1. specimen38's Avatar
    Keyboard or no keyboard? Either way, very interesting...
    I think one version will have a keyboard and one will be a regular phone. I am very optimistic about what Apple is planning with this new iPod device. I think they are building on their theme of "end to end" solutions and moving into the area of personal networking and telematics with this device. Most telematics stuff is automobile centric, but that is only because people spend so much time in their cars in every other place outside New York. I think this device will evolve into something that is so much more than a cell phone or an iPod.
    12-27-2006 01:01 PM
  2. jpizzaj's Avatar
    if the iphone is built anything like the ipod there is no way im getting it, apple is getting away with maing a bad product just because they have the popular brand name, there are far better mp3 players out there, ones with reset buttons, expandability, reset buttons, higher audio quality, oh yeah reset buttons, wider variety of software support, and of course reset buttons (but oh god forbid those be on ipods b/c apple can do no wrong, follow them like wmindless drones we should)
    01-03-2007 12:31 PM
  3. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    I think the market has spoken on the iPod. More features doesn't mean better. There is a simple way to reset an iPod, you don't need a button just for this.

    If there ever is an iPhone, I'll wait to see what features it has. But if it has anything close I'd get it in a minute. No other manufacturer (especially Palm) has anything like the designs that come out of Apple. And yes, I use Macs and love them.
    01-03-2007 12:36 PM
  4. marcol's Avatar
    I think the market has spoken on the iPod. More features doesn't mean better.
    I have to agree. I've become heartily disenchanted with the whole drag-and-drop, nerver-ending refilling of the miniSD card on my E61 and have been looking around for a small, high capacity flash player. The choice seems to come down to an 8 GB Nano and the Sansa E280 (also 8 GB). On the face of it the E280 seems to compare pretty favourably with the iPod because it has a bunch of additional features. Thing is most of these are completely useless to me:

    1) Voice recorder. Every PDA and smartphone I've owned in the last five years has had this capacity and I've used it in anger precisely zero times.

    2) Plays videos. On a 1.8" screen? Pointless.

    3) FM tuner. I'd guess about 10% of my radio listening is to FM stations so this is of very limited value to me. Anyway, the EU model lacks the radio so I'd have to import to get this.

    4) Micro SD slot. This is the one feature I'd value because it would allow the capacity to be bumped to 10 GB (possibly more in the future - max supported is unclear).

    And the price you pay for these mostly dubious features? The E280 is wider, twice as thick and 75% heavier than the Nano! Sandisk also seem to have skimped in a crucial area: there are quite a few reports that the navigation wheel is loose and also gets stuck (great combo, guys!). They also might have spent more time on design/R&D: several reviews comment on how the nav wheel interferes with pushing the selection buttons. FFS, just get the basics right and make a great music player! I could just about live without iTunes integration if the device were really compelling. Sandisk, if it has to be twice as thick as the competition, why not scale down the screen, rip out the mic and the card slot and bung in another eight gigs of flash? That and sort out the controls and perhaps get a copy of "Indusrial Design for Dummies" and you might get my money. As it stands though I'll be picking up a Nano in the next couple of weeks (unless Macworld springs a pleasant surprise ).

    There is a simple way to reset an iPod, you don't need a button just for this.
    Yep:

    http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/five_rs/
    01-03-2007 04:09 PM
  5. marcol's Avatar
    On the other hand, Sandisk's advertising does have a sort of brutal charm:


    01-03-2007 04:21 PM
  6. ronbo2000's Avatar
    Got a link? Can't see the image.
    01-03-2007 08:58 PM
  7. marcol's Avatar
    01-04-2007 02:33 AM
  8. marcol's Avatar
    Actually, I've noticed now that both on this page and the trustedreviews page the image only appears (in Safari or Firefox on a Mac) if ad blocking is turned off. I'll describe it for you: E200 series device hanging round the neck of a large-breasted woman with a low cut top. Subtle it ain't - it doesn't even include her head!
    01-04-2007 05:22 AM
  9. YoungTurk's Avatar
    As a long-time Mac user, and a former Treo 600 and now Treo 650 owner since Dec. 2004, and now out-of-contract with Sprint, I've purposefully not purchased any phone or extended with Sprint or signed on with any new carrier because I'm waiting for Apple's phone. I'm almost assured of buying one the moment it comes out, provided the carrier it chooses has good coverage in my area.
    01-04-2007 09:27 AM
  10. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    Yes, assuming it has bluetooth, contacts, calendar, email, and a web browser I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Other features would be nice also but the basics implemented correctly are the key. I'll note that Nokia is using a new excellent browser on their new phones that is based on code from Safari the web browser on Mac OS X.
    01-04-2007 10:13 AM
  11. ronbo2000's Avatar
    I guess this is the image ....
    01-04-2007 12:19 PM
  12. marcol's Avatar
    That's the thumb-nail from the trustedreviews page. The main image is ten times the size and cropped less. This is the address:

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/images.../3321-e280.jpg

    but really it's not all that interesting and not worth the bother of chasing. Most interesting thing to me at this point is that it seems so elusive! I'm *pretty sure* it's not a figment of my imagination.

    Anyway, I'm going to buy a nano
    01-04-2007 02:16 PM
  13. marcol's Avatar
    Yes, assuming it has bluetooth, contacts, calendar, email, and a web browser I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
    Some sort of software to play music might be nice too! My predictions are usually rubbish but I think there's a fair chance of this in any phone Apple might release

    Thing is, what do Apple have in mind as their target market? I bought my daughter a SonyEricsson W810i for Christmas. Pretty sweet with a 4 gig card, but all it's good for really is phone calls, messaging, music and pictures. It's just a basic phone with an MP3 player. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's motivation for producing a phone is a perceived threat to iPod sales and that they perceive the threat as coming from devices like the W810i. If that's so, and if they just repond to like with like, I don't think we'll be seeing a device that would be of great interest to most TreoCentral readers. There're rumours of an Apple smartphone too of course but they come from back when the rumourers were all calling it an 'iPhone' - and we know how accurate that name turned out to be. At this point I think the only thing that makes me believe any of this is that Apple doesn't seem to have moved to quell any of the hysteria..

    I'll note that Nokia is using a new excellent browser on their new phones that is based on code from Safari the web browser on Mac OS X.
    I wasn't completely sure at first but the more I used it the more I liked the S60 WebKit browser. I'd find it really hard now to go to any device that didn't have something comparable.
    01-04-2007 02:42 PM
  14. bcaslis#IM's Avatar
    I agree that any initial phone will probably be targeted at the music phone market. That's why it probably won't be for me, but I'd be willing to bet it will be an excellent device for it's target market.
    01-04-2007 02:55 PM
  15. specimen38's Avatar
    I think the iPhone hype surpassed the hype of the Treo 650, 700 & 750 release. Your thoughts? Finally, by this time tomorrow, we will know everything and start speculating about the next big thing.
    01-09-2007 02:09 AM
  16. marcol's Avatar
    Phone from Apple looking pretty likely now:

    http://www.moneyweb.co.za/shares/int...ews/563488.htm

    WSJ was spot on with the prediction of a move to intel processors 18 months ago.
    01-09-2007 06:40 AM
  17. specimen38's Avatar
    WOW! Did you see it? WOW!
    01-09-2007 02:13 PM
  18. specimen38's Avatar
    I will be San Francisco at MacWorld in 60 minutes to see it for myself -- "hands on."
    01-09-2007 02:13 PM
  19. MacUser's Avatar
    I will be San Francisco at MacWorld in 60 minutes to see it for myself -- "hands on."
    Please come back and post your impressions! I knew it!!!

    I can't believe we have to wait till June...
    01-09-2007 05:07 PM
  20. specimen38's Avatar
    I am sitting in a presentation of the iPhone (now) and this phone is "other worldly". Google maps via satellite, a new iPod interface, a new MacOS interface "touch & pinch" w/fingers - no stylus. I will report more later.
    01-09-2007 05:35 PM
  21. specimen38's Avatar
    I don't want to sound like a fanatic. But since seeing it, this iPhone has had that "fanatic" effect on me today. I don't know where to start.

    The phone is about a 1/2 inch thick. They would put it in a glass case and teased us. It looks like an iPod without the "click wheel." They have eliminated the click wheel technology to introduce the 3rd generation interface "point & pinch" which makes the device fully touchscreen. They have built some new intuitive features into the touch response. Apple's conducting research for the past 5-years on touch/response on touchscreens. Their goal was to elimate the clumsy experience of tapping/hitting the wrong key or button when you're interactinmg with a touchscreen display. This thing is hyper-intuitive and well thought out as Apple has prepared a nearly flawless interface that compensates for clumsy fingers and for those of us who have not completely felt comfortable using a completely touchscreen device.

    It has 3 sensors on it. 1) one deterimines when your face is close to it while on a phone call. This sensor turns off the video display and does not permit you to inadvertantly touch buttons while on a call; 2) the second sensor collects ambient light and adjust the brightness of the video display depending if you are outside or indoors; 3) the third sensor detects motion. If you turn the iPhone horizontally (landscape) or vertically -- it automatically adjust.

    The iPhone is built to be 3 devices in 1. An iPod, a Phone and an Internet device. What Apple is not saying is that they have basically given us a Mac computer that is 1/2 inch thick x 5 inches long x 3 inches wide. As I watched the presenter navigating MacOS X During the presentation, the presenter kept on repeating "the new iPhone" brings the desktop experience.

    I am certain you can load and run MacOS applications from this phone. However, I would imagine they'd need to be customize to run under the new point & pinch finger interface.

    Non-linear voicemail.......Very Cool! You don't ever have to listen to in linear order. They appear on the screen and you pick the one you want to hear first.

    Did I tell you this thing has Bluetooth 2.0 and the coolest ear-piece? Of course, it has WIFI 802.11n. This feature alone is unfortunately a Treo killer for me personally.

    I sat with a group of about 300 people watching the presentation. Strangely, there was not a lot of applause when the presenter demonstrated something new and never before seen feature on a cell phone. They were quietly awed. They wanted to applause -- but couldn't because they were too captivated by what they were seeing. I turned to look at the faces of some who were seated around me.

    I have seen the BlackJack, I have seen the Moto Q, BlackBerry Pearl, Nokia's top of the line and of course the Treos. These are nice phone/PDAs. But make no mistake, there is nothing on the market like the iPhone. I have never seen anything like it. It is leaps ahead of everthing.

    I have one critique though. It doesn't have a UMTS radio for Cingular broadband subscription. However, that's not really a problem for me because I wasn't going to pay 49.99/mo for wireless broadband anyway.

    I paid 549.00 for my Treo 650 approximately 2+ years ago. This phone will cost 499.00 and 599.00 for the 4Gig and 8Gig versions respectively. They will be released in May. That gives me enough time to save up.
    01-09-2007 08:47 PM
  22. theafricannerd's Avatar
    This is really good for Palm. Now there is new standard for them to meet. Lets see if they are up to it.
    On thing am still not convinced about is the touchscreen keyboard. I know they are bigger than the ones we had on previous palm pdas, but still am not sure about how well people will responed to them after the "Coolness" wears off
    01-09-2007 08:58 PM
  23. specimen38's Avatar
    Ed Colligan and Palm have received their gut check. I don't think they can do much to match the iPhone in the near future. But I think there is a niche for Palm' and its Treo line as a consumer phone. The Apple operating systems has leap-frogged Windows Mobile (which I think is very good) and certainly the Palm OS in its debut product. Answer: Palm needs to push Microsoft to dramatically innovate on its Mobile OS.

    This is really good for Palm. Now there is new standard for them to meet. Lets see if they are up to it.
    On thing am still not convinced about is the touchscreen keyboard. I know they are bigger than the ones we had on previous palm pdas, but still am not sure about how well people will responed to them after the "Coolness" wears off
    01-09-2007 09:18 PM
  24. Chatter's Avatar
    The iPhone is gorgeous, and it has one INSANELY TERRIFIC ADVANTAGE - you can't touch it or use it; you can only see the gorgeous pictures and hear Apple's PR. But no question, it's the best device in a glass case I've seen lately!

    Marc
    01-09-2007 09:25 PM
  25. specimen38's Avatar
    LOL!

    Good point! They'd be run out of business if this was vaporware. Do you remember they old vaporware days of personal computing?
    The iPhone is gorgeous, and it has one INSANELY TERRIFIC ADVANTAGE - you can't touch it or use it; you can only see the gorgeous pictures and hear Apple's PR. But no question, it's the best device in a glass case I've seen lately!

    Marc
    01-09-2007 09:29 PM
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