1. akijikan's Avatar
    not when the iPhone is doing what it's doing.
    01-09-2007 01:32 PM
  2. Treodoctor's Avatar
    5 hours talk
    16 hours just listening to audio.

    Palm's done.
    01-09-2007 01:38 PM
  3. ambtreo's Avatar
    Battery life on this new Apple is. . . . .?
    10:43 am 16 hours just for audio
    10:43 am 5 hours of battery life

    http://www.macrumorslive.com/

    5 hours of battery for TALK time I would imagine. 16hrs is fine for an iPod, but less than 12 as a PDA will not cut it. This could be a deal breaker...
    01-09-2007 01:39 PM
  4. ambtreo's Avatar
    10:47 am 8GB model - $599
    10:47 am 4GB model - $499

    I'm not sure if this pricing assumes a 2 yr. contract. If not, it is competitive with the 700 series Treo's.
    01-09-2007 01:41 PM
  5. ambtreo's Avatar
    10:47 am 8GB model - $599
    10:47 am 4GB model - $499

    I'm not sure if this pricing assumes a 2 yr. contract. If not, it is competitive with the 700 series Treo's.
    These prices are with a 2yr contract so the iPhone is about $200 more expensive than a 700p.
    01-09-2007 01:44 PM
  6. Nesta's Avatar
    $499 with 2 yr contract for 4GB model
    $599 with 2 yr contract for 8GB model

    I know it's also doubles as an iPod but I don't place much value on an 8GB iPod. Anything less than 40 gb is useless to me so I'd still have to carry myiPod anyway. I view this solely as a smartphone.

    That and my reluctance to give up $20 unlimited data for the two phones on my sprint accounts vs. ~$40 per phone ($80) for data on Cingular will keep me from pulling the trigger but this phone slays the Treo in many ways. If Cingular works on a mutliphoen data pricing plan I'd be very intrigued.

    However, I wonder if this phone will ever be able to be integrated into huge multinational corporations like mine that rigidly control what can and can't access our desktops.
    01-09-2007 01:45 PM
  7. ambtreo's Avatar
    5 hours talk
    16 hours just listening to audio.

    Palm's done.
    16 for data only is fine. My concerns are travel oriented. Not trying to be overly cynical as the iPhone is a kick *** product.

    8gb storage
    ipod
    3.5" screen audio
    built in speaker
    Seamless syncing for contacts, email...
    Bluetooth 2.0
    OSX OS
    Bluetooth 2.0
    2MP camera
    Intuitive, patented touch screen design.
    No buttons
    Qwerty touch screen keyboard
    Camcorder/Video/Photo's
    Safari
    IMAP push email like Chatter!

    This is f'n impressive!
    01-09-2007 01:48 PM
  8. ambtreo's Avatar
    ...However, I wonder if this phone will ever be able to be integrated into huge multinational corporations like mine that rigidly control what can and can't access our desktops.
    I don't think Steve Jobs is concerned with corporate users. This device is targeted to individuals, not corporations. Just like the iPod.
    01-09-2007 01:50 PM
  9. ambtreo's Avatar
    My 16yr old is on Cingular. She was just bemoaning the fact that she got a Nano last year instead of a Video iPod.

    I have a feeling that her Motorola Razr is now out the window.

    (She felt the Treo was too shirt pencil protector geeky last year.)

    This one is not.
    Perry -

    After all the years you've spent slaving away with POS, can you imagine OSX on a smartphone? Never, ever, ever having to experience a reset? The bar has been raised for Colligan & Co. on the OS alone. Palm really has their work cut out for them.

    I am going to go out on a limb here, but I would bet you that the iPhone causes Palm to sell to Microsoft within 1 year.
    01-09-2007 01:52 PM
  10. Nesta's Avatar
    this is a killer phone. What kind of battery does it use? Will one need to replace the phone every 18 months because the battery dies. (of course there's apple care)

    (I won't be buying the phone because I'm too cheap to give up my $20 unlimited data on Sprint for both of the phones in our house)
    01-09-2007 01:53 PM
  11. Nesta's Avatar
    I don't think Steve Jobs is concerned with corporate users. This device is targeted to individuals, not corporations. Just like the iPod.
    I don't want to carry around multiple devices to keep my schedule straight. Apple will do just fine without folks like me that don't want to double enter calendar events and contacts.
    01-09-2007 01:59 PM
  12. ambtreo's Avatar
    We live in great times!

    I am still stuck with my old habits and 10 years of Palm software and $15 dollar unlimited Internet on Sprint, which I am getting free on a SERO plan.

    What is Cingular at now?


    I edited my last post: What has Jobs named this puppy?
    It's named iPhone. Apple negotiated a buyout of the iPhone trademark from CISCO. Cisco announced that and their stock is up as well.
    01-09-2007 02:05 PM
  13. Chatter's Avatar
    A few random thoughts...

    It's gorgeous; no two questions.

    The 5 hour talk time strikes me as unlikely; this is physics, not software. They can't have a huge battery due to form factor, and transmitters eat power. Anything's possible, but color me skeptical.

    The thing is BIG (at least an inch longer than the Treo, maybe more).

    Cingular's unlimited internet plans are $49/month, and the cost is $500 with 2-year contract. It's not cheap.

    Marc
    01-09-2007 02:34 PM
  14. linoox's Avatar
    lovely specs!

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html

    Technical Specifications
    Screen size 3.5 inches
    Screen resolution 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
    Input method Multi-touch
    Operating system OS X
    Storage 4GB or 8GB
    GSM Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
    Wireless data Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
    Camera 2.0 megapixels
    Battery

    * Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
    * Up to 16 hours Audio playback

    Dimensions 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
    Weight 4.8 ounces / 135 grams
    01-09-2007 02:40 PM
  15. Nesta's Avatar
    A few random thoughts...

    Cingular's unlimited Internet plans are $49/month, and the cost is $500 with 2-year contract. It's not cheap.

    Marc
    Even with my company discount I'm looking at $80/month for data for two phones on Cingular vs. the $20/month for data I now pay on sprint. So I'd have to believe that this apparently amazing device is worth $720 a year over my current setup above and beyond the $600 purchase price.

    Can't say that right now. Can't wait to see the real thing in June though.
    01-09-2007 02:40 PM
  16. mohammei's Avatar
    this thing looks "precious"...
    even though i just shelled out a bunch of money for an unlocked 680, i would definitely consider getting this...echoing what everyone else has said, it all depends on what it looks like when its actually delivered (because Jobs is a terribly good salesman but this does look a little too good to be true)...if it does work, i am so looking forward to not having to find third-party apps to sync my palm info to Mac.
    that said, as a "switcher" and refugee from the corporate world, i can see how this would not work for business (and Windows) users...
    01-09-2007 04:37 PM
  17. bclancy's Avatar
    I won't buy this device but I see this an a glimpse of the future, and definitely an indication that the Palm will need to change their game if they want to continue long-term in the smartphone market.

    Acording to the article here in TC (http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/1044-1.htm):

    "... The normal mobile phone market is huge. Apple's goal by 2008 is to have 1% marketsahre = 10 Million units (957 M phones out total out there). ..."

    To me, that ain't gonna happen at the "early adoptor" price. They'll probably drop the price to around ipod price levels. I doubt Apple would want to go lower than that.

    Also, keep in mind this will be a great learning experience for Apple, and they'll offer more compelling devices after they see how the market reacts. It's interesting to see how they went after consumers instead of fighting with RIM and PalmOSoft. Yes, I think this device is likely to be "disruptive", in terms of a robustness and quality of features and O/S. Palm had better get that "next big idea" of theirs out the door in the same timeframe or they'll lose the market. I think Apple's marketshare goals are overly-optimistic,but it's nice to see a better, game-changing player enter the smartphone market!
    01-09-2007 09:14 PM
  18. KRamsauer's Avatar
    Why I think I'm not going this route: battery life (and more importantly the lack of a switchable battery), no SD card and lack of add on software. While these may change long-term, right now, it ain't happening. HOWEVER, the big bonfire that this will light under the collective rear of the smartphone market will be an unmitigated plus.
    01-10-2007 10:42 AM
  19. Bob-C's Avatar
    Why would you need an SD card when this thing has models with 4GB and 8GB built in. The largest SD that Palm officially supports is 2GB. Of course you can spend a week or so hacking your Treo and hoping the 4GB or 8GB SD card card you bought works reliably.

    As for the form factor, check the specs and measue your Treo. It's not 1" longer. The size is deceptive since it has no keyboard. It is also .5 " thinner.
    01-10-2007 12:07 PM
  20. KRamsauer's Avatar
    Why would you need an SD card when this thing has models with 4GB and 8GB built in.
    It's the quickest way of getting data onto the device from any computer. I can pop my USB SD card into a PC, download a movie and it's on my phone. I can't do that if I don't have the cable with the iPhone. Wifi mitigates that somewhat, I suppose, but there are places where Wifi isn't (like my office, which is really the situation I'm speaking of). I'm also going to be curious as to how open the Wifi is -- how easy it will be to make it do what I want.

    We'll see. I think it's going to be a great seller, but as with so many other things, perhaps not for me. I still don't own an iPod.
    01-10-2007 12:18 PM
  21. PSB22's Avatar
    A big part of the thickness of the treo is in the "Armor" around the edge of the screen. The Treo screen actually set-in from the front of the device by a good 2mm. Apple got around this by using a glass screen (which apparently is more scratch resistant - yeah right!) and therefore it doesn't need the protective armor around the edges.

    Same goes for the keyboard - look at your treo sideways and see how much the 5-way sticks out.

    The apple also has no removeable battery cover (since the batt is non-replacable as of so far).

    Betcha' palm could shave a good 3mm off the treo without changing any of the "guts", just filing the edges and using metal instead of plastic where needed. That's the difference - Apple saw size as an issue, Palm cheaped-out and used plastic, and the end user pays the price of a larger form factor.
    01-10-2007 02:39 PM
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