1. mobileman's Avatar
    I cant believe we have to wait to June. Thats 6 months of treo users wondering if it has threaded sms.
    01-09-2007 02:49 PM
  2. vinman's Avatar


    It sure is lovely though. I might just get it to play with. But if it does not run existing desktop software, or needs a whole new base of third-party software it may not be for me.

    Surur
    FOR ALL GIZMODO READERS - THIS IS NOT ACTUAL SIZE...

    01-09-2007 02:50 PM
  3. marcol's Avatar
    Thats irrelevant when it comes to web browsing, displaying video and pictures, spread sheets and word documents.
    All of which many of us have been doing on much lower res screens. Sure all other things being equal more pixels and a bigger screen will be better for many functions (a laptop would be far superior all of the things you mention), but all things aren't equal and for phones size matters. I wonder how big your Omni will be? At least twice the volume and at least 50% heavier than the iPhone would be my guess.

    EDIT ... and one percent as pretty
    01-09-2007 02:52 PM
  4. archie's Avatar
    What. The 650 has a 320X320 2.5" screen. That comes out to 180 pixel/inch.
    That's what I'm saying the Treo 650 doesn't use anti-aliasing... or CORE Image or CORE Animation. Apple's phone does and has a better picture because of it. I think its funny that we are talking about these specs because in the end — you cannot see any pixels on the screen of this phone. This is what I'm saying. It is like the screen is holding actual objects, not representations of them based on little backlit pixels.

    This is what I mean by innovation.
    01-09-2007 02:52 PM
  5. vinman's Avatar
    Speculation??? sorry but it's all over apple's site and in the keynote that it is EDGE only. yeah it sucks for us(and apple) but for some reason they have left out 3g. for me it's not a huge concern cause I'm usually near a wifi network.
    Not necessarily a deal breaker for me, either - but I still wonder how it'll fare in data rich cultures like the EU and Asia where high speed data is the norm. This is the ONE lacking feature, however, that may make me stay away. I'll have to see it in person to make the final decision. I'm going ahead with my 8525 order next week anyway. We should have 3G in my area in the next few weeks, so I can determine how important that is in the meantime.
    01-09-2007 02:54 PM
  6. vw2002's Avatar
    FOR ALL GIZMODO READERS - THIS IS NOT ACTUAL SIZE...

    absolutely gorgeous... that will trump the treo, blackberry, q, and the htc omni.... no question. sex appeal plus the features equals victory
    01-09-2007 02:55 PM
  7. PDR447's Avatar
    I cant believe we have to wait to June. Thats 6 months of treo users wondering if it has threaded sms.
    yes it has threaded sms. look on the site. it's just like apple's ichat app.
    01-09-2007 02:57 PM
  8. whatever7's Avatar
    That's what I'm saying the Treo 650 doesn't use anti-aliasing... or CORE Image or CORE Animation. Apple's phone does and has a better picture because of it. I think its funny that we are talking about these specs because in the end you cannot see any pixels on the screen of this phone. This is what I'm saying. It is like the screen is holding actual objects, not representations of them based on little backlit pixels.

    This is what I mean by innovation.
    No that was not what you were saying. You were saying 160px/in is top of tier spec. Now you are talking about something else, which I am not disagreeing with. I have not doubting that it has one of the best screens. Anti alaising is not a selling point however. I don't care about it on desktop anyway.
    01-09-2007 02:59 PM
  9. PDR447's Avatar
    one of my majpr concerns is going to by typing on the touch screen. gonna have to try that out before I buy it for sure. could make texting a pain in the *** if the touch keyboard sucks.
    01-09-2007 03:00 PM
  10. surur's Avatar
    That's what I'm saying the Treo 650 doesn't use anti-aliasing... or CORE Image or CORE Animation. Apple's phone does and has a better picture because of it. I think its funny that we are talking about these specs because in the end you cannot see any pixels on the screen of this phone. This is what I'm saying. It is like the screen is holding actual objects, not representations of them based on little backlit pixels.
    We are talking about artist mock-ups here. Of course you will be able to see individual pixels on such a low res screen. Only 320 pixels wide is pretty unimpressive.

    All of which many of us have been doing on much lower res screens.
    Speak for yourself I have been VGA since 2005. Anyway, my main point is that to use desktop optimized apps you need a higher resolution. I was thinking of running Mac Outlook to keep my PIM etc, so obviously I need a high res. But if I cant run real desktop apps then i really need to know what range of third party software is available.

    Surur
    01-09-2007 03:03 PM
  11. aznmode's Avatar
    I agree about the keyboard. Ive always been a favor of hard button over soft buttons. We wont really know till this thing comes out.
    01-09-2007 03:06 PM
  12. vinman's Avatar
    Hey - It's on the Cingular site - YAY Cingular for not waiting WEEKS (or longer) to get this up!

    http://www.cingular.com/cell-phone-s...s/signMeUp.jsp
    01-09-2007 03:19 PM
  13. mobileman's Avatar
    heres a link to a movie of apple showing the email app, with the on screen keyboard. I think I might miss the 5-way, but it looks usable.


    http://images.apple.com/movies/us/ap...f_20070109.mov
    01-09-2007 03:26 PM
  14. marcol's Avatar
    We are talking about artist mock-ups here. Of course you will be able to see individual pixels on such a low res screen. Only 320 pixels wide is pretty unimpressive.



    Speak for yourself I have been VGA since 2005. Anyway, my main point is that to use desktop optimized apps you need a higher resolution. I was thinking of running Mac Outlook to keep my PIM etc, so obviously I need a high res. But if I cant run real desktop apps then i really need to know what range of third party software is available.
    The phone UI and the apps shown seem to be tailored to the device. I think they have to be. If they didn't do that it would be necessary to 1) show only bit of what is shown on a laptop/desk top screen or 2) make everything really tiny. Either of those would probably be a disaster. I'd be very, very surprised if the device were able to just take a desktop app and make it run in acceptable fashion. My guess is that all apps will need at least some work before they're usable on the phone (possibly before they'll run at all). Widgets might be an exception.

    As for running Entourage (what Outlook is called on the Mac), you'd probably have to ask Microsoft. I imagine that there will be basic syncing of PIM with Windows Outlook (just as there is with current iPods) but then you'd need to view, manage and use the data from the in-built apps - iCal (seems to be called just 'Calendar'), Address Book, Notes.
    01-09-2007 03:32 PM
  15. marcol's Avatar
    Notably:

    "Runs version of OSX. "Full desktop-class applications"


    http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2007/...09135244.shtml

    "Full desktop-class applications" is quite different to "Full desktop applications"
    01-09-2007 03:42 PM
  16. MacUser's Avatar
    YES! I was hoping to drive by the local Apple store and pick up an iPhone but I guess I'll just have to wait till June.

    I am SO glad I waited to get a new phone

    What's Apple's stock at now?
    01-09-2007 05:04 PM
  17. vw2002's Avatar
    $92 and change. Up $7.00 today.
    01-09-2007 05:30 PM
  18. vw2002's Avatar
    Just the iphone's announcement wiped out a considerable portion of both RIMM and PALM'S stock prices.
    01-09-2007 05:33 PM
  19. oalvarez's Avatar
    soft keyboard could spell its demise for the business user....not sure how they could design the onscreen keyboard to allow accurate and effective typing. my experience is that the soft keyboards don't work very well given the size/proximity of the keys.
    01-09-2007 05:47 PM
  20. oalvarez's Avatar
    i'm sure battery life has been covered but i can't believe that it could power so much and still keep up.

    LOVE THE PRODUCT so far especially as a secondary device (weekender, fun phone)
    01-09-2007 05:48 PM
  21. oalvarez's Avatar
    wider than a treo 680, taller than a treo 680. not as thin as a MotoQ/Jack... Pearl is still smallest and lightest (i think, or close to). i still like the design but really hate the idea of the soft-keyboard. email still a question mark but all the other creature comforts would be lots of fun to have when on the go. i don't think it could replace my primary business device at this point.

    the thing is slick
    01-09-2007 05:57 PM
  22. archie's Avatar
    Thats irrelevant when it comes to web browsing, displaying video and pictures, spread sheets and word documents. Real pixels count. This is especially true if it can run real desktop apps.

    Surur
    It is clear that I am always wrong here at TreoCentral (I post here for amusement in case you haven't noticed) so take daringfireball's one and only comment as proof:

    "What you cannot appreciate looking at iPhone photographs on your computer display is how amazing its screen is. 166 DPI is an amazing resolution — tiny, tiny text is amazingly legible. And the device itself is very thin."

    http://daringfireball.net/

    This is the oppisite of what to expect from every other manufacturer - using fake screens in photo shots, the real screen always holds a disappointment when compared to photography shots; where as with Apple's phone, you will not be disappointed, you will be impressed because it will look better in person.
    01-09-2007 07:24 PM
  23. archie's Avatar
    We are talking about artist mock-ups here. Of course you will be able to see individual pixels on such a low res screen. Only 320 pixels wide is pretty unimpressive.
    You're an *****.
    01-09-2007 07:26 PM
  24. archie's Avatar
    No that was not what you were saying. You were saying 160px/in is top of tier spec. Now you are talking about something else, which I am not disagreeing with. I have not doubting that it has one of the best screens. Anti alaising is not a selling point however. I don't care about it on desktop anyway.
    I see what you are saying. My intent was to have the sentence following the pixel count then address other factors that should be considered for screen quality.

    The sentence that follows was to talk about how the OS effects this.

    One other point that I didn't mention are hardware specs that are not listed as specs. Things like the quality of the screen (ie: say the space between each of the screen pixels, not pixel density- on Apple's phone this space is practically 0, certainly 0 to the naked eye).
    01-09-2007 07:37 PM
  25. surur's Avatar
    You're an *****.
    I can see your endearing personality has nothing to do with you disappearing from TreoCentral.

    Surur
    01-09-2007 07:38 PM
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