1. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    The entire smartphone market has peaked. I don’t know how much more innovation can be put into these slabs of glass.

    Smartphones and computing are to us what the industrial revolution was to the generations that were living at its peak.
    This was exactly my first thought when I read the OP. Is a foldable screen innovative? When you open it up it’s still just a smartphone.

    At this point I’m just using a phone that has the features I use most at a reasonable price. Anything else is just throwing money away in my book.
    09-19-2021 08:00 PM
  2. xanadome's Avatar
    This was exactly my first thought when I read the OP. Is a foldable screen innovative? When you open it up it’s still just a smartphone.

    At this point I’m just using a phone that has the features I use most at a reasonable price. Anything else is just throwing money away in my book.
    Totally agreed.
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    09-19-2021 08:03 PM
  3. gyounk's Avatar
    Then buy an Apple Watch 3 for $199 @mrsegundus.

    That feature works great!
    09-20-2021 06:38 AM
  4. cornettbr's Avatar
    I think Apple really does need to step up their game, the fact that they just now busted out a screen with 120hz refresh when everyone else has had them for a minute is sad.
    09-20-2021 07:14 AM
  5. Wotchered's Avatar
    Interesting ! I personally hope that Apple stays away from “foldy fones” until there is a system around that will last for five years or more, Oh and I hate watches, and have no intention of wearing one again.
    I would like to see a battery that would allow my iPhone to run for three days, or real air charging. I would like to see a genuine Apple browser, easily customisable so I never need see ten year old content again (unless I hit an ALL button !) And I would like to see some genuine security measures,that do not come pre-disabled. Nothing much, and nothing that Apple could not afford to do if it put its mind to it. The bling is for those who need an excuse to spend over a grand every year to keep the used market going.
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    09-20-2021 08:45 AM
  6. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Doesn’t cost anything If you already have an Apple Watch, and if you don’t you can get one second hand for nothing.

    If you want those features on an iPhone there is a way. If you don’t you can just pull down your mask. , which still works better than an under screen fps.



    What’s the point of doing something different if it doesn’t work/sell.

    The foldables are even more Iterative than the iPhone. Aren’t they on their third generation? Not much has changed for foldables in three years .
    It still requires buying an optional accessory to bypass FaceID. "Next to nothing" is still $100+. That's not "next to nothing".
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    09-20-2021 09:14 AM
  7. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Then buy an Apple Watch 3 for $199 @mrsegundus.

    That feature works great!
    Not everyone can go out and just drop $200 on an optional accessory. Shouldn't have to spend more money just to bypass FaceID with a mask.

    BTW, bypassing FaceID with my Apple Watch only works like 1 in 4 times.
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    09-20-2021 09:17 AM
  8. gyounk's Avatar
    You are correct. Not everyone can afford $200.

    Don’t wear a mask the. Risk it.

    It work every time with my Face ID on my iPhone 11 and Apple Watch 4. 100% every time.
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    09-20-2021 11:58 AM
  9. FFR's Avatar
    Then buy an Apple Watch 3 for $199 @mrsegundus.

    That feature works great!
    You can find a used one for much less .
    You know if they really wanted the feature.

    09-20-2021 12:28 PM
  10. FFR's Avatar
    It still requires buying an optional accessory to bypass FaceID. "Next to nothing" is still $100+. That's not "next to nothing".
    Not really the poster I quoted already has an Apple Watch. Are you speaking about yourself?
    09-20-2021 12:30 PM
  11. FFR's Avatar
    I do not really feel anything premium about iPhone. Mobile phone market saturated quite sometime ago. Only thing premium about iPhone is Apple pricing. It apparently gives some quarter of the walled garden market tremendous "high-end" feeling by owning iPhone. Apple really succeeded in creating this image. Apple watches, though very useful, are something disposable every 1 to 3 years yet they put Hermes, Nike and other name brands to maintain high end image. When Apple hyped up X super-cycle, I stopped my annual update cycle. I did not want to be milked. My current SE2020 is very "useful". I used to be an incurable gadget freak but became quite sober these days. I ran my own business that requires heavy use of off-office (i.e., mobile) communications. But I have no desire to buy the latest and the greatest. Perhaps next year when iPhone 14 might have some sort of touch ID, I will probably buy it. Until then, nothing really attracts me (as far as mobile phone is concerned). Other thing is that I strongly believe that the culture of Apple has changed (or completely lost). I do not expect Apple will wow us every year. But somehow, when Apple was more than spreadsheet gazer/bottom line defender, I loved everything Apple was doing and was proud of owning their products, S/W or H/W.
    If I may, I just wish to post some quotes I stole from another forum that I noted and stored in my Notes app (hey, it's Apple app and very user friendly! :-). Sorry, my post is becoming too long.
    I value those airy-faiiry image of Apple in yesteryears more than high-end image created. In the era of former CEO, we all could feel that he was always thinking about pleasing users of Apple products. The bottom line naturally followed.

    "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." - Steve Jobs

    "Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes along that changes everything." - Steve Jobs at the unveiling of iPhone

    "We built products for ourselves. We were the group of people who were going to judge whether it was great or not. We weren't going to go out and do market research. - Steve Jobs"

    [Think Different] commercial in his own words in 1997



    Ahh, speechless.....
    Doesn’t matter what your feelings are; premium refers to 400 plus dollar. It’s an industry standard


    And... One more thing.
    I am not a "worshipper" of Jobs, but he did not need script screen in his key note speech as everything was store in his head. It was mostly spontaneous presentation. When he realized that his customers were pleased, you could tell how proud he was. Seeing that, I was most willing and happy to buy Apple products. Never felt price was artificially jacked up. When products are good, people are most willing to open their wallet. High end image? Never cared about it. I just felt lucky to be able to afford what I wanted and worth spending money for.
    Jobs had the screens hidden in the stage, it wasn’t spontaneous, he rehearsed with an audience till he got it perfect, including timing laughter and applause from the audience.

    You shouldn’t make things up.
    09-20-2021 12:31 PM
  12. xanadome's Avatar
    Doesn’t matter what your feelings are; premium refers to 400 plus dollar. It’s an industry standard




    Jobs had the screens hidden in the stage, it wasn’t spontaneous, he rehearsed with an audience till he got it perfect, including timing laughter and applause from the audience.

    You shouldn’t make things up.
    Re industry standard, I forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me of it.

    Re Jobs presentation, I knew he was occasionally changed his sightline sideways, giving short glancing at some screens, but very rarely. I thought it was mostly for agenda and sequence os presentations etc.
    1. He did have everything in his head. You just can tell it from the way and what he was presenting. He presented everything as if they were his personal project. But it should also be true that he must have rehearsed everything million times. My point was mostly about the comparison with Cook's presentation: Yes, we all enjoyed Jobs insertions of smart remarks and humours. He could do that precisely because most of what he wanted to say was in his head. I watched his presentation so many times and of course know there are hidden monitors etc. In Cook's time, those transcripts are obviously placed in lower point between the stage and audience (hidden). But his occasional changes in eye directions revealed where they were place. I did not think I made up anything in a public forum like this, lol. I just wanted to make my posts more concise but it apparently did not work out well.
    09-20-2021 01:08 PM
  13. FFR's Avatar
    Re industry standard, I forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me of it.

    Re Jobs presentation, I knew he was occasionally changed his sightline sideways, giving short glancing at some screens, but very rarely. I thought it was mostly for agenda and sequence os presentations etc.
    1. He did have everything in his head. You just can tell it from the way and what he was presenting. He presented everything as if they were his personal project. But it should also be true that he must have rehearsed everything million times. My point was mostly about the comparison with Cook's presentation: Yes, we all enjoyed Jobs insertions of smart remarks and humours. He could do that precisely because most of what he wanted to say was in his head. I watched his presentation so many times and of course know there are hidden monitors etc. In Cook's time, those transcripts are obviously placed in lower point between the stage and audience (hidden). But his occasional changes in eye directions revealed where they were place. I did not think I made up anything in a public forum like this, lol. I just wanted to make my posts more concise but it apparently did not work out well.


    And... One more thing.
    I am not a "worshipper" of Jobs, but he did not need script screen in his key note speech as everything was store in his head. It was mostly spontaneous presentation.

    Spontaneous or rehearsed can’t be both, so yeah sounded made up, you know since it wasn’t true.
    09-20-2021 01:16 PM
  14. xanadome's Avatar
    Spontaneous or rehearsed can’t be both, so yeah sounded made up, you know since it wasn’t true.
    OK, sorry, English is not my first language. But I am sure you knew what I was trying to convey. Jobs presented his speech so smoothly that it all "sounded "spontaneous" in the essence of his speech. It is very natural to rehearse the proceeding of speech before, but I still insist that most, if not all, of his speech at least sounded "spontaneous". Take a look at his presentation at unveiling of the 1st iPhone.

    OK, I need to take a few years sabbatical from this forum while polishing my English....
    I do not want to spread false info., of course not, lol

    So long and see you guys again (with my perfect and even nuance English).
    09-20-2021 01:27 PM
  15. FFR's Avatar
    OK, sorry, English is not my first language. But I am sure you knew what I was trying to convey. Jobs presented his speech so smoothly that it all "sounded "spontaneous" in the essence of his speech. It is very natural to rehearse the proceeding of speech before, but I still insist that most, if not all, of his speech at least sounded "spontaneous". Take a look at his presentation at unveiling of the 1st iPhone.

    OK, I need to take a few years sabbatical from this forum while polishing my English....
    I do not want to spread false info., of course not, lol

    So long and see you guys again (with my perfect and even nuance English).
    The word you are looking for is rehearsed.

    It’s iOS day, download and enjoy
    09-20-2021 02:55 PM
  16. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    I mean, it hasn't been innovative. The last time the iPhone got any meaningful change was the iPhone X. Every year after that, it's been iterative upgrades. I'm still getting the iPhone 13 Pro Max, but it doesn't make me excited. At least others are doing something different, such as foldable displays.
    Why would I want a foldable display ? So I can spend $1700 on a more fragile, clunky device ? Is this supposed to replace my phone and tablet ? It appears to do a crappy job at both tasks, and cost about the same as dual devices. Multi-task devices aren’t always better. I’ll stick with my separate iPhone and iPad Pro.

    Why are you getting the iPhone 13 Pro Max ? What device are you upgrading from ?
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    09-20-2021 03:41 PM
  17. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Why would I want a foldable display ? So I can spend $1700 on a more fragile, clunky device ? Is this supposed to replace my phone and tablet ? It appears to do a crappy job at both tasks, and cost about the same as dual devices. Multi-task devices aren’t always better. I’ll stick with my separate iPhone and iPad Pro.

    Why are you getting the iPhone 13 Pro Max ? What device are you upgrading from ?
    You answered your own question RE: foldable displays.
    09-20-2021 03:56 PM
  18. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    You can find a used one for much less .
    You know if they really wanted the feature.

    [IMG=560x1024]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210920/caf9874db470077ca57932614eb26e6e.jpg[/url]

    I don't understand why you aren't getting it. Even spending $50 for an optional accessory to get something to work is unacceptable.
    cckgz4 likes this.
    09-20-2021 03:57 PM
  19. FFR's Avatar
    I don't understand why you aren't getting it. Even spending $50 for an optional accessory to get something to work is unacceptable.
    What are you not getting?

    The poster I quoted already has an Apple Watch, won’t cost him anything .

    If you want the feature You can get the feature plus a bunch of others, That is more than acceptable and cheaper than buying another phone, which makes it quite preferable.
    09-20-2021 04:26 PM
  20. FFR's Avatar
    Why would I want a foldable display ? So I can spend $1700 on a more fragile, clunky device ? Is this supposed to replace my phone and tablet ? It appears to do a crappy job at both tasks, and cost about the same as dual devices. Multi-task devices aren’t always better. I’ll stick with my separate iPhone and iPad Pro.

    Why are you getting the iPhone 13 Pro Max ? What device are you upgrading from ?
    You are right not many would. The innovation is only when you are not using the device.

    2000 dollars for an mini android tablet with very few optimized apps and an unusable front facing camera.

    iPad Pro 12.9 user be like

    09-20-2021 04:33 PM
  21. anon(50597)'s Avatar
    I’m a mechanical watch person so will never wear an Apple Watch. My wife does own one though.
    09-20-2021 04:49 PM
  22. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    Almost forgot… One can disable Face ID and go old school by using just a passcode.

    I live in a free state, muzzles are not required.
    09-20-2021 04:50 PM
  23. cckgz4's Avatar
    Every so often I’ll come across an article, post or comment that states Apple hasn’t been innovative in recent years. Some people base their conclusion on design, whereas as others conclude that it hasn’t wowed them in quite some time.

    With that being said, I just have a couple of questions to ask:

    1. How many ways can Apple design an iPhone that will be acceptable by the masses and result in huge sales & profits?
    2. If Apple built an iPhone to your liking and it did EVERYTHING you wanted it to do, how long would it be before you’re bored with it and want something new?

    With the above questions in mind, can we honestly conclude Apple isn’t being innovative or is it more likely that some consumers are just craving something different, but don’t know exactly what it is yet?

    1. I'm not sure of the many ways they can change up their design, but I know that we've pretty much had this aesthetic since the X was released.

    2. Good question. As a tech enthusiast naturally, I'd probably always keep a general awareness about what new tech is out there. But as a whole, I don't feel like cell phone technology can really break the mold any further than what's already been done. I will say, I love what Samsung is doing. The Z Flip is what catches my eye as you can just look at the smaller screen for notifications, fold it in half to fit in your pocket easier, keep it half opened for dual screen purposes or split function purposes for one app, etc.

    I guess my thing is this: It's fine to love what you have and support the brand that works for you. But if technology was stagnant, everyone would still be using portrait style keyboard phones. I like that Apple has consistency, but I'll be honest that I'm not excited when I pick my phone up. It's just a phone
    09-21-2021 12:52 PM
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