be in for one if apple offers an un-locked version.
    01-09-2007 09:39 PM
  2. bclancy's Avatar
    ... I'm only 6 months into a 2-year contract. ...
    Sounds like perfect timing to me. By then, the'll have a proven, next-gen,power-user-oriented device on the carrier you want. Sprint/Verizon will have lost the anti-wifi battle (and realize that letting you offload your data consuption onto a network where they don't have to pay the traffic charges for will be a good thing).
    01-09-2007 09:46 PM
  3. dcmidnight's Avatar
    For all this endless complaining about the lack of a QWERTY keyboard, am I the only one thats actually LOOKED AT the specs of the phone?

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/

    Under the SMS link it shows a full QWERTY popup keyboard. Under the email playthrough - if you watch it - it shows the same thing a full QWERTY keyboard.

    I cant say how great it will be, or how it works, or if touchscreen will be all that its cracked up to be - but considering its still in development, IT IS THERE!!!
    01-09-2007 10:14 PM
  4. Felipe#WP's Avatar
    For all this endless complaining about the lack of a QWERTY keyboard, am I the only one thats actually LOOKED AT the specs of the phone?

    i think ppl know the virtual kb is there, the fact that it is a virtual kb is a deal killer. ppl like the tactile feel of a real kb.

    the question about this virtual kb, how well does it work.

    according to a post on gizmodo, the letters pop up (become bigger) when you move your finger over them, making it easier to hit the right key.

    we will have to wait and see how well this works.
    01-09-2007 10:32 PM
  5. NextDream's Avatar
    I second the vote for iphonecentral.
    the domain name is already taken, i tried to get it earlier. Treocentral will be a distant memory for me come June.....though I might drop by the old tc neighborhood to take a look at the newest thread begging Palm to fix it's newest release (Please, Please Palm can you send a ROM update out for the 750p it keeps crashing) for old time sake.
    01-09-2007 10:37 PM
  6. MacUser's Avatar
    did you just say "only 8 gig"? Doesnt your treo have 64mb?
    ROTFL...yeah!

    I can't wait to read about all the OS X apps/widgets that will soon be available. I'm watch the iPhone on all the newscasts tonight.
    01-09-2007 11:07 PM
  7. NextDream's Avatar
    i think ppl know the virtual kb is there, the fact that it is a virtual kb is a deal killer. ppl like the tactile feel of a real kb.

    the question about this virtual kb, how well does it work.

    according to a post on gizmodo, the letters pop up (become bigger) when you move your finger over them, making it easier to hit the right key.

    we will have to wait and see how well this works.
    No need to wait. www.apple.com/iphone You can go to "Watch the keynote" and see Steve Jobs entire 2 hour presentation from today where he goes thru everything the phone does and how to do it. (by the way it didn't crash and he didn't have to soft reset it!)
    01-09-2007 11:26 PM
  8. oalvarez's Avatar
    i'm still waiting for all of the Treo power users and Treo die-hards to chime in...they've been awful quiet with the exception of "the keyboard issue" and "EDGE being so slow."

    where are all of the supporters?

    funny to think back at how defensive some get at the slightest mention of a fault. well, now many of those faults have been remedied but by someone else.

    like i've said, it's good to keep an open mind. the treo is not the end-all and perhaps the i-phone isn't either, but i must admit, it's a step in the right direction.

    a cool factor that Treo's will NEVER be able to emulate.

    jury still out on the keyboard though....i will admit, if the typing capability is goofy they will have lost out on many a sale. would i still buy one as a secondary device? hell yes.
    01-09-2007 11:47 PM
  9. ghiscott's Avatar
    There is not going to be a Sprint/Verizon version of the Iphone because apple's stated goal is 1% of the world market! CDMA is a tiny fraction of the world coverage for cellular.
    01-10-2007 12:43 AM
  10. wilsonb's Avatar
    When the Iphone does Remote Desktop or VNC as nice as Treo does, then I'll convert.
    01-10-2007 01:23 AM
  11. ajabbari's Avatar
    i'm still waiting for all of the Treo power users and Treo die-hards to chime in...they've been awful quiet with the exception of "the keyboard issue" and "EDGE being so slow."

    where are all of the supporters?

    funny to think back at how defensive some get at the slightest mention of a fault. well, now many of those faults have been remedied but by someone else.

    like i've said, it's good to keep an open mind. the treo is not the end-all and perhaps the i-phone isn't either, but i must admit, it's a step in the right direction.

    a cool factor that Treo's will NEVER be able to emulate.

    jury still out on the keyboard though....i will admit, if the typing capability is goofy they will have lost out on many a sale. would i still buy one as a secondary device? hell yes.
    I'm not a Treo die-hard by any means but one look at the demos Apple had on their site completely blew me away. Even though it will end up being an expensive move, I'm going to very seriously consider taking the ETF and ditching Sprint for Cingular after less than a year with the 700p. The Treo (and for that matter every other current gen smartphone on the market) simply won't be able to compete with the level of functionality and polish that this product will offer. Even if it is a buggy POS, it will still stand above the competition (which also all happen to be buggy POSes). I wonder what the 700p will fetch on Ebay?
    01-10-2007 01:33 AM
  12. NextDream's Avatar
    Come June there will be plenty of Palm devices for sale that's for sure.
    01-10-2007 02:08 AM
  13. sinebubble's Avatar
    Yeah, well, I admit the device is everything we could have ever hoped for and more. I can't believe Apple finally released a product that everyone has been screaming for so long. And did it beyond anyones hopes. Honestly, the Palm OS finally died today. Palm might limp along selling Windows CE Treo's to the business market, but Palm OS is dead dead dead.

    It's hard to believe a company could jump into the smartphone market and with their first generation product not only leap-frog ALL the competition, but clobber it sufficiently that it will take years for any of them to come even close. Apple/NeXT spent DECADES building the foundation that sets this phone apart from anyone else's product. Symbian will take years to approach it. Windows CE, too. The only people who won't buy this phone will be those who can't afford it (until Apple can create a cheaper one) and those who have to use a business provided phone (Blackberry/CE/etc). In six months my Treo, and every other non-business smartphone, will be a paper weight.

    Of course, the phone could be a buggy piece of crap on arrival in June, but somehow I really doubt it. And, of course, Sony could take the low road and dress up their phones with more glitter and better integrated apps and then sell them at a much lower price point than Apple. That's pretty much the industries only hope to sell around Apple.

    And what really p***es everyone in the industry off? Apple doesn't license.
    01-10-2007 02:58 AM
  14. west3man's Avatar
    Sorry, but am I the only one disappointed with this? As everyone else drools (sure, it's sexy, but get ahold of yourselves!), I keep thinking about the fact that it will only do EDGE. This isn't coming out till June and yet it's using cellular communications technology that came out a couple of years ago! Now that I have EVDO, I can't go back to speeds that are 1/3 - 1/8th what I get on my 750P.

    I'll just have to get the next iPod that integrates the same touch screen stuff. Heck, Apple could probably even sell it to me without the phone, just Wifi, although I don't think I could deal with only 8GB of memory (let alone 4GB). When or if Apple decides to make the phone for other carriers, in particular EVDO carriers, I might go for it - or when they integrate HSDPA even! But for now, I can't do it. Plus, I'm only 6 months into a 2-year contract. Will this phone be so alluring to some that people will pay $300 on top of the $500-600 in order to break their contracts with all the other carriers? There's no mention of an unlocked version, either, and it sounds like they are doing some special stuff that only Cingular has (the voicemail stuff)? So talk about proprietary! Ugh!

    Finally, no mention of A2DP, which to me says that it won't have it...
    I generally agree with that line of thinking, but in this case, I'd think that BT 2.0 and the kind of device it is means that A2DP is a given.

    Also, I'm more than surprised when people are dismissive of 8 frickin' gigs of storage, when the Treo gets a pat on the back for falling short of 3-digit Megs.

    That said,...
    * dial-up networking is a must. (Maybe it shouldn't be, but it's more important to me than wi-fi.)
    * MS Office-compatible programs are a must.
    * Screen protection is a must, although I'm not sure how we can both protect it AND use it - even with a thin film over it. No buttons means fewer possible broken parts, but it also means you can't just keep the screen covered while you use the buttons.
    01-10-2007 08:43 AM
  15. west3man's Avatar
    and why they're discounting the NEW Treo 750 (cing) in stores.....got mine for $349 just yesterday.....hmmmmm
    Under what circumstances? Are you a new user? Did you sign a two-year contract?

    Give us some context, please.
    01-10-2007 09:03 AM
  16. west3man's Avatar
    I was thinking about the 8bg being comparable to a mere Nano instead of an 80GB Ipod... I contemplated buying my wife a nano for Christmas, then thought it would be best to cough up the extra bucks for an 80 GB Ipod. Glad I did as the beloved wanted the extra HD space. Also, I can swap in an unlimited number of SD cards to load more music or movies on the go with my treo, the iphone has no SD card slot? Right? So you are locked into that 8gb for all your storage space.
    I like the ability to keep putting different cards in my Treo, too, but memory-wise, the iPhone kills all other smartphones AND most Nano's.

    I'd love it if the thing accepted external cards, too (not to mention a removable battery), but I couldn't bring myself to say "only 8GB." I'm amazed that anyone could.


    Btw, a removable battery is extremely important. I just had to say that, again.
    01-10-2007 09:08 AM
  17. sir_mycroft's Avatar
    It's not avaialable until June.

    Alright all kidding aside, after my mini-technogasm and metophoric cigarette I have calmed down and examined the thing rationally. I have decided to will wait until iPhone's next gen to deside to abandon Treo for the following reasons:

    1. GSM: Sorry you international folks, I have used both CDMA & GSM phones extensively, I just see no comparison for building penetration, reception, or voice quality here in the U.S. CDMA is superior.

    2. Non-removable battery: Treo made this mistake in the begining too. But there is big difference with your ipod running out of juice and your phone running out.

    3. No expansion card: I know, this is not how apple operates, they want you to buy new gadgets with higher GBs, but really, do you want to buy a new iphone every six months when you run out of space?

    4. EDGE: It looked peppy on wifi, but what hapens when you take it off the rez? How can Jobs say this phone is 5 years ahead of the competition with 2 year old data speeds? I am sure when 3G rolls out for GSM this will not be an issue. I am also sure you will need to buy a new phone.

    5. Contract: I think Apple is making a mistake with the exclusivity agreement with AT&T. People like choices, have carrier loyalty and have contract obligations. If they really wanted to seize market share the need to use multiple carriers. It would be throwing good money after bad for many to pay penalties to one carrier, just to fork over $600 to another.

    6. Finally, it aint a smartphone: You take what Apple feeds you, and that's it. For most, this will not matter, and even I might live with it depending on software availability (an unknown at this time), but for many, the smartphone is the thing.

    I have more, but those are the main issues. I will wait and see the bugs shake out before biting.
    01-10-2007 10:26 AM
  18. west3man's Avatar
    It's not avaialable until June.

    Alright all kidding aside, after my mini-technogasm and metophoric cigarette I have calmed down and examined the thing rationally. I have decided to will wait until iPhone's next gen to deside to abandon Treo for the following reasons:

    1. GSM: Sorry you international folks, I have used both CDMA & GSM phones extensively, I just see no comparison for building penetration, reception, or voice quality here in the U.S. CDMA is superior.

    2. Non-removable battery: Treo made this mistake in the begining too. But there is big difference with your ipod running out of juice and your phone running out.
    That's a concern of mine. If your phone runs out of juice and you can't pop in another battery, you're in for quite the inconvience.

    3. No expansion card: I know, this is not how apple operates, they want you to buy new gadgets with higher GBs, but really, do you want to buy a new iphone every six months when you run out of space?
    I'd love expansion options, but no fair suggesting the iPhone's 8GB will be insufficient in 6 mos, without saying the same about the Treo's piddly MegaBytes.

    Sure, you can keep buying cards, but you're also switching'em out.

    Again, I agree that expansion is a great option, but 8GB internal is impressive, as well.

    4. EDGE: It looked peppy on wifi, but what hapens when you take it off the rez? How can Jobs say this phone is 5 years ahead of the competition with 2 year old data speeds? I am sure when 3G rolls out for GSM this will not be an issue. I am also sure you will need to buy a new phone.
    What's "the rez" and why would I want to take something off of it?

    5. Contract: I think Apple is making a mistake with the exclusivity agreement with AT&T. People like choices, have carrier loyalty and have contract obligations. If they really wanted to seize market share the need to use multiple carriers. It would be throwing good money after bad for many to pay penalties to one carrier, just to fork over $600 to another.
    I assumed (and admittedly, this is just an assumption) that Apple was just doing what Palm did - making the device available exclusively with one carrier, then expanding from there.

    6. Finally, it aint a smartphone: You take what Apple feeds you, and that's it. For most, this will not matter, and even I might live with it depending on software availability (an unknown at this time), but for many, the smartphone is the thing.
    Hard to say. If it's really running a full operating system, there's great potential there - which could make it much smarter than the Treo ever was.

    I have more, but those are the main issues. I will wait and see the bugs shake out before biting.
    Kinda sad that we've got 6mos. to wait for the bugs to even debut.
    01-10-2007 10:52 AM
  19. shadowboxer's Avatar
    Ouch! It will sell millions, but as much as I want it, I don't. No CDMA EVDO, no memory card, only 8gb, and no qwerty. Also- no replaceable battery? So when it is dead, it is dead? .

    Only 8 GIGS of memory????? Who needs a removable card with 8 GIGS of built in memory. OMG, think of the possibilities....

    Go to this link http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/, and page down somewhat, and there is indeed a finger operated querty keyboard that looks pretty cool.

    As to the replaceable battery, the battery life looks phenomenal and like the ipods, I am sure apple will have a quick and easy battery replacement program for when the time comes. I don't see that as a problem.

    all in all, compared to what is out there this thing is freaking unbelievable!!! (imho)
    01-10-2007 01:07 PM
  20. lny98's Avatar
    The non-removable battery issue is, imho, a moot point.

    1. How many cell phones out there have removable batteries anyway? The vast majority of the public is used to recharging their cell phone periodically. End of story.

    2. There are a number of portable recharging devices that can be used to recharge a cell or ipod. They are not much bigger than the treo 700 replacement batteries, and come in lots of varieties (take "AAA" batteries, etc).

    Having looked at the iphone, I'm believe the treo will be greatly affected in the negative. My next phone will be the iPhone.

    Lou
    01-10-2007 01:35 PM
  21. west3man's Avatar
    Only 8 GIGS of memory????? Who needs a removable card with 8 GIGS of built in memory. OMG, think of the possibilities....
    I feel a lot like you do, but when I think of taking a picture with the 2 MegaPixel camera (which I have yet to see in any demos) and not being able to slap the pic on a card and slapt the card in a computer, ...

    When I got my first digital camera, I didn't see what the big deal was about hooking your device up to the computer to transfer pix. Now I see that it can be an inconvenience.

    For one thing, keeping that doggone cord with you may be a pain. For another, the device has to be handy AND juiced-up.

    It's an unnecessary inconvenience.

    Go to this link http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/, and page down somewhat, and there is indeed a finger operated querty keyboard that looks pretty cool.

    As to the replaceable battery, the battery life looks phenomenal and like the ipods, I am sure apple will have a quick and easy battery replacement program for when the time comes. I don't see that as a problem.

    all in all, compared to what is out there this thing is freaking unbelievable!!! (imho)
    The quickest, easiest, AND CHEAPEST battery replacement solution is to allow the user to replace his/her own battery.
    01-10-2007 01:46 PM
  22. west3man's Avatar
    The non-removable battery issue is, imho, a moot point.

    1. How many cell phones out there have removable batteries anyway? The vast majority of the public is used to recharging their cell phone periodically. End of story.
    Not really.

    I dunno what phones you've been looking at, but there are a number of them that have replaceable batteries.

    I'm not just talking smartphones, either. My previous clamshell had a removable battery and even had optional travel batteries with greater capacities.

    Sometimes, we run out of juice at inconvenient times. It'd be nice - no, at times, it'd be ESSENTIAL to be able to replace the battery as quickly as I can do so with my Treo.

    2. There are a number of portable recharging devices that can be used to recharge a cell or ipod. They are not much bigger than the treo 700 replacement batteries, and come in lots of varieties (take "AAA" batteries, etc).
    Are they one-use devices or can they be used time and again?

    All I've seen are one-use devices. It'd be much more economical and convenient to put that power in the consumer's hands, from the get-go.

    Having looked at the iphone, I'm believe the treo will be greatly affected in the negative. My next phone will be the iPhone.

    Lou
    I'm extremely tempted, but I wanna know more, first.
    01-10-2007 01:51 PM
  23. waldo15's Avatar
    I'll jump in to save the ugly maiden now called Treo... I'll do the best I can to play devil's advocate against the iPhone (Steve Jobs, please don't read my following post! I promise is just an excercise of the mind ):

    - Lack of expandability. Yes, 8GB is a lot of memory by today's standards. And we are all assuming those 8GB are user accesible, no mention how much of that is taken by the OS/apps. Anyhow, assuming 8GB for the user, I can see myself filling it up with music and movies somewhat fast. A regular 1:30 hrs movie for a 320 by 240 screen takes about 200MB-500MB or so depending on the quality, and with the bigger iPhone screen I will certainly rip my movies for a larger format; AACs are slightly bigger than MP3s... so yes, expansion could be needed at some point. Let us say that expansion ports/cards so far have not made a phone worse.

    - EDGE vs UMTS vs EVDO vs WiFi. This has been the ongoing Treo discussion for ages, as well as for other phones. Definitely is a let down any way you see it that the iPhone only handles EDGE, that is a hard fact that many webblogs are pointing out. The device certainly has other attractive features to distract us from that shortcoming, particularly the switch over to WiFi when possible.

    UMTS/HSDPA are at this point very limited in coverage. EVDO today wins that race. How do I know? Because I own a 3G PC card from Cingular for my laptop and I have a Treo 700p that I can use as a modem too. In the same location I use both and I have not gotten solid 3G coverage yet in Portland, OR (Portland IS included in the 3G list by Cingular). True fact, when I get 3G the speeds are amazing.

    EDGE certainly is usable, but the omision of a 3G service in the phone may be the one blemish that could tip a few users before upgrading.

    And yes, as much as one wants to defend the Treo... the thing does not have WiFi included. Period. There's no saving grace in that around these days.

    - Lack of real keyboard. As it was mentioned in a few of the several posts in this iPhone topic, tactile feedback is what makes or breaks usability. Indeed a touch-based keyboard sounds good for writting down a speedy note or short email, but to go and type a full blog post online while I am in my lunch break, I'll take my small Treo keyboard any day of the week. Ok, maybe after trying the iPhone I could change my mind, but today I am square-minded and I believe my real keyboard still deserves the crown.

    - That screen is screaming scratches/cracks/you-name-it. If the Treo requires some extra care... man the iPhone requires national security level attention!

    So those are my points on saving Private Treo... now Steve Jobs, if you did not pay attention and read my post, shame on you! But I am more than open to receive an iPhone sample to test and maybe that will help change my mind
    01-10-2007 01:54 PM
  24. NextDream's Avatar
    It's not avaialable until June.



    5. Contract: I think Apple is making a mistake with the exclusivity agreement with AT&T. People like choices, have carrier loyalty and have contract obligations. If they really wanted to seize market share the need to use multiple carriers. It would be throwing good money after bad for many to pay penalties to one carrier, just to fork over $600 to another.

    6. Finally, it aint a smartphone: You take what Apple feeds you, and that's it. For most, this will not matter, and even I might live with it depending on software availability (an unknown at this time), but for many, the smartphone is the thing.

    I have more, but those are the main issues. I will wait and see the bugs shake out before biting.
    5) People like choices. - When dealing with inferior products or systems choices are a must as you are choosing between the lesser of two evile e.g., do I go with the 700wx that can multi-task or with the 700p that has a better screen. Choices are a moot point if something is a far superior product. Take a look at Itunes, that choiceless music system is working out just fine.

    6)If you honestly went to www.apple.com/iphone, watched the keynote and think that ain't a smartphone then i'd hate to hear what you call a Treo!
    01-10-2007 01:58 PM
  25. whmurray's Avatar


    1. GSM: Sorry you international folks, I have used both CDMA & GSM phones extensively, I just see no comparison for building penetration, reception, or voice quality here in the U.S. CDMA is superior.
    You CDMA folks have had it your way for a long time.

    As to "superiority," I have used both. I believe the hype about the technical superiority of CDMA. However, it no longer makes a difference. My GSM is as good as my wire; that is good enough.
    01-10-2007 03:00 PM
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