1. Quis89's Avatar
    There is more than size, and in some cases the size is the same.
    Correct. There are hardware differences. But how are the hardware differences used to provide a better software experience in the Pro devices aside from processing speed? What additional features are available? I acknowledge the Smart Keyboard and the Apple Pencil. The Pencil especially is a great tool that would justify the Pro devices to some. But that's really the only thing I can think of.
    04-28-2017 08:07 AM
  2. ItnStln511's Avatar
    I'd be more than happy if they changed the name to something other than "iPad" if that's the reason it needs to run iOS. Why do our iPads NEED to run the same OS as our iPhones? Simply because that's what we are used to? In my opinion, a Pro iPad shouldn't run the same OS as an iPhone SE.
    The iPad has always been the "larger iPhone". That's what everyone called it when it came out.
    If you want to get people to see it as more than just an iPad, and run other software, naming it something else will avoid confusion. Apple has so many offerings between tablets and laptops that the line is blurred enough without calling something the same thing as something else but making it different.
    How about how Samsung does it? They had the Galaxy Note Pro targeted at business users, and the Galaxy Tab Pro targeted at consumers. It worked very well.
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    04-28-2017 01:20 PM
  3. ItnStln511's Avatar
    I think that Apple have been keeping their iPad line running IOS because it might hinder sales of their 12" Macbook. I say this because, you could pick up the 128 GB model (12.9" iPad) for around $899 maybe even cheaper in some stores since its getting a little older. Whereas the 12" Macbook is selling for $1,299. So the 12.9" iPad is a pretty significant savings. Why wouldn't you buy it if it ran the same OS?

    Maybe I'm wrong, but thats how i see it.
    I'm sure that's the reason, and I get it. Having said that, if the trend is moving toward a tablet running a full fledged OS, then they should consider it an option. How many customers have they lost to the Surface Pro, especially business people? Even if it did cut into iPad sales, they would still come out ahead, in my opinion. Anyway, like you, I'm just sharing an opinion, my friend it's not a right or wrong conversation...
    Well said
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    04-28-2017 01:22 PM
  4. robertk328's Avatar
    Correct. There are hardware differences. But how are the hardware differences used to provide a better software experience in the Pro devices aside from processing speed? What additional features are available? I acknowledge the Smart Keyboard and the Apple Pencil. The Pencil especially is a great tool that would justify the Pro devices to some. But that's really the only thing I can think of.
    • True Tone display (with laminated screen)
    • A9X processor vs A9
    • Up to 256gb
    • Higher res front/rear camera (12MP rear/5MP front vs 8MP rear/1.2MP front)
    • 4 speakers vs 2
    04-28-2017 04:21 PM
  5. Quis89's Avatar
    • True Tone display (with laminated screen)
    • A9X processor vs A9
    • Up to 256gb
    • Higher res front/rear camera (12MP rear/5MP front vs 8MP rear/1.2MP front)
    • 4 speakers vs 2
    The True Tone isn't available on the 12.9 (more expensive) model.

    But those are also hardware differences that, in my opinion, don't further separate the software experience much. And the topic is about the software experience on the devices. In my opinion, those differences don't cut it. I would like something more out of the software on the Pro devices, personally. Thats all I want lol.
    04-28-2017 04:27 PM
  6. robertk328's Avatar
    The True Tone isn't available on the 12.9 (more expensive) model.

    But those are also hardware differences that, in my opinion, don't further separate the software experience much. And the topic is about the software experience on the devices. In my opinion, those differences don't cut it. I would like something more out of the software on the Pro devices, personally. Thats all I want lol.
    Understood. D is the one who started this mess. lol

    To me it's not worth it... I have the iPad 2 and a MBP. Any other iPad is useless to me... the iPad I got for $300 to replace a 1st gen Mini so it's quite the upgrade. Don't need anything in between!
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    04-28-2017 04:30 PM
  7. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    How about how Samsung does it? They had the Galaxy Note Pro targeted at business users, and the Galaxy Tab Pro targeted at consumers. It worked very well.
    Yeah that's not confusing at all to customers ...
    04-29-2017 07:37 AM
  8. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Yeah that's not confusing at all to customers ...
    It really isn't when you look at how they marketed the two devices. Perhaps I just payed more attention to the difference between the two devices? Perhaps I'm just more intelligent than most customers?
    04-29-2017 08:03 AM
  9. SprSynJn's Avatar
    Wouldn't it just be better to get an AirMac if you want macOS?
    04-29-2017 08:45 AM
  10. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    It really isn't when you look at how they marketed the two devices. Perhaps I just payed more attention to the difference between the two devices? Perhaps I'm just more intelligent than most customers?
    Let's name both products with Pro in the name ... that's not confusing at all ...

    Since we're on the subject of Samsung marketing whats the genius of having a Galaxy Tab A, Galaxy Tab E lite 7.0, Galaxy Tab, A 10.1, Galaxy Tab S3, Galaxy Tab E 8.0, Galaxy Tab Pro S, Galaxy Tab S2 9.7, Galaxy View, Galaxy Tab S2 8.0, Galaxy Tab E, Galaxy Tab A 8.0, Galaxy Tab A 9.7, Galaxy Tab 3 V, Galaxy Tab Active, Galaxy Tab S 10.5, Galaxy Tab S 8.4, Galaxy Tab 4 7.0, Galaxy Tab 4 8.0, Galaxy Tab 4 10.1, Galaxy Tab 3 Lite, Galaxy Note Pro 12.2, Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4, Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1, Galaxy Tab Pro 12.2, Galaxy Note 10.1, Galaxy Tab # Kids, Active Q, Active Tab 3, Galaxy Tab 3 8.0, Galaxy Tab 3 10.1, Galaxy Tab 3 7.0, Galaxy Note 8.0, Galaxy Note LTE, Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, Galaxy Tab2 10.1, Active Tab 5, Active Tab 7, Active Tab, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 LTE, Galaxy Player 3.6, Galaxy Player 4.2, Galaxy Note 10.1, Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, Galaxy Tab 2 7.0, Galaxy Tab 7.7 LTE, Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, Galaxy Tab 10.1 T-Mobile, Galaxy Tab 7.7, Galaxy Tab 8.9 LTE, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Player 5, Galaxy S WiFi 4.0, Galaxy Tab 10.1 V, Galaxy Player 50, Galaxy Tab 4G LTE, Galaxy Tab at&t, Galaxy Tab T-Mobile, Galaxy Tab CDMA, Galaxy Tab ...

    Now with Apple: iPad, iPad2, iPad 3, iPad Air, iPad Mini 1-4, iPad Air2, iPad Pro 9.7, iPad Pro 12.7, and now we've went full circle iPad ...
    04-29-2017 08:51 AM
  11. ItnStln511's Avatar
    Wouldn't it just be better to get an AirMac if you want macOS?
    I gather they're looking for an OSX version of a Surface Pro.
    04-29-2017 09:15 AM
  12. robertk328's Avatar
    Perhaps I'm just more intelligent than most customers?
    Now that's just crazy talk.
    04-29-2017 10:29 AM
  13. robertk328's Avatar
    I gather they're looking for an OSX version of a Surface Pro.

    macOS (not OSX) in some form that allows for touch input.
    04-29-2017 10:30 AM
  14. ItnStln511's Avatar
    macOS (not OSX) in some form that allows for touch input.
    I forgot it's macOS now! But a full touch screen macOS device like the Surface Pro would be pretty cool.

    BTW where did you get your avatar?
    04-29-2017 10:47 AM
  15. muchospanish's Avatar
    It either has to be MacOS (not likely) or they really have to get to work on iOS. I only have an iPad and an iPhone and I feel the frustrations every day of having to use work-arounds or having to move files one by one instead of multiple at a time.

    This is it for iOS. If something big doesn't come in June, I don't think the iPad will have much of a future.
    05-04-2017 05:31 AM
  16. fredfx's Avatar
    To me, the biggest problem with iOS is that there is no file system.

    Let me clarify.

    There is a filesystem on iOS, but it isn't accessible by the user. A simple addition like that - which I think will be announced at WWDC - would make things like research so much easier. It's no surprise that iOS has already been migrated to the new APFS which is soon coming to OSX. I think when the two platforms have a unified filesystem, we'll see a visible file system on iOS. Or at least one that can be turned on by the user.

    I realize that having a visible file system opens all kinds of cans of worms. Especially the fact that there isn't a windowing system, or drag and drop in iOS between open applications.

    And most of all - and probably most important to Apple - is that iOS remain easy to use for users that don't work at the pro level. Not having a visible file system makes the UI WAY easier for the user. When was the last time you actually thought of an application on iOS as a file rather than just an icon to click on? I don't know about most of you, but my mindset is VERY different when working on a laptop or desktop vs an iOS device.

    For those of us who understand why there's a filesystem would welcome a visible file system on iOS.
    05-05-2017 12:15 PM
  17. ItnStln511's Avatar
    To me, the biggest problem with iOS is that there is no file system.
    This
    05-05-2017 02:40 PM
  18. Decodering's Avatar
    Apple should develop an operating system just for iPad, a version of iOS that takes true advantage of the larger screen and diverse physical capabilities. I don't see how a modified version of MacOS is the answer, even if I miss it as I only have an iPad (not even a Pro model, although I'd like one) as my primary computer.

    The iPad (Pro and non-Pro) hardware is certainly capable of running a more advanced and useful version of iOS. It's really the software limitations that hinder the usefulness of the iPad.
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    05-05-2017 03:54 PM
  19. ItnStln511's Avatar
    The iPad (Pro and non-Pro) hardware is certainly capable of running a more advanced and useful version of iOS. It's really the software limitations that hinder the usefulness of the iPad.
    I'd agree with that statement.
    05-05-2017 06:09 PM
  20. CatherineVeraGat's Avatar
    I think it should or at least have more Mac Like ways to do things.
    muchospanish likes this.
    05-06-2017 05:46 PM
  21. muchospanish's Avatar
    We really need iOS to move forward. Some things are very frustrating
    05-08-2017 10:05 AM
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