1. ACHlLLES's Avatar
    It may be a big seller for average users, like people who are coming over from regular cell phones.
    01-09-2007 06:17 PM
  2. Beryl's Avatar
    This thread does not belong in the 700w forum.
    01-09-2007 06:20 PM
  3. cking's Avatar
    The iPhone has me about 90% sure that I will be changing over to Cingular from Sprint, where I have been a multi-line customer for about eight years. I remember seeing a quote a few weeks back from a higher-up at Palm, either here on this site or Engadget or some other tech site. It went something like "we're not worried about Apple, they don't have the experience to compete in the smartphone arena".

    Hate to burst your bubble Palm, but you were just taught a lesson this afternoon, and that is to not rest on your laurels for too long. The iPhone is far from perfect, but it is a heck of a lot closer than the Treo. I would gladly trade EVDO data for EDGE, as long as I was getting that 320x480/160ppi screen in place of the crummy 240x240 WM screen. And I would gladly trade 8GB of built-in storage and no card slot for the Treo card slot that only recognizes up to 4GB in its slot anyways.

    The rest is just gravy...thinner, lighter, 802.11b/g, BT 2.0 EDR, iPod dock connector (accessories!), 2.0MP video cam, iPod functionality, etc. This phone is even better than all the rumors were making it out to be, a pleasant surprise. The integration between all of the features looks amazing, just like using a Mac. Windows Mobile is not like using Windows on a desktop computer. The price for all of us Treo owners is pretty much a non-factor, because were used to spending $400+ on phones, sometimes a couple of times a year.

    This next few months more than likely will be my last Sprint contract, and I would even consider an ETF if I had to, but I should be able to wait it out. Like I mentioned, I am a long-time Sprint customer and a big Treo fan, going back to the original, hideous Treo 300, the Treo 600, the Treo 650, and now the 700wx, so this will probably be a big change for me.
    01-09-2007 06:21 PM
  4. Jdoc's Avatar
    Cingular really knows how to utalize there new 3-G network taking on the iphone Junker with edge download speeds-WOW
    Im sure many kids will like it for the cool factor.All that extra space for mp3 downloads fits great in there lunch box and back packs in school.
    Dude, thats too funny!

    This thread does not belong in the 700w forum.
    Your post doesnt belong in this thread either.

    If you think its in the wrong forum why are you replying with irrelevant information then?

    and the OP especifically asked who is going do ditch their 700wx for the iPhone. Not the 700p, 650, 680.
    01-09-2007 06:30 PM
  5. brightcell's Avatar
    01-09-2007 07:04 PM
  6. mkjellman's Avatar
    i too was worried when i first heard it was totally touch screen. I'll have to try it myself but apple has filed 200 patients on this phone alone.....i have a feeling after seeing steve type that they have have it work..

    in theory they are right, buttons arn't great, but i too agree that after my 6700 experience, i like the buttons. Windows Mobile sucks so i'll take that ok, which seemed very fast in the demos in the keynote over anything microsoft has to date..

    and also, have you seen the new upgrade "Crossbow" to WM....they changed the colors a bit....microsoft, you need to really change things up and make it so i don't have to soft reset once every 1-3 days...
    01-09-2007 07:52 PM
  7. Vander's Avatar
    I agree with Cking's post Palm and others just got a lesson in product development and marketing. CES was a bust compared to Steve's announcement today. From a numbers standpoint, if apple gets only 10 percent of their installed base of ipod users to convert they will represent the largest smartphone company bar none! For that matter Cingular only has 58 million users total, as compared to Apple's 100 million user base.

    Sure I love my 700w that rarely syncs on the first time, needs to be rebooted about every other day, locks up when it runs out of memory...those who talk about this as a toy...I'd rather have a toy that works than a business tool that taxes my productivity.

    I'm jumping ship...phone contract or not...just give me a device that works!

    Congrat's Steve...good job!
    01-09-2007 08:04 PM
  8. bmargolis's Avatar
    Who is ditching their 700w/wx for this thing. I absolutely love my treo, but this thing appears to be amazing at first glance.
    Steve Jobs thinks Apple users don't use or want Exchange??? I use a Mac at work and really love it, but I could not live without Exchange Server. My Treo 700wx is a valuable business tool. I use Entourage on my Mac to get to my Exchange Server. No one else in the office uses it and I'l slowly showing them the advantages.

    How do Mac users get Exchange "like" features? Is there a product for the Mac that I don't know about?

    Bob
    01-09-2007 08:07 PM
  9. Slingbox's Avatar
    What I do like about the Iphone junker is the wake up call to WM and friends.
    There going to be pretty busy at last fixing the shortcomings of there future device release before made avalible to public.

    Were this apple falls off the tree?
    Collage Kids hands
    Iphone junker+WIFI+collage campus wifi networks are apples main target which =$$$$$
    01-09-2007 08:13 PM
  10. NextDream's Avatar
    It's there too:
    www.apple.com/iphone
    After watching that keynote address, you would be hard pressed to find a more comprehensive phone/multimedia unit....and i'm not even an apple fan.
    01-09-2007 08:15 PM
  11. Casabooboo's Avatar
    Not a big Ipod fan, so will have to wait and see.
    My BIG concern is the battery life. Me thinks will need to carry 14 batteries to get through the day!
    01-09-2007 08:26 PM
  12. NextDream's Avatar
    Twist it, and crack the screen.... seems way too fragile.
    There is a $6 a month cure for that's called Total Equipment Protection. We already have it on treos and who wouldn't have insurance on a $600 phone?

    Im sure there will be no shortage of cases...silicone, leather, hard plastic.
    01-09-2007 08:27 PM
  13. fumblerooski's Avatar
    Hmmm, not sure what to make of it...

    1. This thing will prolly scratch like a biotch
    2. No hard keyboard sucks. This means NO SPEED DIAL and no contacts search without navigating menus. This is one thing I love about the Today screen.
    3. No office/productivity/exchange software? Did I miss that?
    4. Slow data
    5. Cingular only
    6. No expandable memory is a big deal. 4 or 8 gigs on board is very nice, though
    7. Is there a scroll wheel on the side like a blackberry? I didn't see the keynote but the online demo looks like there is some type of scrolling function. It appears to be a touchscreen scrolling function which will probably be tough to master.

    Pros:

    1. The UI does look very nice and that screen is *****in. I'd be curious to see how call quality is and how the phone handles multitasking (if it even can). I'm sure you can listen to music while on the web.
    2. The enhanced music software is big for me as WMPM is hardly the bees' knees.
    3. The web rendering with zoom is great
    4. GPS with Google maps partnership? Nice!

    I don't know, I think this will be a great toy/status symbol but I think it will fall short for a business device. I do think that the tweener smartphone will be a big market in years to come as most people want more out of their cell phones but don't need all the Treo has to offer.
    01-09-2007 08:47 PM
  14. Deltaflyer's Avatar
    My BIG concern is the battery life. Me thinks will need to carry 14 batteries to get through the day!
    Me too! And the rumor is the battery isn't replaceable. Therefore, no upgrades.
    01-09-2007 09:12 PM
  15. mkjellman's Avatar
    Hmmm, not sure what to make of it...

    1. This thing will prolly scratch like a biotch

    -finger prints, yes, but no more than my treo screen

    2. No hard keyboard sucks. This means NO SPEED DIAL and no contacts search without navigating menus. This is one thing I love about the Today screen.

    -agree with you here

    3. No office/productivity/exchange software? Did I miss that?

    -there is push email with yahoo imap, free to all users (compared to a cal for either BBC or Exchange)


    4. Slow data

    -yes, give them time....very few phones on the market are HSPDA and they have been working on this for 2+ years

    5. Cingular only

    -Cingular sucks, but recently verzion hasn't been impressing me...maybe i've been on the otherside for too long


    6. No expandable memory is a big deal. 4 or 8 gigs on board is very nice, though

    -REALLY disagree with you here. This is what made the iPod so popular..its simple...4 to 8 gigs is enough for the lifespan and intended use of the device


    7. Is there a scroll wheel on the side like a blackberry? I didn't see the keynote but the online demo looks like there is some type of scrolling function. It appears to be a touchscreen scrolling function which will probably be tough to master.

    -you should watch the keynote...there is no scroll wheel...apple reinvented the way to scroll by actually moving things around with the multi-touch screen...i think this is actually much easier than clicking a small arrow on a treo in the bottom right corner or using a jog wheel ala RIM....BUT, i have yet to use the phone....touching the actual thing and moving it just seems natural to me...to each there own, thats why we have capitalism


    Pros:

    1. The UI does look very nice and that screen is *****in. I'd be curious to see how call quality is and how the phone handles multitasking (if it even can). I'm sure you can listen to music while on the web.

    -steve spent a lot of time showing the multitasking of the phone...he actually was on a call, pulled up the iPhoto equivalent, attached it in an email, sent it while on the call (plus to using GSM) and then continued talking to Phil....try doing that in WM5 (at least on a 700w)


    2. The enhanced music software is big for me as WMPM is hardly the bees' knees.

    -the interface with coverflow can't be beat


    3. The web rendering with zoom is great
    4. GPS with Google maps partnership? Nice!

    I don't know, I think this will be a great toy/status symbol but I think it will fall short for a business device. I do think that the tweener smartphone will be a big market in years to come as most people want more out of their cell phones but don't need all the Treo has to offer.
    we just need to see how yahoo deals with this...if there is push email i really am not tied to exchange for getting it to my phone as long as i am allowed to keep my address......

    also, coming from the 6700 i'm not totally sold on a soft keyboard, but apple did do a lot of innovation and some who have used the phone are describing it as (rubbery) which may help typing...this is going to be very personal and not as universal as the scroll wheel on ipods...


    i really recommend you check out the keynote or website however...you may learn a thing or two (from a dedicated Treo user)
    01-09-2007 09:42 PM
  16. Certs's Avatar
    I heard on my way to work today that Apple was anouncing this, but Interenet is down @ work so I couldn't see it. Initial thoughts? Wow! I know you are all critical of it, but think about what just happened:

    There is now a Mac OS X MOBILE! I don't own, nor do I plan to own, a Mac, but for the mobile world as a whole this is big, BIG news. At first glance is "appears" to be more desktop-like, a technology that Microsoft is YEARS behind with.

    Proximity sensor? If this is anything like the scroll wheel its going to be worth the patent.

    8GB memory, BT 2.0, WIFI, and quad band GSM in a device the size of a NANO basically. How did they do that?

    You turn the phone sideways and it automatically goes to landscape. Holla

    I wouldn't think about this phone until a 3G version comes out (which it will, I'm sure) but the whole mobile OS market has just gotten a whole lot more interesting.
    01-09-2007 09:58 PM
  17. Casabooboo's Avatar
    Me too! And the rumor is the battery isn't replaceable. Therefore, no upgrades.
    If this is true, no way!!! They can keep it. It's a deal breaker for a phone, maybe not a ipod, but a phone!! dumb!!!!
    01-09-2007 10:27 PM
  18. cking's Avatar
    If this is true, no way!!! They can keep it. It's a deal breaker for a phone, maybe not a ipod, but a phone!! dumb!!!!
    From the Apple web site, it quotes "up to 5 hours of talk/video/browsing, and up to 16 hours of audio playback". I'd say that beats my Treo, and I even have the Seidio high-cap battery...

    Also, for those missing the shortcuts on the Today screen for Speed dial...look at pics of the iPhone, see the widgets? Look at all the empty spaces, these widgets will be to the iPhone what programs are to our Treos. Developers will have a field day with this, just like on the Mac.

    In fact, I myself have never understood the usefulness of widgets on my Mac. I would imagine most people usually have a browser window open with a bunch of tabs, so you can get your data this way. But on the small-screen of a smartphone, widgets make a ton of sense...quick and easy bursts of data, optimized for one handed use...
    01-09-2007 11:53 PM
  19. J_Uneek's Avatar
    The phone is awesome........ for everyone but business users. If my boss wanted me to update an excel sheet or powerpoint while I'm on the go (unless them adding Ofice apps is in the works) I'm at a loss. Do any of you create or edit office documents with your phone? I think this is a weakness being overlook.

    Aside from that this baby is sweet. From the proximity sensors, scrolling functions, full browser, OS X, beautiful screen it's just mindblowing.
    01-10-2007 08:16 AM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    i'm sure it will have word/pdf capability....spreadsheet? who knows. have i ever been able to successfully look at the office spreadsheet work i do on a Treo? fak no.
    01-10-2007 09:00 AM
  21. Deltaflyer's Avatar
    From the Apple web site, it quotes "up to 5 hours of talk/video/browsing, and up to 16 hours of audio playback". I'd say that beats my Treo, and I even have the Seidio high-cap battery...
    BUT, it sure is nice to have a charged spare battery for those instances when you need it.
    01-10-2007 10:18 AM
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