1. infenit101's Avatar
    WWDC = major dissaster WOW! No Jobs mean Apple is like every other non innovative company out.
    Apple isn't innovative. It just steals ideas put the Apple seal, make it seem cool, and the jack the price up 1000%.

    BtW way to go with Snow Leopard...really revolutionary stuff if you're into that early 2000s stuff.
    06-08-2009 04:01 PM
  2. icebike's Avatar
    Voice Dial and the sort, Compass (Are they serious), etc and many of the apps are just pointless (6 Line Guitar App???) the (Car opening App for a car none of us have)?
    Well Said.
    06-08-2009 04:02 PM
  3. SurfStoked's Avatar
    Im glad its gonna be faster and I really like the new video features added but overall Im pretty disappointed too. I guess we were all really looking forward to a big improvement over the 3g. Too bad we didnt get it..
    06-08-2009 04:06 PM
  4. jamesus's Avatar
    Wouldn't it just be easier for AT&T to make Telenav available?

    I purchased Garmin Mobile for the blackberry Storm. I eventually ended up junking that app in favor of the installed VZ Navigator. $10/month, or $240 for the life of a 2 year contract.
    Maybe, although I prefer the Tom Tom interface over the TeleNav. I really liked Tom Tom for my WinMo phone...
    06-08-2009 04:15 PM
  5. OptimisticMF's Avatar
    The additional storage and battery life are compelling, but with the option to install a new battery (China OnTrade) and OS 3.0, I'll be waiting until next year.
    06-08-2009 04:18 PM
  6. jstrickland's Avatar
    I was mildly disappointed about the fact voice control will not be available for the 3G. I say mildly, because I have voice dialing with Say Who pro and have found that I use it very little. I am mostly calling people in my favorites and that is still so simple to work with. It's a little funny because I was absolutely dependant on voice dial with my Treo 650.

    I am much more than "mildly" disappointed about the lack of video on the 3G. I have often found myself missing that feature that I had on my Treo. It is frustrating because there are several jailbreak video capture programs available, proving it can be done. Unfortunately, some of us get our iPhones thru our work and would find ourselves in major hot water if we tried to jailbreak our phones.

    As for the 3Gs. Nice, but not worth the upgrade from a 3G.
    06-08-2009 04:33 PM
  7. Jellotime91's Avatar
    Disappointed
    06-08-2009 04:33 PM
  8. JBaby_9783's Avatar
    I didn't think any of the rumors were true to begin with. The only thing I'm disappointed about is the case. I'm tired of the shiny back and chrome bezel. I want to use my phone naked but feel like I can't since I don't want it to look like crap. I'm glad it's still the same form factor though. I've been holding out on buying a Podium and now I don't have to anymore. Now the only question is do I use the iPhone naked or not?
    06-08-2009 04:43 PM
  9. Ivoryplum's Avatar
    Does anyone else think the lines on launch day will be a LOT smaller this year...?
    06-08-2009 04:44 PM
  10. infenit101's Avatar
    Does anyone else think the lines on launch day will be a LOT smaller this year...?
    By the looks of it if Apple doesn't do something big the Iphone could be the next RAZR.
    06-08-2009 04:57 PM
  11. vanishingvision7's Avatar
    Extremely disappointed.
    06-08-2009 05:25 PM
  12. icebike's Avatar
    I am much more than "mildly" disappointed about the lack of video on the 3G.
    This is so true.
    Especially when this is available in Jaibroken phones.
    And where is the backgrounded apps?

    Other than that, the software upgrade was about what I expected. MMS, Copy/Paste (finally) landscape keyboard, stereo bluetooth, and a fairly useless Spotlight search.

    I's score Software at 75%,

    Hardware upgrade at about 30%.
    All the new phone really adds is Speed and battery which everyone needs, and Video which maybe 20% will ever use.
    06-08-2009 05:27 PM
  13. cjvitek's Avatar
    I am not really disappointed, but nothing knocked me off my feet. I like the compass, the speed, the storage, the camera. I really like the voice controls (although I don't know why that is a hardware and not a software feature).

    Some nice features, and if I didn't already have an iPhone I would look into buying one, but nothing to make me feel like I have to upgrade to the new phone.
    06-08-2009 05:54 PM
  14. sturamsden's Avatar
    I am disappointed with the iPhone 3G S (what does the S stand for anyway?) because I like to see what new features the Apple engineers can cram into a tiny space and make us believe we've been missing in the previous models.

    However I am happy that they haven't completely revamped the iPhone because my next upgrade is this time next year and if the new iPhone was really good and I decided I had to have it, I would have no cash to my name.

    When is the iPhone 4G/ iPhone 3G ST or whatever they're going to call it due to be announced and launched?
    06-08-2009 06:00 PM
  15. gruswitz's Avatar
    Wow, some overly harsh criticism. Why do we judge Apple on every dream world gadget wishlist and not others? All companies' device updates are incremental since they have to balance the latest innovation vs. profitability. This is equivalent to whining that all apps should be free or $1.99 even if thousands of hours of labor went into making something.

    I think faster data access, faster processor, voice control, video recording, improved autofocus camera, compass, fingerprint resistant casing, improved battery, double the memory, and Nike+ are a very significant upgrade. The inline remote control support will be awesome with the voice control as well. It would be even better if voice control integrates with bluetooth car kits. If spotlight (which already outperforms the universal search on the Pre) also integrates with voice control, this will be amazing.

    I have not moved away from my 3 year old Treo, but I've been closely watching the smartphones evolve. I've been on the fence of Pre or iPhone and this announcement may have put me over the fence toward the iPhone GS. In an ideal world I'd like a few more things such as front facing camera with video chat, a 5MP camera w/flash, higher res OLED display, and 3rd party background apps (Slacker/Pandora/Simplify/Wunderradio would be sufficient). However, what we got was better than I expected and who has all of these features anyway. What's the standard here (besides an excuse to troll)? If you selectively compare the best features of every other phone out there to the iPhone, Apple will always come up short. There is no single phone that tops every other phone on features and there may never be.

    The Pre has plenty of failings and in my opinion the Pre only best the iPhone with 3rd party background apps, consolidated notifications and cloud integration. Personally, I've not been impressed by what I've seen over the weekend of reports on the performance of the cloud integration because most of the cloud sites are flaky on contact management (hello google). Sure this will improve in time. As for the notifications, luckily I'm not a big on IM, text message, etc. If you get hundreds a day, this is a much bigger advantage. The lack of 3rd party background apps does suck, but that's my only remaining reservation.

    The dream feature I still want from the iPhone or any other smartphone is a world class audio processor chip, so I can get better utility from higher end headphones and lossless audio files. Then I'll no longer need a separate media player. We don't know yet what chips have changed with the 3GS, but I doubt the audio processor is one of them. That said, no other smartphone has better audio processing than the iPhone.

    The list of features that the iPhone bests others (including the Pre) on is enormous. Sure AT&T still sucks. With the 3GS improvements, OS 3.0, Tom Tom app and real document editing coming, I think my Treo 700p is finally being retired for an iPhone 3GS. The 3G was not enough to get me to pull the trigger, but the 3GS is.
    06-08-2009 06:03 PM
  16. icebike's Avatar
    I really like the voice controls (although I don't know why that is a hardware and not a software feature).
    Well I've not seen it specifically stated its hardware, but that would be the only justification for leaving it off of the 3G.

    Most of Voice reco technology is done with Software. I guess the Jailbreak community will let us know for sure.

    Does anyone predict a dictation app based on the Voice Reco capabilities of this phone?
    06-08-2009 06:08 PM
  17. Behshad's Avatar
    Wow, some overly harsh criticism. Why do we judge Apple on every dream world gadget wishlist and not others? All companies' device updates are incremental since they have to balance the latest innovation vs. profitability. This is equivalent to whining that all apps should be free or $1.99 even if thousands of hours of labor went into making something.

    I think faster data access, faster processor, voice control, video recording, improved autofocus camera, compass, fingerprint resistant casing, improved battery, double the memory, and Nike+ are a very significant upgrade. The inline remote control support will be awesome with the voice control as well. It would be even better if voice control integrates with bluetooth car kits. If spotlight (which already outperforms the universal search on the Pre) also integrates with voice control, this will be amazing.

    I have not moved away from my 3 year old Treo, but I've been closely watching the smartphones evolve. I've been on the fence of Pre or iPhone and this announcement may have put me over the fence toward the iPhone GS. In an ideal world I'd like a few more things such as front facing camera with video chat, a 5MP camera w/flash, higher res OLED display, and 3rd party background apps (Slacker/Pandora/Simplify/Wunderradio would be sufficient). However, what we got was better than I expected and who has all of these features anyway. What's the standard here (besides an excuse to troll)? If you selectively compare the best features of every other phone out there to the iPhone, Apple will always come up short. There is no single phone that tops every other phone on features and there may never be.

    The Pre has plenty of failings and in my opinion the Pre only best the iPhone with 3rd party background apps, consolidated notifications and cloud integration. Personally, I've not been impressed by what I've seen over the weekend of reports on the performance of the cloud integration because most of the cloud sites are flaky on contact management (hello google). Sure this will improve in time. As for the notifications, luckily I'm not a big on IM, text message, etc. If you get hundreds a day, this is a much bigger advantage. The lack of 3rd party background apps does suck, but that's my only remaining reservation.

    The dream feature I still want from the iPhone or any other smartphone is a world class audio processor chip, so I can get better utility from higher end headphones and lossless audio files. Then I'll no longer need a separate media player. We don't know yet what chips have changed with the 3GS, but I doubt the audio processor is one of them. That said, no other smartphone has better audio processing than the iPhone.

    The list of features that the iPhone bests others (including the Pre) on is enormous. Sure AT&T still sucks. With the 3GS improvements, OS 3.0, Tom Tom app and real document editing coming, I think my Treo 700p is finally being retired for an iPhone 3GS. The 3G was not enough to get me to pull the trigger, but the 3GS is.
    Either you work for apple (in which case shame shame) or youre trying to justify the $$$ youre about to shell out to apple.

    If this is ALL Apple could come up with, they better watch out for N97.....
    I upgraded last year from N95 to 8Gb 3G,,,, but after seeing the N97 and what it can do, Its tempting to switch back,,, (specially when you dont have to go through AT&T and pay $30 data plan)
    06-08-2009 06:08 PM
  18. Allyson Kazmucha's Avatar
    Wow, some overly harsh criticism. Why do we judge Apple on every dream world gadget wishlist and not others? All companies' device updates are incremental since they have to balance the latest innovation vs. profitability. This is equivalent to whining that all apps should be free or $1.99 even if thousands of hours of labor went into making something.

    I think faster data access, faster processor, voice control, video recording, improved autofocus camera, compass, fingerprint resistant casing, improved battery, double the memory, and Nike+ are a very significant upgrade. The inline remote control support will be awesome with the voice control as well. It would be even better if voice control integrates with bluetooth car kits. If spotlight (which already outperforms the universal search on the Pre) also integrates with voice control, this will be amazing.

    I have not moved away from my 3 year old Treo, but I've been closely watching the smartphones evolve. I've been on the fence of Pre or iPhone and this announcement may have put me over the fence toward the iPhone GS. In an ideal world I'd like a few more things such as front facing camera with video chat, a 5MP camera w/flash, higher res OLED display, and 3rd party background apps (Slacker/Pandora/Simplify/Wunderradio would be sufficient). However, what we got was better than I expected and who has all of these features anyway. What's the standard here (besides an excuse to troll)? If you selectively compare the best features of every other phone out there to the iPhone, Apple will always come up short. There is no single phone that tops every other phone on features and there may never be.

    The Pre has plenty of failings and in my opinion the Pre only best the iPhone with 3rd party background apps, consolidated notifications and cloud integration. Personally, I've not been impressed by what I've seen over the weekend of reports on the performance of the cloud integration because most of the cloud sites are flaky on contact management (hello google). Sure this will improve in time. As for the notifications, luckily I'm not a big on IM, text message, etc. If you get hundreds a day, this is a much bigger advantage. The lack of 3rd party background apps does suck, but that's my only remaining reservation.

    The dream feature I still want from the iPhone or any other smartphone is a world class audio processor chip, so I can get better utility from higher end headphones and lossless audio files. Then I'll no longer need a separate media player. We don't know yet what chips have changed with the 3GS, but I doubt the audio processor is one of them. That said, no other smartphone has better audio processing than the iPhone.

    The list of features that the iPhone bests others (including the Pre) on is enormous. Sure AT&T still sucks. With the 3GS improvements, OS 3.0, Tom Tom app and real document editing coming, I think my Treo 700p is finally being retired for an iPhone 3GS. The 3G was not enough to get me to pull the trigger, but the 3GS is.
    I am going to make this short:

    Without expectations, there would be no innovation.


    This is a fail for Apple. They are playing MMS and copy/paste like they are NEW features. Almost every little thing besides the compass and video, are already available in the current product.

    Fingerprint resistant casing ? Where did you get that? It's the same casing as the current 3G and it's a fingerprint MAGNET.

    I love my iPhone I really do, but as far as this one goes, there is absolutely no reason to make 3G and maybe even some 1st gen users jump for joy.

    I'm more excited for 3.0 than the new iPhone. I'll pass.
    06-08-2009 06:11 PM
  19. Jeremy's Avatar
    I think many of you are not realizing how much faster and smoother the 3Gs will be... that alone is huge. 2x faster than the current 3G. That's big. Also increased battery life. Something to think about.

    *I can see how some of you are not excited, guess this is only a upgrade for the hardcore tech people out there. I'm guilty...
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 06-08-2009 at 07:00 PM.
    06-08-2009 06:55 PM
  20. Neutrino's Avatar
    I think many of you are not realizing how much faster and smoother the 3Gs will be... that alone is huge. 2x faster than the current 3G. That's big. Also increased battery life. Something to think about.

    *I can see how some of you are not excited, guess this is only a upgrade for the hardcore tech people out there. I'm guilty...
    The real question is what specific aspect of the iPhone experience do users find missing or in need of address? A couple of examples for me include adequacy of network coverage; limitations of the native mail client; inability to run background applications.

    How many times have you been trying to stream a video, a call comes in and resets the video back to the beginning? Palm's solution in this aspect is ideal - get a notification you can chose to take or ignore without app interruption.

    Battery life is not a big deal since many of us have resigned ourselves to the need for battery cases like the Inslider.

    Video editing on the iPhone? Not for me. Voice control? Not for me. Magnetic compass app? Not for me. What about Telenav or access to AT&T broadband TV?
    06-08-2009 07:12 PM
  21. icebike's Avatar
    I think many of you are not realizing how much faster and smoother the 3Gs will be... that alone is huge. 2x faster than the current 3G. That's big. Also increased battery life. Something to think about.
    Sure its faster.
    And Safari is supposedly faster too. All will benefit from that.

    Add the two together and web browsing should scream.

    We expected more. We got a camera upgrade, a largely useless compass, and a speed boost.


    Hardware wise, this is a disappointment.
    Software wise this is a nice Point release

    Perhaps it should be called 2.3. All it offered was 4 long over due features (copy/paste, notifications, MMS and landscape mail). Much of the rest is largely Apple's usual dosage of over hyped features, many of which have been available in the App store for a long time.
    06-08-2009 07:18 PM
  22. Jeremy's Avatar
    The real question is what specific aspect of the iPhone experience do users find missing or in need of address? A couple of examples for me include adequacy of network coverage; limitations of the native mail client; inability to run background applications.

    How many times have you been trying to stream a video, a call comes in and resets the video back to the beginning? Palm's solution in this aspect is ideal - get a notification you can chose to take or ignore without app interruption.

    Battery life is not a big deal since many of us have resigned ourselves to the need for battery cases like the Inslider.

    Video editing on the iPhone? Not for me. Voice control? Not for me. Magnetic compass app? Not for me. What about Telenav or access to AT&T broadband TV?
    See I don't have issues with AT&T what so ever. Best service I've ever had honestly. Love the email client on the phone. Background applications - look at it this way - sure the Pre can do that but then you start to get the choppy playback in music, video, surfing the net, etc... do I want that? Hell no - I'd rather go Apple's route than have something that performs sub par.

    Battery life - that is huge whether you want to admit it or not.

    The other stuff you mentioned, I'll agree. But the speed being 2x faster... very key for me upgrading.
    06-08-2009 07:20 PM
  23. Entertainment72's Avatar
    I'd be curious to see how the Palm Pre does now.. hmm.. I'm a die hard iPhone but WOW after this fiasco nothing is stopping me from one of my eyes wondering off to see what the Pre is really about if just to check. Before Apple dropped the ball on "hardware" I wouldn't even consider a Pre or BB wow. Sometimes we need change and competition doesn't hurt .
    06-08-2009 07:36 PM
  24. JustinHorn's Avatar
    I think many of you are not realizing how much faster and smoother the 3Gs will be... that alone is huge. 2x faster than the current 3G. That's big. Also increased battery life. Something to think about.

    *I can see how some of you are not excited, guess this is only a upgrade for the hardcore tech people out there. I'm guilty...
    I'm going to get one, but I can wait 2.5 weeks and pay $200 less, so I guess I'm somewhere between you and the rest of the crowd.

    I think a lot of people are just not seeing a "killer" feature here. I think going from 1st gen to 2nd gen was like going from 56k dial up to 1.5mbps broadband. This jump is more like going from 1.5mbps broadband to 6.0 mbps broadband. Yes it's several times faster, but it's not as big of a jump as before.

    The reason I want one is that when I add up all the small upgrades it makes sense for me to get one.

    1) Much, much better camera. I don't like camera my medium sized camera everyone, so having a 3.0 camera with auto focus and better pictures in general (low light, etc) will be a big plus. Also, being able to take those macro pics will be great.

    2) Faster CPU, this will be nice to have apps open in a couple seconds instead of 10 or more.

    3) Battery Life. This sounds nice, but the fact that 3G time doesn't improve and is what I use most when away from power doesn't put any butterflies in my stomach.

    4) Faster Internet connection. If this actually works out it will be great, but I have my doubts with at&t actually delivering anything close to the theoretical speeds.

    5) Compass will be kind of cool

    None of these would make me want to buy the phone by themselves, but put them all together and it's enough to push me over.
    06-08-2009 07:41 PM
  25. bosox0898's Avatar
    For what it matters...and because I haven't seen it mentioned... The so-called "useless" compass is needed for any turn by turn navigation app, and it will probably make GMaps a lot smoother with some software modification. Not a selling point for me to switch from 3g yet but the 3gs is a step in the right direction imho
    06-08-2009 07:42 PM
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