1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Every so often I’ll come across an article, post or comment that states Apple hasn’t been innovative in recent years. Some people base their conclusion on design, whereas as others conclude that it hasn’t wowed them in quite some time.

    With that being said, I just have a couple of questions to ask:

    1. How many ways can Apple design an iPhone that will be acceptable by the masses and result in huge sales & profits?
    2. If Apple built an iPhone to your liking and it did EVERYTHING you wanted it to do, how long would it be before you’re bored with it and want something new?

    With the above questions in mind, can we honestly conclude Apple isn’t being innovative or is it more likely that some consumers are just craving something different, but don’t know exactly what it is yet?
    09-19-2021 07:48 AM
  2. FFR's Avatar
    I believe it comes from a lack of education.

    Most of the time they are conflating the word inventive with innovative .

    Innovate


    Invent
    09-19-2021 07:56 AM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I believe it comes from a lack of education.

    Most of the time they are conflating the word inventive with innovative .

    Innovate
    [IMG=1024x698]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210919/007a0d558e5cedf9b078bd68077d32bc.jpg[/url]

    Invent
    [IMG=1024x704]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210919/40e7737790ab2b585933eb1d33d216b8.jpg[/url]
    I’m definitely in agreement with you.
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    09-19-2021 08:03 AM
  4. FFR's Avatar
    I’m definitely in agreement with you.
    Well Thank you .


    1. How many ways can Apple design an iPhone that will be acceptable by the masses and result in huge sales & profits?
    Not much.

    Apple already owns the premium ($400 and up) smartphone market globally, it’s practically a clean sweep.



    Almost 60% of every smartphone sold globally over $400 is an iPhone.



    It’s even worse for the ultra premium segment ($800 and up) where Apple captured close to 75% of the market compared to 54% a year ago. Leaving about 15% for Everyone else.

    There really is no competition left in the premium market:

    Lg quit.

    Sony is selling around 400,000 smartphones a quarter, estimates peg it at 1-1.2 million for the year.

    Huawei is done selling smartphones since they can’t acquire any 5g modems.

    htc is pretty much dead after google acquired most of their talent a couple of years ago.

    Bbk; One plus got absorbed by oppo last year and oppo just fired 20% of their employees after their iPhone clone crashed and burned. One plus 9 series isn’t selling.

    Hmd or Nokia got bailed out by google last year due to horrible sales and are currently a disaster.

    Samsung’s premium phones have been cratering since the s10, the s21 ultra flopped even harder the note series got cancelled. Their mid range phones aren’t doing well either thus Samsung is auditing it’s smartphone business. It’s Soo bad that Samsung display and Samsung semiconductor started giving priority to other companies over Samsung mobile.

    Motorola is surviving selling budget phones in Latin America and the Far East, but just barely.

    What’s left? Xioami .

    YouTubers, bloggers, and fanboys don’t really have a background in finance and aren’t aware of what’s happening in the market. As the market consolidates further, I would expect a lot more hate targeted at apple and it’s users, doesn’t mean anything said has any accuracy or relevance to the market in general.
    09-19-2021 09:01 AM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Well Thank you .




    Not much.

    Apple already owns the premium ($400 and up) smartphone market globally, it’s practically a clean sweep.

    ….
    Exactly!….and that was my point.
    09-19-2021 09:14 AM
  6. Wotchered's Avatar
    Go on ‘D, you stick up for the apparently stuck iPhone machine !
    Apart from that ;Apple needs to come up with something that is ,a) new.
    b)interesting.
    c)useful.
    To catch the public’s imagination and make people want to buy new kit, because there has been a lot of emphasis on the longevity of iPhones recently, and that is not helpful to the bottom line.
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    09-19-2021 09:49 AM
  7. SteelSteve's Avatar
    No mutlitasking, no always on display, no finger print sensor. I was ready to upgrade but it seems all Apple really cares about is their camera’s. Guess I’ll be sticking with my trusty 11 for another year
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    09-19-2021 09:55 AM
  8. gnirkatto's Avatar
    I would already be satisfied with a few tiny little things, like always on display and a home screen that I can design to my liking without icons almost uncontrollably floating around.
    That I would not even call 'innovation' - but as an iphone user, you apparently have to limit your hopes and expectations. And sometimes, even with such lowered expectations, you still get disappointed.
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    09-19-2021 12:04 PM
  9. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The entire smartphone market has peaked. I don’t know how much more innovation can be put into these slabs of glass.

    Smartphones and computing are to us what the industrial revolution was to the generations that were living at its peak.
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    09-19-2021 01:24 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The entire smartphone market has peaked. I don’t know how much more innovation can be put into these slabs of glass.

    Smartphones and computing are to us what the industrial revolution was to the generations that were living at its peak.
    'Nuf said!
    09-19-2021 01:41 PM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Go on ‘D, you stick up for the apparently stuck iPhone machine
    I'm not sticking up for Apple or the iPhone machine. I want to know if it's really a lack of innovation, as some people have suggested or are they ignoring the innovation because they're hoping to be wowed without even knowing what that something is?

    Apart from that ;Apple needs to come up with something that is ,a) new.
    b)interesting.
    c)useful.
    To catch the public’s imagination and make people want to buy new kit, because there has been a lot of emphasis on the longevity of iPhones recently, and that is not helpful to the bottom line.
    And this comment basically answers my question.
    09-19-2021 01:55 PM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    No mutlitasking, no always on display, no finger print sensor. I was ready to upgrade but it seems all Apple really cares about is their camera’s. Guess I’ll be sticking with my trusty 11 for another year
    Is there an Android smartphone that has multi-tasking, an always-on display and a fingerprint sensor? If so, why won't you purchase one and use it as your primary device? If you're waiting for Apple to provide those things then an argument can be made that those items aren't really that important to you.
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    09-19-2021 02:01 PM
  13. FFR's Avatar
    Apart from that ;Apple needs to come up with something that is ,a) new.
    b)interesting.
    c)useful.

    c)useful.
    To catch the public’s imagination and make people want to buy new kit,
    I disagree, according to sales, apple doesn’t “need” to do anything. Consumers are “buying new kit” as is.

    because there has been a lot of emphasis on the longevity of iPhones recently, and that is not helpful to the bottom line.
    Again I believe you are wrong. It’s very helpful to the bottom line, those users might not be buying new iPhones every year but they aren’t purchasing from the competition either, slowly starving them out. Lg mobile had to close shop this year, I wonder who is next.

    It’s a genius strategy and one of the reasons I believe apple has such a long os update cycle.
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    09-19-2021 03:06 PM
  14. Annie_M's Avatar
    Every so often I’ll come across an article, post or comment that states Apple hasn’t been innovative in recent years. Some people base their conclusion on design, whereas as others conclude that it hasn’t wowed them in quite some time.

    With that being said, I just have a couple of questions to ask:

    1. How many ways can Apple design an iPhone that will be acceptable by the masses and result in huge sales & profits?
    2. If Apple built an iPhone to your liking and it did EVERYTHING you wanted it to do, how long would it be before you’re bored with it and want something new?

    With the above questions in mind, can we honestly conclude Apple isn’t being innovative or is it more likely that some consumers are just craving something different, but don’t know exactly what it is yet?
    I do think that Apple is innovative. I think that they probably have a lot of things on the drawing board that we’re not privy to yet. So all the stuff about Apple not being innovative is not something that I agree with.

    I am certain that there’s a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff that isn’t readily apparent!
    09-19-2021 03:12 PM
  15. FFR's Avatar
    Is there an Android smartphone that has multi-tasking, an always-on display and a fingerprint sensor? If so, why won't you purchase one and use it as your primary device? If you're waiting for Apple to provide those things then an argument can be made that those items aren't really that important to you.
    Don’t really understand the fascination with using multiple apps on an iPhone screen at the same time, two 3.35 inch windows/apps .

    Is it 1999 again ?
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    09-19-2021 03:36 PM
  16. SteelSteve's Avatar
    Is there an Android smartphone that has multi-tasking, an always-on display and a fingerprint sensor? If so, why won't you purchase one and use it as your primary device? If you're waiting for Apple to provide those things then an argument can be made that those items aren't really that important to you.
    Most Android phones do all 3. For me myself an always on display would be nice and was rumored for the IPhone 13, and if COVID taught us anything it’s that masks mess up face rec, so including a finger print sensor would be nice. My point was simply unless your a photography buff there really hasn’t been much of any changes since the IPhone X
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    09-19-2021 03:49 PM
  17. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Most Android phones do all 3. For me myself an always on display would be nice and was rumored for the IPhone 13, and if COVID taught us anything it’s that masks mess up face rec, so including a finger print sensor would be nice. My point was simply unless your a photography buff there really hasn’t been much of any changes since the IPhone X
    Basically, you’re more disappointed that certain rumored features ended up being untrue more than Apple isn’t innovating, right? As for the photography comment, I’m pretty much in agreement.
    09-19-2021 04:08 PM
  18. swarlos's Avatar
    Don’t really understand the fascination with using multiple apps on an iPhone screen at the same time, two 3.35 inch windows/apps .

    Is it 1999 again ?
    Exactly, I think it’s so pointless. I had a Pixel 5A for a couple weeks beginning of the month and I used split screen mode.

    Conclusion. It sucked! LOL. Using two tiny windows was awful. I was trying to use a guide to change icons to match Android 12 Material You and the other window I was using the app to customize the icons, it was a terrible experience. Definitely a gimmick and I can see why  hasn’t implemented it on the iPhone.

    Now it works wonders on the iPad and I use it all the time but on the iPhone it would just be too compact.
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    09-19-2021 04:26 PM
  19. FFR's Avatar
    Most Android phones do all 3. For me myself an always on display would be nice and was rumored for the IPhone 13, and if COVID taught us anything it’s that masks mess up face rec, so including a finger print sensor would be nice. My point was simply unless your a photography buff there really hasn’t been much of any changes since the IPhone X
    You don’t need to buy a new phone with Touch ID, just use an Apple Watch. Aod is kind of pointless with an apple watch as well.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212208

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    09-19-2021 04:37 PM
  20. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    I mean, it hasn't been innovative. The last time the iPhone got any meaningful change was the iPhone X. Every year after that, it's been iterative upgrades. I'm still getting the iPhone 13 Pro Max, but it doesn't make me excited.

    At least others are doing something different, such as foldable displays.
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    09-19-2021 04:57 PM
  21. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    You don’t need to buy a new phone with Touch ID, just use an Apple Watch. Aod is kind of pointless with an apple watch as well.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212208

    [IMG=474x1024]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210919/f05f656fa6dd7d8351ebd1d8fea94912.jpg[/url]
    Shouldn't need an optional $400 accessory to easily unlock a phone while wearing a facemask.
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    09-19-2021 04:59 PM
  22. FFR's Avatar
    Exactly, I think it’s so pointless. I had a Pixel 5A for a couple weeks beginning of the month and I used split screen mode.

    Conclusion. It sucked! LOL. Using two tiny windows was awful. I was trying to use a guide to change icons to match Android 12 Material You and the other window I was using the app to customize the icons, it was a terrible experience. Definitely a gimmick and I can see why  hasn’t implemented it on the iPhone.

    Now it works wonders on the iPad and I use it all the time but on the iPhone it would just be too compact.

    That’s the thing isn’t it, iPhone users can use an iPad, android users don’t want to use an android tablet .

    For android users It’s either tiny screen multitasking or nothing.
    09-19-2021 05:05 PM
  23. FFR's Avatar
    Shouldn't need an optional $400 accessory to easily unlock a phone while wearing a facemask.
    Doesn’t cost anything If you already have an Apple Watch, and if you don’t you can get one second hand for nothing.

    If you want those features on an iPhone there is a way. If you don’t you can just pull down your mask. , which still works better than an under screen fps.


    At least others are doing something different, such as foldable displays.
    What’s the point of doing something different if it doesn’t work/sell.

    The foldables are even more Iterative than the iPhone. Aren’t they on their third generation? Not much has changed for foldables in three years .
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    09-19-2021 05:11 PM
  24. xanadome's Avatar
    I do not really feel anything premium about iPhone. Mobile phone market saturated quite sometime ago. Only thing premium about iPhone is Apple pricing. It apparently gives some quarter of the walled garden market tremendous "high-end" feeling by owning iPhone. Apple really succeeded in creating this image. Apple watches, though very useful, are something disposable every 1 to 3 years yet they put Hermes, Nike and other name brands to maintain high end image. When Apple hyped up X super-cycle, I stopped my annual update cycle. I did not want to be milked. My current SE2020 is very "useful". I used to be an incurable gadget freak but became quite sober these days. I ran my own business that requires heavy use of off-office (i.e., mobile) communications. But I have no desire to buy the latest and the greatest. Perhaps next year when iPhone 14 might have some sort of touch ID, I will probably buy it. Until then, nothing really attracts me (as far as mobile phone is concerned). Other thing is that I strongly believe that the culture of Apple has changed (or completely lost). I do not expect Apple will wow us every year. But somehow, when Apple was more than spreadsheet gazer/bottom line defender, I loved everything Apple was doing and was proud of owning their products, S/W or H/W.
    If I may, I just wish to post some quotes I stole from another forum that I noted and stored in my Notes app (hey, it's Apple app and very user friendly! :-). Sorry, my post is becoming too long.
    I value those airy-faiiry image of Apple in yesteryears more than high-end image created. In the era of former CEO, we all could feel that he was always thinking about pleasing users of Apple products. The bottom line naturally followed.

    "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." - Steve Jobs

    "Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything." - Steve Jobs at the unveiling of iPhone

    "We built products for ourselves. We were the group of people who were going to judge whether it was great or not. We weren't going to go out and do market research. - Steve Jobs"

    [Think Different] commercial in his own words in 1997



    Ahh, speechless.....
    09-19-2021 05:52 PM
  25. xanadome's Avatar
    And... One more thing.
    I am not a "worshipper" of Jobs, but he did not need script screen in his key note speech as everything was store in his head. It was mostly spontaneous presentation. When he realized that his customers were pleased, you could tell how proud he was. Seeing that, I was most willing and happy to buy Apple products. Never felt price was artificially jacked up. When products are good, people are most willing to open their wallet. High end image? Never cared about it. I just felt lucky to be able to afford what I wanted and worth spending money for.
    09-19-2021 06:26 PM
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