1. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Depending on that Apple / T-Mobile gives for the 11 Pro Max, I may upgrade. Then again, I may not.
    09-14-2021 03:36 PM
  2. Ed7789's Avatar
    I'm considering trading my 11 Pro for a 13 Pro.

    Apple would give about 530$ in trade-in value for my phone, kicking the price of the 128GB 13 Pro to about 850$. The outright price for the 13 Pro being 1399$.

    Decisions, decisions and headaches inbound.
    09-14-2021 06:56 PM
  3. C6TX6's Avatar
    I don't do trade-ins. Much better money selling unwanted devices. IMHO of course.
    That said, I will be preordering a 13 Pro Max 1TB.
    I've got 15 days to return it if I don't feel its worth it.

    The biggest thing when getting a new device is finding a case I like!
    It's almost fun. Almost.

    p.s. When will the iPhone 13 forums be created? It's been almost a day since they were announced! :P
    09-15-2021 07:14 AM
  4. suitebliss's Avatar
    I won’t! I’m not even excited, it’s the same phone once again! At least give me a design change!
    09-15-2021 07:47 AM
  5. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    I won’t! I’m not even excited, it’s the same phone once again! At least give me a design change!
    You’ll only get a design change every 2-4 years. This new device is technically a 12s. Not sure why they didn’t go with that.
    aximtreo and Spencerdl like this.
    09-15-2021 07:50 AM
  6. Spencerdl's Avatar
    I won’t! I’m not even excited, it’s the same phone once again! At least give me a design change!
    The iPhone just had a design change from the 11 to the 12 and one of the main reasons I upgraded. They went from a round edge back to the flat edge. For me that was a significant design change to be honest.
    09-15-2021 11:56 AM
  7. o4liberty's Avatar
    The differences between the 12 and 13 are very small and not worth the upgrade IMO. The pro motion is controled by the phone you can't keep it at 120.
    09-15-2021 01:13 PM
  8. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    The differences between the 12 and 13 are very small and not worth the upgrade IMO. The pro motion is controled by the phone you can't keep it at 120.
    I disagree. I feel like the 120 refresh rate, bigger battery and newer chip are all worth upgrading.

    I’m not sure what some people were expecting quite honestly.
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    09-15-2021 01:18 PM
  9. ltcomedy's Avatar
    I love mine and can’t part with it. I’m using a bumper so I can always show the color off.
    What bumper are you using? Ive been looking for a good one for the 12 pro max that works well with the pacific blue color.
    09-15-2021 02:46 PM
  10. Annie_M's Avatar
    What bumper are you using? Ive been looking for a good one for the 12 pro max that works well with the pacific blue color.
    I have a Spigen clear case, which works well with pacific blue! Also, hello and welcome to iMore!
    aximtreo likes this.
    09-15-2021 03:14 PM
  11. FFR's Avatar
    I disagree. I feel like the 120 refresh rate, bigger battery and newer chip are all worth upgrading.

    I’m not sure what some people were expecting quite honestly.
    Form what I have read 120 hz will be very different on the iPhone 13 pro compared to android.

    Apparently 120hz on android phones with an ltpo panel are quite janky and stutters when the panel moves between refresh rates, and the animations on Samsung ui are limited to only 60hz. With the iPhone 13 pro apple has already optimized iOS 15 for the variable refresh.
    phlamethrowre and grover5 like this.
    09-15-2021 05:38 PM
  12. C6TX6's Avatar
    RE: 120 Hz...

    I have a 2018 iPad Pro (11") that has a 120Hz panel. I can tell you this, even today with iPadOS15 it is very smooth, much smoother than my 12 Pro Max and rivals my 120Hz Android phones! 120Hz on iPhone 13 should be spectacularly smooth!
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    09-15-2021 05:47 PM
  13. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Form what I have read 120 hz will be very different on the iPhone 13 pro compared to android.

    Apparently 120hz on android phones with an ltpo panel are quite janky and stutters when the panel moves between refresh rates, and the animations on Samsung ui are limited to only 60hz. With the iPhone 13 pro apple has already optimized iOS 15 for the variable refresh.
    I used a S21 Ultra for a few months and didn’t experience any jankyness or struttering. It was actually a very nice screen. I always come back to iOS for iMessage and so I can see where my older daughters are at all times.
    FFR likes this.
    09-15-2021 06:20 PM
  14. FFR's Avatar
    I used a S21 Ultra for a few months and didn’t experience any jankyness or struttering.

    Apparently all LPTO panels on android phones offer the jankyness/stuttering when the panel shifts through its variable refresh rates. This is due to Samsung using a different LTPO backplane on the Oled panel instead of paying apple for the one they developed.

    The note 20 ultra is not affected due to its Hop panel that Samsung was using before moving on to a different version of LTPO for the s21 ultra and the z fold 3, but it only offered 120hz @1080p.

    It was actually a very nice screen. I always come back to iOS for iMessage and so I can see where my older daughters are at all times.
    I wouldn’t call the display nice, it can’t even out put dolby vision, which is shocking for its price as a 2021 flagship. Hope you didn’t lose much offloading it, second had prices tanked now that s21 ultra officially flopped.
    09-15-2021 07:46 PM
  15. Momof2_1711's Avatar
    What bumper are you using? Ive been looking for a good one for the 12 pro max that works well with the pacific blue color.


    Bumper Designed for iPhone 12 Pro... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N4MVR69...mUvbUpU3264702
    09-15-2021 07:52 PM
  16. phlamethrowre's Avatar

    Apparently all LPTO panels on android phones offer the jankyness/stuttering when the panel shifts through its variable refresh rates. This is due to Samsung using a different LTPO backplane on the Oled panel instead of paying apple for the one they developed.

    The note 20 ultra is not affected due to its Hop panel that Samsung was using before moving on to a different version of LTPO for the s21 ultra and the z fold 3, but it only offered 120hz @1080p.



    I wouldn’t call the display nice, it can’t even out put dolby vision, which is shocking for its price as a 2021 flagship. Hope you didn’t lose much offloading it, second had prices tanked now that s21 ultra officially flopped.
    I actually owned the phone and used it daily. The screen is better than my iPhone 12 Pro Max which I also own and use daily.

    You seem overly critical of anything not Apple, like you have to justify your decisions.
    mach1man and tadpoles like this.
    09-15-2021 07:53 PM
  17. taz323's Avatar
    So far haven't seen anything worth trading up from the 12 pro max.
    suitebliss and tadpoles like this.
    09-15-2021 07:55 PM
  18. FFR's Avatar
    I actually owned the phone and used it daily. The screen is better than my iPhone 12 Pro Max which I also own and use daily.
    Im not the one trying to compare a 2021 oled panel with a 2020 model , wait for the iPhone 13 pro.


    You seem overly critical of anything not Apple, like you have to justify your decisions.
    Not really. I wouldn’t call bringing up sales figures or components as being critical, I don’t personally control the market .

    The s21 series isn’t doing very well and Samsung is auditing its smartphone business because of it. I’m pretty sure I’m not responsible for that either .


    09-15-2021 08:15 PM
  19. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Im not the one trying to compare a 2021 oled panel with a 2020 model , wait for the iPhone 13 pro.



    Not really. I wouldn’t call bringing up sales figures or components as being critical, I don’t personally control the market .

    The s21 series isn’t doing very well and Samsung is auditing its smartphone business because of it. I’m pretty sure I’m not responsible for that either .

    [IMG=920x1024]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210916/3090369198f147e1c9090546f4009cba.jpg[/url]
    [IMG=508x1024]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210916/8f01c26b8d96defcd1e08336f1a6393b.jpg[/url]
    Your post completely proves my point.
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    09-15-2021 08:37 PM
  20. FFR's Avatar
    Your post completely proves my point.
    Ok
    09-15-2021 08:38 PM
  21. C6TX6's Avatar
    After using the Z Fold 3 for a while I will say this much, when (Apple) finally does release a folding phone it WILL be THE one to own. Apple may need to expand their trade in program to make it within reach of a larger customer base as it won't be cheap. I never wanted a folder, thought it was a gimmick and attention getter. But actually as I depend more and more on a mobile device and multi task on the go, it's invaluable to me! Apple has niche market offerings (8TB Macbook Pros hehe) and this is no exception. It's not for everyone mind you. They could also do their version of the Flip, they could call it the flipbook! :P

    I do plan on preordering a 1TB 13 Pro Max tomorrow AM because, well 1TB! And it will be the most expensive iPhone to date costing the same as my 512GB Fold 3 which was $300 off thanks to BB!

    My biggest gripe about the 13 (get ready!) is the lack of a matte black color. The phantom black Samsung has is amazing. I wish the camera bump was jet black too. Maybe next year the 14 will be closer with near flush design. It's like being a kid again when you didn't get everything you wanted for Christmas and your parents reply was "Well there's always next year"
    Annie_M and tadpoles like this.
    09-16-2021 07:43 AM
  22. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    I don't see enough changes in the 13 Pro Max to make me want to upgrade my 12 Pro Max that's working just fine. I always like the BEST camera, but I really am doing fine with the 12 ProMax camera now. I can't justify the upgrade if you can even really call it much of an upgrade. May upgrade my Apple Watch 6 to the 7 though. On the fence about that one.

    I see far more of an upgrade between the iPhone 12 and 13 than the Apple Watch series 6 and 7, personally.

    I am upgrading my 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max but keeping my Series 4 Apple Watch that works perfectly. But then I do a ton of videos and photos for work, so the camera capabilities of the phone are important to me. the watch just needs to tell the time and convey important messages. Hell, I spend half my time wearing one of my other 'real' watches anyway.
    09-17-2021 09:24 AM
  23. o4liberty's Avatar
    Gave the wife my 12 mini and ordered a 13 mini for myself.
    sekelani likes this.
    09-17-2021 09:27 AM
  24. pantlesspenguin's Avatar
    No upgrades for phone or watch here. I'm holding out for the next iPad Air and Airpods (well, hoping for an upgrade for the regular Airpod design, not the pros).
    Jude526 likes this.
    09-17-2021 10:25 AM
  25. Craig's Avatar
    I see far more of an upgrade between the iPhone 12 and 13 than the Apple Watch series 6 and 7, personally.

    I am upgrading my 11 Pro Max to a 13 Pro Max but keeping my Series 4 Apple Watch that works perfectly. But then I do a ton of videos and photos for work, so the camera capabilities of the phone are important to me. the watch just needs to tell the time and convey important messages. Hell, I spend half my time wearing one of my other 'real' watches anyway.
    I never said the watch had "much of an upgrade" between the 6 and the 7, I just said I may do the upgrade, mostly because I may want it.
    09-17-2021 11:36 AM
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