1. whmurray's Avatar
    I think a lot of people are missing the point, here. Sure, we have 90% of the functionality of iPhone right now with our Treos. But we also had 90% of iPod's functionality with the MP3 Jukeboxes that were around at that time.

    It's not about functionality; it's about the complete customer experience. (Something that Palm used to understand well but no longer seems to get.) iPhone makes every mobile product at CES look ridiculous. From a user-interface/design perspective, it's at least two years ahead of anyone else's mobile products. Every major cell phone/consumer electronics company on earth is heading back to the drawing board as of this morning.

    This is the product that will eventually make average people actually want to buy communicators. This is the product that will finally bring the cost of wireless data down to something reasonable. This is the product that will force every other manufacturer to stop making geek toys and start making truly remarkable innovations again.

    Palm had better be ready soon with Hawkins' "secret" device. They're going to need it by June, if they want to stay relevant in mobile computing.

    Man, I've never been so happy to be wrong about Apple. I was so sure they weren't going to head in this direction with iPhone.

    This is but a small step into a much larger electronics world for Apple. They essentially just wrote the gold standard for communicators. Everyone from this point on is going to have to match or beat that standard. It's great for Apple; it's great for the other companies, who now have more healthy competition and motivation; and most importantly, it's great for us, because we're going to have a lot more great products at our fingertips a year from now.
    Part of me feels sorry for Palm. The other part is happy to no longer be waiting for POS/UMTS. All of me is glad to have a viable alternative to WM.
    01-09-2007 05:54 PM
  2. chankla's Avatar
    stock chart of Apple vs. Palm and RIM (blackberry folks).

    >ouch<
    01-09-2007 05:56 PM
  3. TopTenTodd's Avatar
    I'll get one just as quick as I can get one unlocked. I'll keep the 680 til then.
    01-09-2007 06:36 PM
  4. whmurray's Avatar
    I'll get one just as quick as I can get one unlocked. I'll keep the 680 til then.
    I am keeping my 650. I am taking offers on my 680.
    01-09-2007 07:35 PM
  5. areyouwishing's Avatar
    The only thing that is a dealbreaker for me is the lack of replaceable battery. Sure, I know it will likely have some kind of backpack add-on, but I don't want to go back to my Treo 600 days. Other than that, HOLY COW. It's almost enough for me to go iTunes up and down (rather than Windows media). And even on that, time will tell.
    The battery is replaceable.
    01-09-2007 07:51 PM
  6. KRamsauer's Avatar
    The battery is replaceable.
    Really? I saw something different, but in all the commotion of the release, who knows what anyone was saying. Inching toward acceptance...
    01-09-2007 08:44 PM
  7. KRamsauer's Avatar
    If anyone can confirm that it will have a replaceable battery, that would be great. Two sources I've found indicate otherwise:
    http://blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownl..._brain_te.html
    http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/0...worst_thi.html
    01-09-2007 08:55 PM
  8. Tissa's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the iPhone has speaker phone capabilities?
    01-09-2007 09:10 PM
  9. archie's Avatar
    As I recall, he said something like, "replaceable like the iPods". Which means it is replaceable but you have to pay a fee. They do it on the spot at Apple Stores. Otherwise you have to send it in.

    It is worth it though if they are getting the 5/16 out of it. I like the way the battery becomes part of the phone case. Something I suggested that Palm should have done here at TreoCentral about a month or 2 ago when I complained about the 680's battery problems... and its price.
    01-09-2007 09:11 PM
  10. mrjoec's Avatar
    It definately has a speakerphone. Steve demonstrated the speakerphone in his Keynote.
    01-09-2007 09:16 PM
  11. ebrandwein's Avatar
    but 2 years with Cingular for $500-$600. No thanks. I'll wait until some unlocked units become available. That and when that virtual keyboard proves itself. I can't see that touchscreen remaining in good shape if it has to do all the heavy lifting.
    01-09-2007 09:18 PM
  12. archie's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the iPhone has speaker phone capabilities?
    Yeh, it has a speakerphone.
    01-09-2007 09:19 PM
  13. ion++'s Avatar
    iphone+BT keyboard+good PIM Office Apps = Nirvana
    Can you walk and type on the keyboard while watching the screen and glance at where you are walking to avoid other passengers?

    Can you press a single letter to see all contacts with names starting with that letter? Scrolling through 34893454534545456458 entries is annoying.
    01-10-2007 05:53 AM
  14. ion++'s Avatar
    I was a bit disappointed with EDGE, too, but with WiFi it won't be that big a deal to me. Especially since in a year my entire city will most likely be wired for WiFi.
    I hope it will be a Class A GSM phone.
    01-10-2007 05:58 AM
  15. whmurray's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the iPhone has speaker phone capabilities?
    Yes.
    01-10-2007 08:52 AM
  16. whmurray's Avatar
    As I recall, he said something like, "replaceable like the iPods". Which means it is replaceable but you have to pay a fee. They do it on the spot at Apple Stores. Otherwise you have to send it in.

    It is worth it though if they are getting the 5/16 out of it. I like the way the battery becomes part of the phone case. Something I suggested that Palm should have done here at TreoCentral about a month or 2 ago when I complained about the 680's battery problems... and its price.
    Replaceable is necessary. Switchable is better.

    While I rarely use it, I carry a spare Treo battery. I value the idea of being free from power sources, particularly when commuting on the train
    01-10-2007 09:26 AM
  17. KRamsauer's Avatar
    As I recall, he said something like, "replaceable like the iPods". Which means it is replaceable but you have to pay a fee. They do it on the spot at Apple Stores. Otherwise you have to send it in.
    That's the confusion. I'll claim victory here: if you have to pay someone to do it and can't do it in 10 seconds yourself, it's not replaceable; it's serviceable.
    01-10-2007 10:36 AM
  18. archie's Avatar
    Well, there are kits that you can get for the iPod that let you replace the battery yourself. They will probably offer these for the iPhone as well.

    Still, fro my point of view I much prefer Apples decision and their engineering prowness in incorporating the battery into the design without allowing for easily switchable feature which invariable takes up more room. It basically bought them an extra hour of battery life. Speaking of battery life, why is everyone knocking the iPhone's battery when it easily bests the Treo 680... and the Nokia E61 and the Moto Q and...etc., etc.
    01-11-2007 05:08 PM
  19. Malatesta's Avatar
    Speaking of battery life, why is everyone knocking the iPhone's battery when it easily bests the Treo 680... and the Nokia E61 and the Moto Q and...etc., etc.
    c'mon archie, now you're getting into the fandom zone.

    This phone is not out and you're taking Apple's word that's what their battery life is? Please. Lets all see what it gets in real world situations. Maybe it'll be better, maybe worse but it is silly to take them at their word since we do not know what conditions they tested under (and where did you see that 5 hour rated time was with BT and wifi enabled? I never saw that mentioned and would like to the source if possible).

    (and for the record, the HTC Dash gets fantastic battery life. Cnet got 11 hours of talk time which was double what it was rated for. The Treo 700wx got 5.8 hours.)
    01-11-2007 05:24 PM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    c'mon archie, now you're getting into the fandom zone.

    This phone is not out and you're taking Apple's word that's what their battery life is?
    actually, some of us who bought the 680 took Palm's word for offering 300 hours of standby. that was obviously a mistake too.
    01-11-2007 06:14 PM
  21. Malatesta's Avatar
    actually, some of us who bought the 680 took Palm's word for offering 300 hours of standby. that was obviously a mistake too.
    I hope you and others will learn from this: wait for real life tests, not what people who are trying to sell you someting want you to believe.
    01-11-2007 06:22 PM
  22. archie's Avatar
    I hope you and others will learn from this: wait for real life tests, not what people who are trying to sell you someting want you to believe.
    Consider the source.
    I trust Apple.

    For what it's worth, when Apple announced the battery life for playing video with the 5G iPod, it underscored it by 1.5 hours. That was a nice surprise.
    01-11-2007 06:45 PM
  23. MacUser's Avatar
    Part of me feels sorry for Palm. The other part is happy to no longer be waiting for POS/UMTS. All of me is glad to have a viable alternative to WM.
    Amen, brother.
    01-11-2007 06:48 PM
  24. MacUser's Avatar
    but 2 years with Cingular for $500-$600. No thanks. I'll wait until some unlocked units become available. That and when that virtual keyboard proves itself. I can't see that touchscreen remaining in good shape if it has to do all the heavy lifting.
    Maybe you can do a 1 year contract and pay a little more? You can usually do that...
    01-11-2007 06:53 PM
  25. Malatesta's Avatar
    Consider the source.
    I trust Apple.

    For what it's worth, when Apple announced the battery life for playing video with the 5G iPod, it underscored it by 1.5 hours. That was a nice surprise.
    Consider the source? Wow. The cult of Mac.

    This is a massive corporation trying to sell you one of the most expensive phones out there and make money.

    Why should I believe them? This is just silly, comparing battery life of existing products to something that no one can touch.

    Forgive me if I'm skeptical and want to wait for 3rd party verification.
    01-11-2007 06:53 PM
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