1. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Looks like they're saying the pics are a lot of speculation though. However, I would still be interested in testing it if they release the phone. Would be nice if they put 3G on it along with the supposed wifi!
    11-24-2006 05:31 PM
  2. Certs's Avatar
    Archie- You seem to be describing a sync similar to Exchange Server SP2 AUTD technology from Microsoft. I wouldn't be surprised to see it from apple, there is no question that the smartphone market continues to rise.

    Now, I am not an apple fan, but I am well aware that those who use Mac's are very loyal. Apple knows this also, and if it can start carving a niche in this market, they will profit off of it in the long run. I see the "Iphone" as an ipod with a phone, not a PDA w/an ipod. If they do make a smartphone, it won't be the iphone.

    If apple were to figure out how to make the "best " smartphone out there today, learning from Palm and Microsoft's mistakes, then kudos to them. If it will sync with Windows, I will buy it. I don't owe MS anything, no need to argue and give half-a$$ed comments about a device that doesn't exist yet!
    11-24-2006 10:09 PM
  3. archie's Avatar
    I so wish Sony haven't moved to the stupid M2 memory card. Hopefully the iPhone will have some memory build in.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Apple will never use card based memory like CompactFlash cards, SD cards or miniSD cards. They will be using built-in flash memory in all of their iPods and phone products.

    BTW I was in Hong Kong yesterday. Nobody uses the big iPod, I mean NOBODY. You may be able to find the new iPod nano but the market is over ran by Sony and Nokia music phones. I almost brought an egg-shaped tiny mp3 player for my friend.
    Exactly. Hong Kong is one reason why Apple will be entering the phone market. It should be looked upon as expanding their market share in the music player realm - just as they did with the iPod mini a few years back and then later on with the iPod Shuffle. Now they will be introducing a new iPod product to cater to yet another fraction of the music market.

    I only bring this up here because the information seems to have flooded the net this week; but as you all know by now, a few of Apple's phone details have escaped. Hardware-wise, Kevin Rose of diggnation revealed that Apple will allay everyone's fears that a music player/phone combo could be disasterous (despite what every Hong Kong user thinks) because of the music features draining battery life and then being stuck without use of a phone. Apple had the foresight to actually supply two seperate batteries to power the phone features and the music features. Seems to be such a simple solution - yet no one has thought of it... until now.

    And we also now know that Apple will be able to cater to the multiple phone markets because it will be able to work on most any network (like GPRS, GSM, Sprint PCS, Wi-Fi or even WiMax) utilizing Intel's software-defined radio for adaptability... and to also cut costs.

    It seems that Apple will be releasing 2 models:
    one model will be priced at $249 with 4GB of flash memory
    another model at $449 will have an additional 4GB of memory and additional features

    BUT... as you all know, this is all just speculation at this point and I am in no position to pronounce what the future holds for Apple or what Apple holds for the future.
    12-04-2006 04:05 AM
  4. Thelonius's Avatar
    I think by looking for an apple feature list to determine it if will be successful, or a threat to existing smart phones most of you have already missed the mark. Certainly it is this lack of foresight that will bite ED in the butt, yet again.

    Let's look at the iPod for some perspective.

    Is the iPod the least expensive player in the market? No, every model is more expensive than many competitors for each given model.

    Is the iPod the most feature filled player? No. No bluetooth, no radio, no recording, etc, etc.

    Is the iPod the most reliable. No. They have certainly been plagued with battery issues and let's not forget the issues with the early nano's gettign scratched.

    In short, Apple could pretty much release a complete dog of a phone with a pretty case, and people will buy it in significant enough numbers that Palm, and every other handset manufacturer will feel a definate impact from it.

    I can't imagine whi it would even be a debate. People are stupid. If it has an apple logo on it, the first gen will be snapped up enthusiastically. The real question is will Apple come out with a good enough product to compel people to buy a second one and brag about it to their friends.
    12-04-2006 03:46 PM
  5. archie's Avatar
    I think by looking for an apple feature list to determine it if will be successful, or a threat to existing smart phones most of you have already missed the mark. Certainly it is this lack of foresight that will bite ED in the butt, yet again.

    Let's look at the iPod for some perspective.

    Is the iPod the least expensive player in the market? No, every model is more expensive than many competitors for each given model.

    Is the iPod the most feature filled player? No. No bluetooth, no radio, no recording, etc, etc.

    Is the iPod the most reliable. No. They have certainly been plagued with battery issues and let's not forget the issues with the early nano's gettign scratched.

    In short, Apple could pretty much release a complete dog of a phone with a pretty case, and people will buy it in significant enough numbers that Palm, and every other handset manufacturer will feel a definate impact from it.

    I can't imagine whi it would even be a debate. People are stupid. If it has an apple logo on it, the first gen will be snapped up enthusiastically. The real question is will Apple come out with a good enough product to compel people to buy a second one and brag about it to their friends.
    You seemed to have glossed over the 2 important factors (I know, you are disappointed that pretty cases do not make a successful Apple product) that contribute to an Apple success: timing of delivery and attention to detail.
    12-05-2006 11:06 PM
  6. specimen38's Avatar
    I'll have to disagree with you playa... Apple makes great products. But the product is not just a device you hold in your hand. For every negative, there's 2 positive that drives their products. The invention of a delivery system beginning at the iPod click-wheel, on thru the iTunes client Software, on to the iTunes internet Music Store was brilliant. Add in the invention of podcasting and most importantly the savvy to convince the music industry that they were going to lose their industry to illegal downloading and you have the makings of a great product. In the end, Bluetooth, scratches, wifi and batteries become meaningless when people like my "grandmother" can figure this stuff out.

    Five+ years ago, the music industry was bleeding red and on its way to hell. I was fat downloading on Napster. Apple helped save the music industry by making the legal downloading experience "cool."

    Now....regarding the iPhone..... These guys are going to make a compelling product. No doubt! Steve Jobs has been carrying this thing around since last Spring showing it and rallying his friends. But like the Macintosh, it's not for everybody. Neither is Cingular's 8525 or Blackberry Pearl for everybody. At least certainly not for me. But I plan to give the Apple iPhone a look.

    What would be most unfortunate is if Apple manages in "one try" to deliver a PDA/iPhone that is superior to Palm's nearly 20 years of mastery and expertise in this area. That would be Ed Colligan's signal to then start crying.

    I think by looking for an apple feature list to determine it if will be successful, or a threat to existing smart phones most of you have already missed the mark. Certainly it is this lack of foresight that will bite ED in the butt, yet again.

    Let's look at the iPod for some perspective.

    Is the iPod the least expensive player in the market? No, every model is more expensive than many competitors for each given model.

    Is the iPod the most feature filled player? No. No bluetooth, no radio, no recording, etc, etc.

    Is the iPod the most reliable. No. They have certainly been plagued with battery issues and let's not forget the issues with the early nano's gettign scratched.

    In short, Apple could pretty much release a complete dog of a phone with a pretty case, and people will buy it in significant enough numbers that Palm, and every other handset manufacturer will feel a definate impact from it.

    I can't imagine whi it would even be a debate. People are stupid. If it has an apple logo on it, the first gen will be snapped up enthusiastically. The real question is will Apple come out with a good enough product to compel people to buy a second one and brag about it to their friends.
    12-06-2006 01:01 AM
  7. archie's Avatar
    Let's revisit.

    I specifically said:
    it could have the ability to automatically have access to this data in a live manner. No syncing required. It is always just there and is always current

    If you read that, you might note that I specifically stated Apple would NOT use syncing functions as we know them today. Apple methodology will undoubtedly accomplish task with ease - in a manner that is NOT BEING DONE today.
    Hey what do you know, Apple worked with Cingular to provide services unique to Apple's phone. Things like triangulation for location based services and visual voice mail technology, syncing and sending stuff like e-mail — WHILE talking on the phone, etc., etc.


    Apple's phone type device would/could be a device that is truly mobile by being designed to tie in to Internet resources instead of only syncing to a Desktop PC/Mac that you don't get to very often. Don't see this in a Treo.
    Hey what do you know, like wi-fi and Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR

    I go on to describe the capabilities a little further as applied to e-mail, contacts, calendars, events, and the to-do lists. Don't see this in a Treo.
    Hey what do you know.

    Like a unique Push IMAP service and collaboration with Yahoo to be the only mobile device to freely access Yahoo's IMAP services. We will see the incorporation of Apple's own .Mac services soon enough. Unique contact access and interface elements. You should really check it out.


    The media management system in all of Apple's iPods allows for speech-to-text voice recognition selection of songs. I believe this was first used in conjunction with Acura’s VoiceID system to operate the iPod by voice, but has since been used in a few other systems and you can even purchase software that converts going the other way as well, like iPod specific dictionaries and the Nike + iPod which all utilize Text-to-Speech capabilities. It seems quite plausible that this could certainly be utilized as an input method on a phone type of device coming from Apple. Don't see this in a Treo.

    I also describe the new ways you could incorporate and use iTunes music this Apple phone of sorts. This would of course promote the further purchasing of content through the iTunes Store in addition to providing differentiation. Don't see this in a Treo.
    Hey what do you know—uniquely incorporating the use of iTunes to bring a distinct advantage.

    Apple would also probably integrate seamless roaming and hand-over between local area networks and the wide area networks like phone services. This capability may be included as an additional feature to give users flexibility but also to ensure that larger market segments would be enticed based on limited provider coverage. Don't see this in a Treo.

    I talk about it being able to interface with an iPod. Don't see this in a Treo.
    What do you know. Syncs up just like an Ipod and can of course use your iPod's same playlists, etc.

    I also mention this Apple device could see widget like capabilities. I base that assumption on their partnership with Nokia to supply their series 60 phones with Apple's WebCore and JavaScriptCore software to power their phone's web browsers. Don't see this in a Treo.
    What do you know. Their phone apps are simply Widgets.

    And then I mentioned Apple possibly incorporating a motion detection system to use as an interface element. The kind of motion detection you find in products like iPods to protect the hard drives, or MacBooks to act as a safety device and input method, or the Nike + iPod kit to measure cadence, running speed, workout stuff. This same type of sensor could be used in an Apple phone to quickly shut off the phone's ringer by simple grasping/squeezing it. Don't see this in a Treo.
    What do you know. Just like I said. Accelerometer can detect the phone's motion and orientation and act appropriately. Also has a proximity sensor and an ambient light sensor to sense when it is applied to your ear to shut down screen and adjusting brightness.

    Admittedly, these were just a few possible directions I arrived at in simply taking a step back to look at their current business direction and their capabilities; BUT, what more do you want.
    Not too bad. Pretty much nailed it, huh? YUP! Yet.. sadly know one here believed me.
    01-09-2007 05:20 PM
  8. whmurray's Avatar
    I would sure like to see a video of Ed's comments. To me it appears that the "laughing off" comment is a comment by the writer -- not supported by the quote provided. Call me a fanboy -- but before we hang Ed out to dry -- I would like to see the full context of the questions posed and his responses:


    ........
    Cheers, Perry.
    Face it Perry. If he said any part of what she attributes to him, -6% on his stock makes him look foolish. If the phone market reacts like the stock market, he will not be laughing for long.

    That said, June is a long way off and I am still on my 650. Any offers for my 680?
    01-09-2007 06:10 PM
  9. Mtreosexual's Avatar
    Face it Perry. If he said any part of what she attributes to him, -6% on his stock makes him look foolish. If the phone market reacts like the stock market, he will not be laughing for long.

    That said, June is a long way off and I am still on my 650. Any offers for my 680?
    Wh

    Finally , someone to kick and seriously challenge Treo's and kick palm 's ...
    This phone will sell like hot cakes.............
    I am so pleased . No more half *** phones...
    01-09-2007 09:49 PM
  10. Certs's Avatar
    Let's revisit.



    Hey what do you know, Apple worked with Cingular to provide services unique to Apple's phone. Things like triangulation for location based services and visual voice mail technology, syncing and sending stuff like e-mail WHILE talking on the phone, etc., etc.




    Hey what do you know, like wi-fi and Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR



    Hey what do you know.

    Like a unique Push IMAP service and collaboration with Yahoo to be the only mobile device to freely access Yahoo's IMAP services. We will see the incorporation of Apple's own .Mac services soon enough. Unique contact access and interface elements. You should really check it out.




    Hey what do you knowuniquely incorporating the use of iTunes to bring a distinct advantage.



    What do you know. Syncs up just like an Ipod and can of course use your iPod's same playlists, etc.



    What do you know. Their phone apps are simply Widgets.



    What do you know. Just like I said. Accelerometer can detect the phone's motion and orientation and act appropriately. Also has a proximity sensor and an ambient light sensor to sense when it is applied to your ear to shut down screen and adjusting brightness.



    Not too bad. Pretty much nailed it, huh? YUP! Yet.. sadly know one here believed me.
    I believed you, but come on- WIFI, BT2.0 w/EDR is really a GREAT thing? My Hermes has that AND 3G. Big disappointment IMO. And EDGE cannot do voice/data simultaneously, which is going to limit this kick-*** device before it is even powered on. I must say though I love every single thing about this device
    01-09-2007 10:20 PM
  11. NextDream's Avatar
    It's like Jobs said at the end of his presentation. Quoting Gretzky....We see where the puck is going, they see where it was.
    01-09-2007 11:29 PM
  12. specimen38's Avatar
    Mtreo,

    I am with you. Competition drives this industry. The Palm Treo "OWNeD" the smartphone space with one serious competitor - BlackBerry. This is the kick in the pants that they needed.

    Wh

    Finally , someone to kick and seriously challenge Treo's and kick palm 's ...
    This phone will sell like hot cakes.............
    I am so pleased . No more half *** phones...
    01-09-2007 11:32 PM
  13. Dunc's Avatar
    he Palm Treo "OWNeD" the smartphone space with one serious competitor - BlackBerry. This is the kick in the pants that they needed.
    No, question they owned the smart phone market w/ the 300. But their arrogance, lack of direction, insistence on changing their name - whatever you think - has made them lose sight of things. Personally, I don't think they stand a chance against this phone.

    Dunc
    01-09-2007 11:39 PM
  14. razorpit's Avatar
    This comment may sound stupid as first but something I've been researching but have yet to find; can you add appointments, contacts, to do items, and memos from the phone or does it only sync items you entered on your Mac?

    To me this is a big deal. So far all I've seen mentioned is it pulls data from you Mac. If I have to write information down on a piece of paper and wait until I get back to my computer to enter it then I don't think the iPhone is for me. And without being able to do stuff like that I'm not 100% sure it would be the Treo killer.

    Like I said it sounds stupid that you wouldn't be able to add data "on the road" but I've yet to see this feature mentioned.

    --Dave
    01-09-2007 11:52 PM
  15. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Two drawbacks. iPhone is too expensive with a contract. And on only one carrier. I hope they realize this may not be good. While the features are definitely a breath of fresh air, how many people will switch carriers and pay that much money to do so?

    But I do wonder if Ed was laughing yesterday.
    01-10-2007 02:07 AM
  16. mrjoec's Avatar
    This comment may sound stupid as first but something I've been researching but have yet to find; can you add appointments, contacts, to do items, and memos from the phone or does it only sync items you entered on your Mac?

    To me this is a big deal. So far all I've seen mentioned is it pulls data from you Mac. If I have to write information down on a piece of paper and wait until I get back to my computer to enter it then I don't think the iPhone is for me. And without being able to do stuff like that I'm not 100% sure it would be the Treo killer.

    Like I said it sounds stupid that you wouldn't be able to add data "on the road" but I've yet to see this feature mentioned.

    --Dave
    Steve demonstrated adding/editing contacts and favorites. I assume the same is possible for the calendar app.
    01-10-2007 03:21 AM
  17. mrjoec's Avatar
    Two drawbacks. iPhone is too expensive with a contract. And on only one carrier. I hope they realize this may not be good. While the features are definitely a breath of fresh air, how many people will switch carriers and pay that much money to do so?

    But I do wonder if Ed was laughing yesterday.
    The single carrier thing is good and bad. Since the phone is GSM (necessary for the world market), the only other network it COULD have worked with in the US is TMobile, which has a far smaller customer base anyway. But still, there are customers who simply won't switch carriers, so there's a loss there.

    However, granting Cingular exclusivity allows Steve to dictate hardware and software to Cingular on HIS terms. He gets to make the phone HE wants to make, as opposed to Palm, who constantly has to compromise to meet the carriers' demands.

    In Europe and Asia, I imagine the phone will work everywhere and with everyone, since it's a far more open market.
    01-10-2007 03:29 AM
  18. whmurray's Avatar
    However, Ed has to know .................
    Face it, Diva. Ed does not have to know anything. Clueless is his hallmark.

    No CEO in history has ever had a better source of intelligence than Ed has in TC and used it less. Ed's assessment of the iPhone ranks up there with George Bush and WMDs (except nobody dies). (I woke with a migraine today.)
    01-10-2007 07:49 AM
  19. whmurray's Avatar
    The single carrier thing is good and bad. Since the phone is GSM (necessary for the world market), the only other network it COULD have worked with in the US is TMobile, which has a far smaller customer base anyway. But still, there are customers who simply won't switch carriers, so there's a loss there.

    However, granting Cingular exclusivity allows Steve to dictate hardware and software to Cingular on HIS terms. He gets to make the phone HE wants to make, as opposed to Palm, who constantly has to compromise to meet the carriers' demands.

    In Europe and Asia, I imagine the phone will work everywhere and with everyone, since it's a far more open market.
    GSM users pay extra for the freedom to switch carriers. Many of us have shunned GSM Treos that were locked to a carrier.

    Does Cingular's commitment to the iPhone explain why we have not seen a UMTS/POS Treo? Has Palm lost a carrier as well as share?
    01-10-2007 07:56 AM
  20. whmurray's Avatar
    The single carrier thing is good and bad. Since the phone is GSM (necessary for the world market), the only other network it COULD have worked with in the US is TMobile, which has a far smaller customer base anyway. But still, there are customers who simply won't switch carriers, so there's a loss there.

    However, granting Cingular exclusivity allows Steve to dictate hardware and software to Cingular on HIS terms. He gets to make the phone HE wants to make, as opposed to Palm, who constantly has to compromise to meet the carriers' demands.

    In Europe and Asia, I imagine the phone will work everywhere and with everyone, since it's a far more open market.
    Well, one way to make the iPhone exclusive to Cingular is to ensure that it will only accept a SIM from Cingular. If it is successful, then in the world market, it will have to be unlocked. That is likely two years off in any case.
    01-10-2007 08:00 AM
  21. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    However, granting Cingular exclusivity allows Steve to dictate hardware and software to Cingular on HIS terms. He gets to make the phone HE wants to make, as opposed to Palm, who constantly has to compromise to meet the carriers' demands.

    In Europe and Asia, I imagine the phone will work everywhere and with everyone, since it's a far more open market.
    I think some of that is Palm's refusal to innovate on hardware. There's really no excuse not to have a wifi WM phone. The price range of the 750 is a little more than the 8525, which has wifi. Not only that, but Palm could have asked MSFT to help them with a higher resolution screen. People are also mentioning BT problems.

    Palm will be out of the running of phones with new technology quite soon at this rate. They are seriously headed that way already. A 3G radio in an otherwise older body is what the 750 really is. The multi-band 3G and keyboard are really what make the 750, but the 8525 has the same thing and more. If I weren't worried about the slider possibly wearing out, I'd have gotten the 8525 long ago.
    01-10-2007 08:09 AM
  22. whmurray's Avatar
    Two drawbacks. iPhone is too expensive with a contract. And on only one carrier. I hope they realize this may not be good. While the features are definitely a breath of fresh air, how many people will switch carriers and pay that much money to do so?

    But I do wonder if Ed was laughing yesterday.
    Well, to someone who paid $700- for a 600, $700- for a 650, and $400- for a 680 that he does not even use, the price is not too high. I look forward to the chance to pay it. I can pay it with the increase in value of my 100 shares of Apple stock in the one hour that it took Jobs to talk about it.

    However, like the iPod and new Treos, this price is the early adopter price. Apple understands and uses pricing better than most. While the price of iPods has come down and the value has gone up, the street price of iPods (and Macs) is always very close to the MSRP.

    Ed is probably still laughing but only because he doesn't get it. I am sympathetic; I did not get the iPod. I sold all but a 100 shares of my Apple stock.
    01-10-2007 08:09 AM
  23. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Does Cingular's commitment to the iPhone explain why we have not seen a UMTS/POS Treo? Has Palm lost a carrier as well as share?
    I don't know about that. I think it's Palm OS's own limitations. If Palm had kept their own OS and developed it, things might have been very different! Cobalt running on UMTS possibly. So now it's going to be WM, Symbian and Mobile OS X fighting for top spot.
    01-10-2007 08:14 AM
  24. Pearl_Diva's Avatar
    Well, to someone who paid $700- for a 600, $700- for a 650, and $400- for a 680 that he does not even use, the price is not too high. I look forward to the chance to pay it.

    However, like the iPod and new Treos, this price is the early adopter price. Apple understands and uses pricing better than most. While the price of iPods has come down and the value has gone up, the street price of iPods (and Macs) is always very close to the MSRP.

    Ed is probably still laughing but only because he doesn't get it. I am sympathetic; I did not get the iPod. I sold all but a 100 shares of my Apple stock.
    Why don't you use your 680? That was the best price ever for a Treo!
    01-10-2007 08:17 AM
  25. whmurray's Avatar
    I don't know about that. I think it's Palm OS's own limitations. If Palm had kept their own OS and developed it, things might have been very different! Cobalt running on UMTS possibly. So now it's going to be WM, Symbian and Mobile OS X fighting for top spot.
    Symbian is a closed system and I will buy WM sometime after I vote for Hilary for president. However, that is not to say I will never do either. It is all about the alternative. Having OS X as an alternative is great.

    I am not sure that Palm will be able to step up to this challenge. The stock market seems to believe that they cannot. If they can and do, we are really off to the races. In any case, Ed's dismissal of Apples ability to enter the market is not hopeful.
    01-10-2007 08:29 AM
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