1. Jeremy's Avatar
    Well, the Round Robin continues on - and our arch Frenemy Crackberry Kevin reviewed all beloved device where can be read here: http://crackberry.com/round-robin-re...-frak-phone-3g

    I went to bat for all of you defending our phone by having a bunch of conversations with Kevin regarding some of his views before he wrote the review.

    "My on the go vs. stop and use theory was largely derived from observing my own behaviors in using both of these devices, but that doesn't mean they necessarily apply to everyone. For example, over at the iPhoneBlog member Bad Ash would argue till the cows come home that he's just as capable at using his iPhone 3G on the go and one handed as he is with his BlackBerry Bold (yes he owns both, though he's been an iPhone 3G user longer). And I'm sure he's not the only iPhone user who would argue this. Despite these types of arguments, it's pretty clear that RIM and Apple have different approaches and philosophies to the way they build their smartphones."

    I made some impression but I'm afraid there is no converting him over to the good side. Sorry everyone... :o

    But all of that aside, what did you think about his review?
    12-15-2008 03:42 PM
  2. Brickman's Avatar
    I personally felt Dieter's review was a bit more "fair and balanced". Kevin's seemed, IMVHO, to be written with a VERY hard slant towards "Why isn't it a BlackBerry?" A lot more Fanboyism than Dieter's I thought.

    Of course that is the whole point of the RR I guess.
    12-15-2008 05:27 PM
  3. Jeremy's Avatar
    I personally felt Dieter's review was a bit more "fair and balanced". Kevin's seemed, IMVHO, to be written with a VERY hard slant towards "Why isn't it a BlackBerry?" A lot more Fanboyism than Dieter's I thought.

    Of course that is the whole point of the RR I guess.
    See I own multiple devices as well and while agree with - to a extent - they should be a bit biased some reviewers seem to be a bit too biased in my opinion. And I can't blame them at all, it's just the way I look at it.
    12-15-2008 05:43 PM
  4. marcol's Avatar
    I think it's very long and I'm going to bed now. I'll read it on my iPhone over breakfast, presuming I can spare the huge level of attention that Kevin would have us believe is required
    12-15-2008 07:09 PM
  5. sting7k's Avatar
    I thought his review was good from the perspective of a BB user. However I am always confused on somethings. One thing is specifically the mail apps. I've never owned a BB, I've played with some from time to time. I don't get why he complains about the iPhone's mail app, especially going from one account to another. If I am in one mail inbox and I want to go to another account I only tap 2 buttons. Is 2 taps too much? Then another 2 and I am in the inbox for the next account, or one tap and I am looking at all the folders for the account just like I was looking at the webmail version. He goes on about how he has to dig to go through what sounds like great pain to switch email accounts but I just don't see how it is so hard when it is only 2 taps on the screen. Maybe it's different when you have 12 different emails to check or something and I only have 2 but it seems easy to me.

    I do agree about the notifications, they suck. And not being able to have different ringer profiles and all kinds of different tones is a pain as well. Especially when your sitting in a room full of people with iPhones and when one gets a message 8 people get out their phones to check.

    And I think he isn't looking at the app store right. Yea there are a ton of crap apps and cheap .99 cent apps that do seemingly nothing. But there are also a ton of helpful and very nicely designed apps that help you get things done, read the news, and perform all types of cool things. I do have a page of just games but I also have 2.5 pages of apps that are all for various things; movie times, rss reader, weather checker w/ radar, wikipedia, google, music identifyer, itunes remote control, TV listings, unit converter, list/todos, wireless network drive, irc client, sport scores/stats tracking, a magic 8-ball to help with hard questions, and a bunch more. Like he said it is easy to go overboard on the apps a bit, and I am one of those people, but I don't just load it up with ibeer and fart sound generators.
    Last edited by sting7k; 12-16-2008 at 10:05 AM.
    12-16-2008 09:59 AM
  6. marcol's Avatar
    I thought his review was good from the perspective of a BB user. However I am always confused on somethings. One thing is specifically the mail apps. I've never owned a BB, I've played with some from time to time. I don't get why he complains about the iPhone's mail app, especially going from one account to another. If I am in one mail inbox and I want to go to another account I only tap 2 buttons. Is 2 taps too much?
    In my personal opinion, yes. Apple has a unified inbox in the desktop app and if anything I think it would be more useful in the iPhone app. It's definitely on my list of top 10 things I'd like to see Apple do.
    12-16-2008 10:07 AM
  7. marcol's Avatar
    I do agree about the notifications, they suck.
    I think they could be improved for sure (the Android system looks pretty good). I definitely don't want a flashing LED though. I had it turned off on my previous phone (a Nokia E61) and actually went so far as to d/l software to disable them on the Treos I had way back when (where, IIRC, they weren't whole lot of used anyway). I find flashing LEDs ugly and annoying and I'm trusting that Steve Jobs and Johnny Ive do too.
    12-16-2008 10:14 AM
  8. Jeremy's Avatar
    I think they could be improved for sure (the Android system looks pretty good). I definitely don't want a flashing LED though. I had it turned off on my previous phone (a Nokia E61) and actually went so far as to d/l software to disable them on the Treos I had way back when (where, IIRC, they weren't whole lot of used anyway). I find flashing LEDs ugly and annoying and I'm trusting that Steve Jobs and Johnny Ive do too.
    See I disagree, I think if a hidden LED was put in somewhere I think it would be a nice feature. And if you don't like it, you could shut it off. What would it hurt?
    12-16-2008 11:35 AM
  9. marcol's Avatar
    See I disagree, I think if a hidden LED was put in somewhere I think it would be a nice feature. And if you don't like it, you could shut it off. What would it hurt?
    As long as it really is hidden and can be shut off completely, I'm good with that
    12-16-2008 12:01 PM
  10. cjvitek's Avatar
    I thought his review was pretty good. It was a good representation of what a Blackberry user might expect and want from a smartphone.

    I have long maintained (well, since I got my iPhone about 5 months ago) that a smartphone can focus on either the business/productivity end, or the media/entertainment end. I have yet to find a smartphone that can do both well. IMO, the iPhone focuses on the media/entertainment end, and then incorporates business/productivity. The Blackberry is the opposite.

    Chris
    12-16-2008 02:59 PM
  11. Jeremy's Avatar
    I thought his review was pretty good. It was a good representation of what a Blackberry user might expect and want from a smartphone.

    I have long maintained (well, since I got my iPhone about 5 months ago) that a smartphone can focus on either the business/productivity end, or the media/entertainment end. I have yet to find a smartphone that can do both well. IMO, the iPhone focuses on the media/entertainment end, and then incorporates business/productivity. The Blackberry is the opposite.

    Chris
    Fair enough.
    12-16-2008 07:11 PM
  12. sting7k's Avatar
    See I disagree, I think if a hidden LED was put in somewhere I think it would be a nice feature. And if you don't like it, you could shut it off. What would it hurt?
    I think an LED would be good as well. I don't know how many times I am doing stuff around the house, work, or where ever. I walk by my iPhone many times sitting on a table, then sometimes I will hear the second sms notification. And other times I might miss a message for hours. An LED (I think green would be best, not red) blinking wouldn't hurt it really. If it was embedded like the proxy sensors are now by the speaker you wouldn't see it when it's off and only when you need too see it. Or at least give me more ringer profiles so I can have it keep beeping until I get a message, all my old Motorola phones used to keep beeping and beeping for hours until I checked a message and I never had a problem with it.
    12-17-2008 09:21 AM
  13. Nick9283's Avatar
    i would like an led idea as well. but imagin the whole front screen as an led red blinking light. hows that for having your phone call to you.
    12-17-2008 06:36 PM
  14. Nick9283's Avatar
    one thing i am eagerly awaiting from apple is the push notifications. if they can implement it in any way a blackberry works with the gmail client then it would murder bbry. simple beep and little badge on icon on front = wonderful
    12-17-2008 06:38 PM
  15. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    I think anyone who thinks that the BB browser is better than the iPhone browser because the trackball highlights the links is searching for a desperate excuse to convince himself the BB is better... when deep down inside he knows it's not.
    12-17-2008 08:20 PM
  16. Jeremy's Avatar
    I think anyone who thinks that the BB browser is better than the iPhone browser because the trackball highlights the links is searching for a desperate excuse to convince himself the BB is better... when deep down inside he knows it's not.
    Kevin never said the BB browser was better than the mobile Safari. In fact he said a few times that nothing beats the iPhone's browser.
    12-17-2008 10:06 PM
  17. dannzeman's Avatar
    i would like an led idea as well. but imagin the whole front screen as an led red blinking light. hows that for having your phone call to you.
    yeah, because that wouldn't waste the battery at all.
    12-17-2008 10:55 PM
  18. Microcosmos's Avatar
    I liked that CK's review was thorough, and it did seem fair (anyone who spends an entire day to purchase a phone must like it at least a little bit--heck I love my iPhone but I can't stand waiting in lines & won't do it even if the next gen iPhone folds my laundry!), if definitely biased towards RIM, his first love. I do think some of his gripes were nitpicky, & though I must admit I am a "5 to 9" smartphone user, I don't have nor do I forsee having any need to carry an alternate device. Especially with forthcoming free software updates to fix the things we complain about likely to happen.
    12-18-2008 12:58 AM
  19. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    Kevin never said the BB browser was better than the mobile Safari. In fact he said a few times that nothing beats the iPhone's browser.
    Sorry, you're right, the article was written by somebody named Al Saco.


    Also appears that like Roger Clemens' good friend, I "mis-remembered." The guy said he prefers the BB browser because you could scroll by hitting the space bar. Here's the relevant quote:

    "And because the iPhone's Safari Web browser requires you to zoom in and out to view text and images on Web pages, you'll need both hands for that funky pinch in and out motion. Not so with the BlackBerry Browser, which optimizes most pages for your device's screen and lets you scroll down by simply clicking your keyboard's space bar."
    12-18-2008 10:18 AM
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