1. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Yeah the newest for both is the only proper comparison considering iPads come in many gens and prices

    When you do that price isn't a factor.

    Your own choice is.
    09-10-2015 05:00 PM
  2. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Yea, and no it isn't. Get an appropriate surface. Don't try to skimp wit an i3 with 4GB RAM for Premiere Pro and After Effects and then complain about performance.

    The Surface can dock to an external monitor so at a desk the screen size is not a factor. You don't buy this as your main work machine. You buy it for on the go productivity and working. The surface can run those apps. The iPad can't, period.

    The Surface can use a mouse or trackpad, so whether an app is tablet optimized is a non factor. It's a Full windows laptop that can function as a tablet. Not a tablet masquerading as a laptop.

    An iOS Photoshop is never going to compare to what's available on Windows and OS X. It won't even compare to PaintShop Pro, for that matter.

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    There are some of us who would not be caught dead spending one more cent on a Windows PC or tablet. Done. I hated Windows 8.1 with a passion and Windows 10, for all the hoopla, is nowhere near what a Mac is. So no, the Surface is simply not an option for those of us who are absolutely done with the hassles of PCs or anything Windows. My Lumia will remain my last Windows purchase. And that is all. Good riddance.
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    09-10-2015 05:01 PM
  3. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Why do you assume I am skimping? I have worked on the most powerful SP3. And it handled the programs I listed terribly in my experience. I do this 8-12 hours a day I have worked on a plethora of machines. You said it yourself. SP3 doesn't replace your main work machine. Neither does the iPad Pro.
    The surface doesn't due to form factor. The iPad doesn't due to the OS just not cutting it for that kind of use, and being unable to run the applications.

    An i5 Surface with 8GB RAM flies through Photoshop and Premiere as long as you aren't editing 4K.

    Stop defining my statements. Ask if you're unsure what I intended to say.




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    09-10-2015 05:01 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It will sell more than the pro tabs from Samsung due to branding and ecosystem but it really doesn't offer anything those devices offered two years ago. Maybe the dev support will push it over the edge, but it will still be very hard to choose this over a Surface given the similar prices and the built in advantages of Windows 10 vs iOS esp regarding app support.


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    You're forgetting a very import piece of information. Although other devices may have offered similar or even better features "two years ago", a good deal of people who have never used those devices will find what the iPad Pro is offering advantageous. Yes, the Apple brand carries a lot of weight in the tech industry and its ecosystem is top-notch and well-supported. Yet, any company would like to be in the position that Apple is in and have the associated customer satisfaction. Some of the best food on the planet can be found in what we call "hole in the wall" restaurants, but oftentimes because of the location, a good deal of people choose to go elsewhere. A similar thing applies in the tech industry. Apple didn't just become a smash hit overnight. They had to earn it.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 09-10-2015 at 05:20 PM.
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    09-10-2015 05:02 PM
  5. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    There are some of us who would not be caught dead spending one more cent on a Windows PC or tablet. Done. I hated Windows 8.1 with a passion and Windows 10, for all the hoopla, is nowhere near what a Mac is. So no, the Surface is simply not an option for those of us who are absolutely done with the hassles of PCs or anything Windows. My Lumia will remain my last Windows purchase. And that is all. Good riddance.
    We aren't talking about opinions so I'm uninterested in the FUD. I have a Mac and Windows PC. I don't really prefer either. They're more similar than different IMHO.


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    09-10-2015 05:02 PM
  6. qbnkelt's Avatar
    We aren't talking about opinions so I'm uninterested in the FUD. I have a Mac and Windows PC. I don't really prefer either. They're more similar than different IMHO.


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    Every post of yours has been an opinion. So what I posted had as much validity as what you posted. If mine is invalid so is yours. If mine is FUD so is yours. Unlike you, I prefer Mac. Which is why I'm here, on iMore, an Apple centric site.

    Imagine that.
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    09-10-2015 05:16 PM
  7. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    The surface doesn't due to form factor. The iPad doesn't due to the OS just not cutting it for that kind of use, and being unable to run the applications.

    An i5 Surface with 8GB RAM flies through Photoshop and Premiere as long as you aren't editing 4K.

    Stop defining my statements. Ask if you're unsure what I intended to say.




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    I gave you my opinion based on my experience. You don't have to like it. Also saying the ipad doesn't cut it for "that kind of use" before it is even released is just silly (talk about FUD).
    I follow a growing group of artist that have pieces soley done on current gen ipad and their work is professional quality. Even with the current app selection the work can be professional level. And who know what's in store in the near future since apple made an ipad with a stylus. Developers are going to all over that in my opinion.
    Last edited by Illustrator Joe; 09-10-2015 at 05:40 PM.
    09-10-2015 05:28 PM
  8. Closingracer's Avatar
    There are some of us who would not be caught dead spending one more cent on a Windows PC or tablet. Done. I hated Windows 8.1 with a passion and Windows 10, for all the hoopla, is nowhere near what a Mac is. So no, the Surface is simply not an option for those of us who are absolutely done with the hassles of PCs or anything Windows. My Lumia will remain my last Windows purchase. And that is all. Good riddance.
    Who says people want Macs? Windows is Windows and Windows 10 is good .


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    09-10-2015 05:43 PM
  9. Closingracer's Avatar
    Every post of yours has been an opinion. So what I posted had as much validity as what you posted. If mine is invalid so is yours. If mine is FUD so is yours. Unlike you, I prefer Mac. Which is why I'm here, on iMore, an Apple centric site.

    Imagine that.
    Apple centric ? Try Apple biased.... To a fault.


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    09-10-2015 05:44 PM
  10. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Who says people want Macs? Windows is Windows and Windows 10 is good .


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    LOL!!!! REALLY?!?! People don't want Macs?'!?!!?


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    09-10-2015 05:45 PM
  11. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Apple centric ? Try Apple biased.... To a fault.


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    You're truly hilarious.

    Wanna dig up my posts to where I discuss how much I love my Note 4?

    So if you're here...you're also Apple biased, by your definition, by the way.



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    09-10-2015 05:47 PM
  12. HankAZ's Avatar
    Who says people want Macs? Windows is Windows and Windows 10 is good .

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    That's your opinion. And you're welcome to it. Just don't expect everyone to agree.

    My opinion is Mac/OS X is superior/better "for me". Windows 10 may be good "for you", but I have no interest.
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    09-10-2015 05:47 PM
  13. HankAZ's Avatar
    Apple centric ? Try Apple biased.... To a fault.
    Again, your opinion.
    09-10-2015 05:48 PM
  14. Closingracer's Avatar
    LOL!!!! REALLY?!?! People don't want Macs?'!?!!?


    Sent from my GORGEOUS, SEXY, AWESOME Gold 128G iPhone 6
    If you look at the market share its low compared to Windows


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    09-10-2015 05:48 PM
  15. kch50428's Avatar
    Apple centric ? Try Apple biased.... To a fault.
    Other Mobile Nations sites are every bit as biased to their platforms... to which I say "So what?"
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    09-10-2015 05:48 PM
  16. qbnkelt's Avatar
    If you look at the market share its low compared to Windows


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    Pivot. Cheap tactic when there is nothing left of your prior argument.

    You're batting a thousand, babe.


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    09-10-2015 05:49 PM
  17. Closingracer's Avatar
    Again, your opinion.
    Eh it's very Apple biased ..... Write something mildly against Apple and you get every fanboy screaming at you because you said something bad


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    09-10-2015 05:49 PM
  18. Closingracer's Avatar
    Pivot. Cheap tactic when there is nothing left of your prior argument.

    You're batting a thousand, babe.


    Sent from my GORGEOUS, SEXY, AWESOME Gold 128G iPhone 6
    It's a fact ..... No fighting against it specially when the cheapest MacBook Air is $800 compared to a Windows laptop at around $300-$400 when you take the crap out of the equation.


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    09-10-2015 05:50 PM
  19. Closingracer's Avatar
    Other Mobile Nations sites are every bit as biased to their platforms... to which I say "So what?"

    imore a bit more biased .....almost BGR biased


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    09-10-2015 05:51 PM
  20. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Eh it's very Apple biased ..... Write something mildly against Apple and you get every fanboy screaming at you because you said something bad


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    Well then I'm not a fan girl. Because I've recently gotten into disagreements over the 16G model and my desire for themes.

    Try again.


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    09-10-2015 05:51 PM
  21. HankAZ's Avatar
    If you look at the market share its low compared to Windows
    True, but if you look at the trends, Mac sales are up and PC sales are slumping. This should hold you for a bit:

    Mac vs PC Sales: Mac sales are surging while PC sales are declining | BGR
    Apple's Sales Figures Prove A Sad Fact: There's Still No PC As Desirable As A Mac
    Mac sales continue to kick the PC market's *** | iMore
    Mac sales up 16.1% in June quarter as overall PC market continues slump
    Apple Mac Sales Up 10% YoY Despite Global Decline In PC Shipments | TechCrunch
    Why Mac sales are up, when PCs are down

    It's a fact ..... No fighting against it specially when the cheapest MacBook Air is $800 compared to a Windows laptop at around $300-$400 when you take the crap out of the equation.
    Then it's even more astounding that Mac sales are up while PC sales are down, right?
    09-10-2015 05:53 PM
  22. qbnkelt's Avatar
    It's a fact ..... No fighting against it specially when the cheapest MacBook Air is $800 compared to a Windows laptop at around $300-$400 when you take the crap out of the equation.


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    So what? I buy what works for me regardless of price. And if I can't afford it I save and get it.

    See I'm not into the instant gratification where I want the company to cater its pricing to me. I make the changes I need to make to afford the things I want.

    So who cares what a Windows laptop costs? I wouldn't spend 25 bucks on another one. Microsoft has lost its usability for me ever since Windows 8.


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    09-10-2015 05:54 PM
  23. HankAZ's Avatar
    Eh it's very Apple biased ..... Write something mildly against Apple and you get every fanboy screaming at you because you said something bad
    It's an Apple-centric site. Like Android Central is android-centric and Crackberry is BB-centric.

    All I ask is that you be fair in your assessment. Your opinions are just that - opinions - and as opinions, they are no more "factual" than the opinions of anyone else. But there is a difference between opinion and verifiable fact.
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    09-10-2015 06:01 PM
  24. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Apple have a new keynote.. trolls crawl out of the woodwork. Nothing new here.
    qbnkelt and Spencerdl like this.
    09-10-2015 06:18 PM
  25. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...

    See I'm not into the instant gratification where I want the company to cater its pricing to me. I make the changes I need to make to afford the things I want.

    ...Sent from my GORGEOUS, SEXY, AWESOME Gold 128G iPhone 6
    (Shocked!)...You mean I have to (gasp) change my habits or even (omg) save for something I want but can't afford right now? That's, well that's just old-fashioned thinking. How dare you bring that tried and true method into the 21st century. What's wrong with you? (Laughing)
    qbnkelt, taz323 and Spencerdl like this.
    09-10-2015 06:20 PM
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