1. foulou's Avatar
    I was an early adopter of the Palm 680 (Dec 2006). For the most part it has served me well. I only needed to replace it once and most of the apps work. However, lately I have had the random reboot on it's on syndrome. It's missing some features I want but I won't look to Palm to get them.

    The main reasons I will be upgrading to the IPhone:

    1. Slick User interface (no other phone compares)
    2. Clean design
    3. 3G
    4. Bluetooth 2.0
    5. WiFi
    6. 2.0 Software with Enterprise Features
    7. Compatible with my Simore Dual Sim card!!

    With Apple finally bending and providing a SDK, apps will eventually be in abundance as it currently is with the Palm OS. I like the Centro and the new 800 series sounds promising but Palm as been really slow to market with phones and innovations. I will keep my 680 as a backup but for me, the buy in time is quickly approaching.
    04-07-2008 04:12 PM
  2. foulou's Avatar
    Even though it was posted in the 680 forum.
    04-07-2008 05:31 PM
  3. Rene Ritchie's Avatar
    The SDK was more than likely planned all along.

    (I also got a 680 Dec. 2006)
    04-07-2008 10:18 PM
  4. cardfan's Avatar
    Not to burst your bubble, but apple is painfully slow as well. Still waiting for that first decent 3rd party app? Yeah? Copy and paste anyone?

    1. Slick UI. I don't see it. It's a home page with icons. Click the home button on a centro and you get the same thing. Click the icon, you open an app. Both are user friendly.

    2. Clean design. Or in other words, not many options with iphone. No menus hardly.

    3. 3G. Is this day and age, we're all excited that apple will get out a 3G phone. I've been using the Centro and older Treos on EVDO for a long time now...with option to tether.

    4. BT. Used it to sync once. I really don't get the appeal of headsets. May get BT stereo headphones one day..who knows.

    5. Wifi. Great, if you're in a wifi spot. But then again, i'm using my laptop in that instance. It's just seldomly used for me.

    6. 2.0 features and blah blah. It's vaporware til you see them. I'm still skeptical if we'll ever see anything like we did with palm as far as apps go.

    As it is, i'll have to ebay the iphone 1.0 soon. It's really been nothing more than a music ipod and a worst one than the Centro. The browser is nice, but very slow. Surprisingly, i've pretty much found i just don't watch video on it and that's what i kept it around for. Seemed good at the time though. Just something i don't do when i'm out i guess.
    04-11-2008 08:32 AM
  5. surur's Avatar
    Surprisingly, i've pretty much found i just don't watch video on it and that's what i kept it around for. Seemed good at the time though. Just something i don't do when i'm out i guess.
    The opportunities for watching video during the course of the day are pretty small. You cant do it went brushing your teeth, driving, even waiting in line, certainly not when working, and when you get back home you are again sitting in front of your 50 inch TV.

    Surur
    04-11-2008 09:00 AM
  6. cmaier's Avatar
    The UI is more than just the launcher. The various finger gestures really do make most people more productive. The various UI elements (pickers, scrollers, etc.) are generally well-thought out and well implemented (with a few minor nits).

    "No menus hardly" is not necessarily a bad thing. More options would be nice, but it's actually considered a good thing in UI design to hide things that are used less often while making it easy to do things that are done frequently. Even Microsoft has started to move away from menus (office 2007), because they aren't even necessarily the best UI for desktop apps; they almost certainly aren't the best UI for mobile apps.

    As for third-party apps, what you're going to see is going to blow away anything ever done on palm. I've programmed for both, and doing anything beyond "pocket organizer apps" on the palm is a royal pain. It had horrible support for graphics, multimedia, and very antiquated support for internet connectivity. iphone has built-in api's to allow 2d and 3d graphics, multimedia playback and streaming, a full, mature network stack, web page display, etc. It's miraculous what people have been able to accomplish on the palm (chatter!), but many of the programs that load up my palm devices can be written in just a day or two for the iphone. There are some issues, still, but I really think you're going to see a remarkable ecosystem of third-party apps, sold at a much lower price point than for palm and WM. I've been spending my evenings writing iphone apps lately, and i've written four programs in the time it would have taken me to write half of one on the palm.

    Not to burst your bubble, but apple is painfully slow as well. Still waiting for that first decent 3rd party app? Yeah? Copy and paste anyone?

    1. Slick UI. I don't see it. It's a home page with icons. Click the home button on a centro and you get the same thing. Click the icon, you open an app. Both are user friendly.

    2. Clean design. Or in other words, not many options with iphone. No menus hardly.

    3. 3G. Is this day and age, we're all excited that apple will get out a 3G phone. I've been using the Centro and older Treos on EVDO for a long time now...with option to tether.

    4. BT. Used it to sync once. I really don't get the appeal of headsets. May get BT stereo headphones one day..who knows.

    5. Wifi. Great, if you're in a wifi spot. But then again, i'm using my laptop in that instance. It's just seldomly used for me.

    6. 2.0 features and blah blah. It's vaporware til you see them. I'm still skeptical if we'll ever see anything like we did with palm as far as apps go.

    As it is, i'll have to ebay the iphone 1.0 soon. It's really been nothing more than a music ipod and a worst one than the Centro. The browser is nice, but very slow. Surprisingly, i've pretty much found i just don't watch video on it and that's what i kept it around for. Seemed good at the time though. Just something i don't do when i'm out i guess.
    04-11-2008 09:39 AM
  7. cmaier's Avatar
    The opportunities for watching video during the course of the day are pretty small. You cant do it went brushing your teeth, driving, even waiting in line, certainly not when working, and when you get back home you are again sitting in front of your 50 inch TV.

    Surur
    Only 50 inches, Surur? :-)

    The only time I watch video on my phone is when i'm waiting for my wife to pick out a dress at the mall. I find one of the "man benches" and pull out my earphones.
    04-11-2008 09:41 AM
  8. surur's Avatar
    There are way too few man benches in UK, not to mention the scarcity of man chreches!

    Surur
    04-11-2008 09:55 AM
  9. cardfan's Avatar
    Thanks for that post. I am real curious about the iphone apps though. And will keep following the progress.
    04-11-2008 04:02 PM
  10. Rene Ritchie's Avatar
    Lack of administrative debris is a plus, by Tufte!
    04-13-2008 10:34 AM
  11. foulou's Avatar
    Not to burst your bubble, but apple is painfully slow as well. Still waiting for that first decent 3rd party app? Yeah? Copy and paste anyone?

    1. Slick UI. I don't see it. It's a home page with icons. Click the home button on a centro and you get the same thing. Click the icon, you open an app. Both are user friendly.

    2. Clean design. Or in other words, not many options with iphone. No menus hardly.

    3. 3G. Is this day and age, we're all excited that apple will get out a 3G phone. I've been using the Centro and older Treos on EVDO for a long time now...with option to tether.

    4. BT. Used it to sync once. I really don't get the appeal of headsets. May get BT stereo headphones one day..who knows.

    5. Wifi. Great, if you're in a wifi spot. But then again, i'm using my laptop in that instance. It's just seldomly used for me.

    6. 2.0 features and blah blah. It's vaporware til you see them. I'm still skeptical if we'll ever see anything like we did with palm as far as apps go.

    As it is, i'll have to ebay the iphone 1.0 soon. It's really been nothing more than a music ipod and a worst one than the Centro. The browser is nice, but very slow. Surprisingly, i've pretty much found i just don't watch video on it and that's what i kept it around for. Seemed good at the time though. Just something i don't do when i'm out i guess.
    Cardfan,

    Do you work for Palm? As soon as Apple said "Enterprise" they declared war on Blackberrys and Windows Mobile phones. If I did an apples to apples comparison of a newly released phone (I.E. Treo 680 & IPhone) there is no comparison. Have you noticed the IPhone knockoffs, how many Treo knockoffs have you seen?

    I'm not an Apple everything fan, but I won't argue with a superior product. Everything that the IPhone is missing, will show up in a short period of time. Potential monetary revenue will see to it.
    04-13-2008 10:25 PM
  12. cardfan's Avatar
    Treo knockoffs? Problem is, even those knockoffs got old..lol

    There were plenty of them.

    No, i don't work for Palm, but i've used palm since the treo 300. How can you sit and say the iphone is a superior product when it can't do even half of what the Centro does?

    Everything the iphone is missing won't show up unless you perhaps buy iphone 2.0. Like i said, i remain doubtful that even this version bridges the gap.

    Went on a road trip yesterday..had both phones with me. Sure the iphone is good to browse on, if it didn't take so long to load up a page. With the Centro, i'm zipping right along reading what i want even if it didn't display as well.

    Got bored, played around streaming a few videos. Iphone was too slow to even attempt it.

    Decided to play some games. Picked up the centro because well..you know, the iphone doesn't have em.

    Recorded some video of the kiddo..had to use the centro.

    Decided to check some stuff on my laptop, used the Centro to tether it. Sorry, but iphone was useless here.

    I could go on and on. The point is, the iphone isn't there yet. I'd have picked it up to watch video already synced to it, but that's it. Anything else was superior on the Centro while on the roadtrip.

    Perhaps Apple will get it going later, i'm sure they will. As it is, it's dependent on wifi for the most part and lacks way too much. What we're waiting around for apple to do is catch up to Palm.

    And yes, the iphone's screen is gorgeous. Always has been.
    04-14-2008 07:21 AM
  13. cmaier's Avatar
    iphone does too have games! :-)
    04-14-2008 09:50 AM
  14. oalvarez's Avatar
    Only 50 inches, Surur? :-)

    The only time I watch video on my phone is when i'm waiting for my wife to pick out a dress at the mall. I find one of the "man benches" and pull out my earphones.
    what i enjoy most about the iPhone (which i will probably swap for an iTouch); i watch tv shows/movies almost every day when riding the lifecycle. i also love being able to surf the internet when "waiting around."

    still don't understand not being able to delete more than one email at a time.

    hope all is well
    04-14-2008 02:45 PM
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