1. SomeCallMeCoach's Avatar
    Hey guys,
    debating between the iPad Mini 2 or a Samsung Tablet, either the Pro 8.4 or S 8.4.

    What are the benefits of the iPad over the other 2? I have an iPhone 5 so I'm familiar with iOS and the app store, which is one thing that makes me lean towards the iPad, plus I had a first gen iPad back when.
    Mostly I'm wondering if the $120 price jump between the tab pro at $280 to the iPad Mini 2 64GB at $399 is worth it, or if the money saved would be noticeable in tablet performance?'

    Primary uses: browsing the web, reading books, netflix/hulu/etc, occasional game or two, but it's primarily a media consumption device

    Thanks!
    10-28-2014 08:06 PM
  2. shanghaichica's Avatar
    I have both samsung and iOS Devices (galaxy S5, tab pro 10.1, ipad mini 2, ipod touch 5th gen) .

    Benefits of a tab pro/S:

    Better quality screen
    SD card memory expansion
    Multi-window (two apps at the same time)
    More customisable
    Universal Remote control
    Better aspect ratio for watching movies


    Benefits of an ipad mini:

    Better battery life (3-4 hours longer on a single charge)

    Will be supported (ios updates) for longer

    Thousands of Tablet specific apps available via the app store

    It depends on what apps you want but generally the app store has a wider variety of apps available than the play store.

    Wider selection of movies and TV shows to purchase.

    Better aspect ratio for reading and Web browsing.

    Better integration with your iPhone, including handoff and continuity.


    In terms of performance I'd say that the iPad mini and tab pro/s will be very similar. The mini may be a little smoother but there won't be much in it. If you want it mainly for watching videos either the tab pro or S will be better because the aspect ratio is better for that. The iPad being 4:3 is better for reading and Web browsing.

    Ultimately both are great devices and will perform well so whichever one you choose I don't think you will be disappointed.
    Last edited by shanghaichica; 10-29-2014 at 07:53 AM.
    10-29-2014 04:57 AM
  3. Rieder59's Avatar
    Two weeks ago I sold my beloved Samsung Tab 3 8" and got the Ipad Mini 2 with Retina Display. I'd seen a friends iPad 3 a year or so back and wanted one ever since. For me the size was about the same, the iPad 2 is close to the iPad Air Processor wise. Really good camera, fast, plenty of apps and accessories. I was sad to see my Samsung go but after 2 weeks with the iPad I know I made the right choice. Plus, with the iPad Mini 3 out I see the 2 going out of stock a lot of places and the price difference is only the fingerprint detection, I can live without that.

    I went for the 16GB but Friday I have a RavPower 5 in 1 coming, USB Port for Keys and external Drives, SD Port, Wi Fi and NAS Streaming, built in charger with its own battery and only 29.99. I can stream to the iPad and 4 other devices at the same time. Put more pictures and music on a USB Stick and/or my USB powered external HDD (only small WD version) and use a free program called Airstor for the iPad. The RavPower (roughly the size of an iPhone) can create it's own hotspot so it doesn't need the network/internet when I'm out taking pics with the club I belong to or myself.

    For me, I made the best choice. I looked at all the iPads and the mini 2 worked with my budget and needs. Hope you reach the right decision.
    11-06-2014 10:28 AM
  4. Speedygi's Avatar
    Go for the iPad... I have never seen a laggier tablet than a Samsung Galaxy Tab S...And that is on a personal trial...
    11-06-2014 10:51 AM
  5. Closingracer's Avatar
    Go for the iPad... I have never seen a laggier tablet than a Samsung Galaxy Tab S...And that is on a personal trial...
    The tab s isn't that laggy like you or anybody else wants to make it out to be ..... I had one and I wanted something more then to watch movies which is why I have an iPad but if media consumption is the main thing the tab S is the best tablet imo


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    11-08-2014 10:21 PM
  6. Speedygi's Avatar
    The tab s isn't that laggy like you or anybody else wants to make it out to be ..... I had one and I wanted something more then to watch movies which is why I have an iPad but if media consumption is the main thing the tab S is the best tablet imo


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    To each his own, but I feel the Touchwiz version of Android just feels so overlaid with too much interface elements that just getting all of it to render is really taxing on the processor. If I were to go for an Android tablet I would go Nexus 7 or 9, or else just get an iPad. Nothing is smoother than iOS still even after many improvements on Android and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
    11-08-2014 10:47 PM
  7. Closingracer's Avatar
    To each his own, but I feel the Touchwiz version of Android just feels so overlaid with too much interface elements that just getting all of it to render is really taxing on the processor. If I were to go for an Android tablet I would go Nexus 7 or 9, or else just get an iPad. Nothing is smoother than iOS still even after many improvements on Android and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
    The note 4 is quite smooth just like iOS .... So is the nexus line


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    11-08-2014 10:48 PM
  8. Speedygi's Avatar
    The note 4 is quite smooth just like iOS .... So is the nexus line


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    It is because of a faster processor and more RAM, but I just wished it was more resourceful in using those things for more things other than just to reduce lag...

    If Samsung has to have the latest Snapdragon processor and still suffer a little bit of lag it defeats the whole purpose of having such a fast processor in the first place.
    11-08-2014 10:50 PM
  9. Closingracer's Avatar
    It is because of a faster processor and more RAM, but I just wished it was more resourceful in using those things for more things other than just to reduce lag...

    If Samsung has to have the latest Snapdragon processor and still suffer a little bit of lag it defeats the whole purpose of having such a fast processor in the first place.
    So you want them to purposely put in slower processors for the proving a point ? The note 3 and 4 run fine and if I've bought s5 I would comment on that but I won't. The nexus 5 I also had and is smooth as well. I'm not going to argue with fanboys but to call out android like its laggy is a lie. Yeah Samsung might lag a bit specially with the Verizon variant of the note 4 ( had t-mobile and now Verizon note 4 and can tell a difference) but for the most part is pretty smooth as iOS is ... You also have never tried a nexus device recently... Samsung =\= Android by the way


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    11-08-2014 10:55 PM
  10. Speedygi's Avatar
    So you want them to purposely put in slower processors for the proving a point ? The note 3 and 4 run fine and if I've bought s5 I would comment on that but I won't. The nexus 5 I also had and is smooth as well. I'm not going to argue with fanboys but to call out android like its laggy is a lie. Yeah Samsung might lag a bit specially with the Verizon variant of the note 4 ( had t-mobile and now Verizon note 4 and can tell a difference) but for the most part is pretty smooth as iOS is ... You also have never tried a nexus device recently... Samsung =\= Android by the way


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    I had a Nexus 5 and it did lag, and I have a Oneplus-one now and it lagged too. I wouldn't say it's specifically confined to Samsung's devices per se.
    11-08-2014 10:56 PM
  11. Closingracer's Avatar
    I had a Nexus 5 and it did lag, and I have a Oneplus-one now and it lagged too. I wouldn't say it's specifically confined to Samsung's devices per se.
    The nexus 5 doesn't lag....

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    11-08-2014 11:07 PM
  12. Speedygi's Avatar
    The nexus 5 doesn't lag....

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    Given the fact that most apps are now optimized for this year's flagships, it's going to lag on the last year's tech of Snapdragon 800 on the Nexus 5 as opposed to flying on a Snapdragon 801 on the HTC one M8 or, if you want a more exotic choice, the Oneplus-one.
    11-17-2014 05:25 PM
  13. Closingracer's Avatar
    Given the fact that most apps are now optimized for this year's flagships, it's going to lag on the last year's tech of Snapdragon 800 on the Nexus 5 as opposed to flying on a Snapdragon 801 on the HTC one M8 or, if you want a more exotic choice, the Oneplus-one.
    Lol ....the nexus 5 might have the snapdragon 800 cpu but it doesn't lag period ...the snapdragon 801 is really a minor spec upgrade in clock speed but with the same andreno 330 gpu . The snapdragon 805 is a better comparison which is in the note 4 and nexus 6 which is clocked at 2.7 ghz and the new Andreno 420 gpu or whatever it's called. The snapdragon 800 cpu is fine and with it having no skin it will be for a while.


    Using your theory wouldn't the iPhone 5s and iPad Air be obsolete then ?


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    11-19-2014 08:38 AM
  14. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    Hey guys,
    debating between the iPad Mini 2 or a Samsung Tablet, either the Pro 8.4 or S 8.4.

    What are the benefits of the iPad over the other 2? I have an iPhone 5 so I'm familiar with iOS and the app store, which is one thing that makes me lean towards the iPad, plus I had a first gen iPad back when.
    Mostly I'm wondering if the $120 price jump between the tab pro at $280 to the iPad Mini 2 64GB at $399 is worth it, or if the money saved would be noticeable in tablet performance?'

    Primary uses: browsing the web, reading books, netflix/hulu/etc, occasional game or two, but it's primarily a media consumption device

    Thanks!

    iPad is the much better all around device. They nailed it with the 4:3 screen ratio. Leveno (I think it's them ) is making an iPad knock off, to include a 4:3 screen.

    I've tried other people's Android tablets, and when used in portrait mode, the screen is way too narrow. Yes, when watching movies on an iPad i have black bars, but so what ? I also have a taller screen in landscape mode.

    I also wish to apologize for the two that derailed this thread. Personally, I won't buy Samsung products for ethical and political reasons. I've always used HTC. For TV I liked Pioneer, but we have Samsung to thank for knocking them out of the TV market by stealing patents and tying it up in court for too many years.
    11-28-2014 08:01 AM
  15. Closingracer's Avatar
    iPad is the much better all around device. They nailed it with the 4:3 screen ratio. Leveno (I think it's them ) is making an iPad knock off, to include a 4:3 screen.

    I've tried other people's Android tablets, and when used in portrait mode, the screen is way too narrow. Yes, when watching movies on an iPad i have black bars, but so what ? I also have a taller screen in landscape mode.

    I also wish to apologize for the two that derailed this thread. Personally, I won't buy Samsung products for ethical and political reasons. I've always used HTC. For TV I liked Pioneer, but we have Samsung to thank for knocking them out of the TV market by stealing patents and tying it up in court for too many years.
    You won't buy Samsung for ethical reasons yet you buy Apple ? Or anything made in China ?


    I don't love 4:3 aspect ratio and I deal with it because I like the apps on iPad vs android for tablets

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    11-28-2014 02:53 PM
  16. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    Swing and a miss, as usual. Don't spend your Samsung check all in one place.
    11-28-2014 06:16 PM
  17. Lightingguy55's Avatar
    I had a Galaxy Tab 7.0, mostly liked it, good device to read on, lousy support from Samsung. They essentially pulled the plug on this device after 18 months and it got no more updates. That became a problem when updated Google apps crashed repeatedly (Maps and Chrome) I suspect due to an older OS (ICS). I mean, come on guys, these are Google apps on a Google OS, except that Samsung modified it.

    As well, Kies, the Samsung backup software, is the worst piece of crap software to use on this side of the universe. It would never successfully backup the device.

    OTOH, my 1st generation Mini will see at least one more iOS update, even though it doesn't need it, as Apple does support its products. Samsung just orphans the older stuff when they release new products.

    And for all the quirks with iTunes, it does a great job at backing up, updating and restoring devices. Pretty flawless in most of my experiences.

    I'll never go back to Samsung.
    11-28-2014 06:45 PM
  18. Closingracer's Avatar
    I had a Galaxy Tab 7.0, mostly liked it, good device to read on, lousy support from Samsung. They essentially pulled the plug on this device after 18 months and it got no more updates. That became a problem when updated Google apps crashed repeatedly (Maps and Chrome) I suspect due to an older OS (ICS). I mean, come on guys, these are Google apps on a Google OS, except that Samsung modified it.

    As well, Kies, the Samsung backup software, is the worst piece of crap software to use on this side of the universe. It would never successfully backup the device.

    OTOH, my 1st generation Mini will see at least one more iOS update, even though it doesn't need it, as Apple does support its products. Samsung just orphans the older stuff when they release new products.

    And for all the quirks with iTunes, it does a great job at backing up, updating and restoring devices. Pretty flawless in most of my experiences.

    I'll never go back to Samsung.
    18 months is pretty standard in the android world. They also actually test them before releasing them so less chances of screw ups .yeah the mini might have iOS 8 on it but how fluid is it?


    Your also making these opinions on a budget tablet and not say the tab s line or the pro line .


    I love my note 4 and considered an iPhone and have dabbed with Samsung tablets but prefer iPads with its superior apps . If all your doing is media consumption I would just take the Samsung tablet since it does have a 16:10 aspect ratio


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    11-28-2014 07:52 PM
  19. Lightingguy55's Avatar
    The Tab 7.0 was the top of the line for Samsung in that size at the time and was not a budget tablet, priced just over $300. Which is why I was pissed off at them for pulling the upgrade plug so quickly. 18 mos. is just total BS.

    My Mini runs fine on iOS 8.1.1, possibly a tad slower at times then under 7 and I doubt I'll update beyond 8.
    11-28-2014 10:00 PM
  20. Closingracer's Avatar
    The Tab 7.0 was the top of the line for Samsung in that size at the time and was not a budget tablet, priced just over $300. Which is why I was pissed off at them for pulling the upgrade plug so quickly. 18 mos. is just total BS.

    My Mini runs fine on iOS 8.1.1, possibly a tad slower at times then under 7 and I doubt I'll update beyond 8.
    How is it BS? Except for nexus devices I think most get updates for around that long . Hmm the HTC m7 is around 17 months old and I am guessing its last update is the android 5.0 lollipop update. Samsung last updated the s2 skyrocket up to android 4.1.2 jelly bean which was around late last year so around 20-22 months ? If you want the latest omg I need the latest updates get a nexus device. As far as the tab s goes it should get updates like to android 5.0 and probably 5.1 as well


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    11-28-2014 10:23 PM
  21. Channan's Avatar
    To each his own, but I feel the Touchwiz version of Android just feels so overlaid with too much interface elements that just getting all of it to render is really taxing on the processor. If I were to go for an Android tablet I would go Nexus 7 or 9, or else just get an iPad. Nothing is smoother than iOS still even after many improvements on Android and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
    My Nexus 4 is still extremely smooth and it's about 3 years old now.

    I agree about TouchWiz, though. It's just too much, and it's ugly as well. But while I can't comment on the Tab S, I do have the Tab Pro 8.4 and it's not laggy at all. That thing is a beast to power TouchWiz on a QHD display and not lag. I really do need to get ahold of a windows PC so I can root it and flash a custom recovery so I can use any non-TouchWiz ROM, though.
    01-27-2015 05:55 PM
  22. Channan's Avatar
    iPad is the much better all around device. They nailed it with the 4:3 screen ratio. Leveno (I think it's them ) is making an iPad knock off, to include a 4:3 screen.

    I've tried other people's Android tablets, and when used in portrait mode, the screen is way too narrow. Yes, when watching movies on an iPad i have black bars, but so what ? I also have a taller screen in landscape mode.

    I also wish to apologize for the two that derailed this thread. Personally, I won't buy Samsung products for ethical and political reasons. I've always used HTC. For TV I liked Pioneer, but we have Samsung to thank for knocking them out of the TV market by stealing patents and tying it up in court for too many years.
    I disagree with the aspect ratio. I much prefer the 16:10 (8:5?) aspect ratio of my Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4. It allows my tablet to have an 8.4" screen and (barely) fit in my pocket, whereas the smaller 7.9" iPad mini can't. Like you said, you get less letterboxing while watching videos, which means videos are displayed almost as big as the full-sized iPad on a device much smaller. I also find Internet browsing better on the longer screen because I can see more content without scrolling as much.

    The Nexus 9's 4:3 aspect ratio alone caused me not to get it. For now I'll keep my iPad Air 2 for home use and carry my Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 around with me out of the house.
    01-27-2015 06:04 PM
  23. shanghaichica's Avatar
    How is it BS? Except for nexus devices I think most get updates for around that long . Hmm the HTC m7 is around 17 months old and I am guessing its last update is the android 5.0 lollipop update. Samsung last updated the s2 skyrocket up to android 4.1.2 jelly bean which was around late last year so around 20-22 months ? If you want the latest omg I need the latest updates get a nexus device. As far as the tab s goes it should get updates like to android 5.0 and probably 5.1 as well


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    I doubt the tab S will get any updates beyond lollipop.

    I think most flagship phones get 2 major updates. So are supported for 2 years.

    iPhones are usually supported for around 4 years.

    The iPad 2 is almost 4 years old and still runs the latest software.
    02-01-2015 06:10 PM
  24. Closingracer's Avatar
    I doubt the tab S will get any updates beyond lollipop.

    I think most flagship phones get 2 major updates. So are supported for 2 years.

    iPhones are usually supported for around 4 years.

    The iPad 2 is almost 4 years old and still runs the latest software.


    Lol it should get android 5.1 and perhaps 5.2


    The iPad 2 can run ios 8 but with reports it being crap your point ?


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    02-05-2015 09:16 AM
  25. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I just went through the same decision process myself...

    I had the iPhone3 and 3G, but was tired of the small screen and the very limited features back then... there was also the issue of it being on AT&T and getting 8-10 dropped calls per day(tried 3 different iPhones), regardless of where I was or signal strength... I finally moved to Verizon and went to Android. First couple phones were decent, but from 2012 on, Apple couldn't hold a candle to what was available with Android. More options, better phones with nicer screens and useful features that Apple fans wanted, but Mr Jobs decided that they should have to wait a couple years for... And with Android having 82% of the global market, and Apple now going to larger screens and adopting most of the Android features from 2 years ago, they obviously see the light and are trying to catch up.

    That said, I assumed that the same was true for the tablet world. I had an original Nexus 7, and then decided to get a Windows Tablet... Nice enough, ran full windows and I could plug it into my Ducati's ECU to program and diagnose the bike, etc... But even with the Win 8.1 update, you just never feel like it was really meant for touch screens. It's this weird in between feel that doesn't cater to either mode of use as well as it could or should.

    So this time around I read up a lot, went and played with different devices and decided to leave Windows and go back to an Android tablet. I considered the Galaxy S series and I was also intrigued by the NVidia Shield tablet running their crazy Tegra K1 SoC... fastest mobile graphics processor that you can buy in a tablet. Plays near desktop quality games, lots of cool features, console mode, front facing speakers... a solid tablet and for gaming, nothing can touch it. You aren't playing Half Life 2 on another other tab, that's for sure...

    So I went back and forth between the Galaxy S 8.4 and the Shield. The Galaxy has the best screen I have ever seen on a tablet. It's amazing. But the battery life wasn't stellar and the Shield was faster and $100 cheaper, and offers more in the way of accessories and options, HDMI port, console mode, game pad controller, built in stylus, etc...

    Got it home, and it was ok. It is certainly fast, but in upgrading to Lollipop it made the tablet buggy and there is no way to roll it back unless you want to void the warranty and root it, etc... To have to do that on a brand new $300 tablet, just to get it to work properly, seemed like BS to me. Tried tons of things to fix it, but just couldn't get it to not be laggy at times. I upgraded my Note 4 to Lollipop, and it made one of the best phones ever made, even better. But not so on the tablet...

    So I went back and looked at the Mini 2 Retina... couple bucks more for the 32gb version, and you are giving up some things, make no mistake... 4:3 screen less ideal for movies... no front speakers... Limited storage, having to deal with iTunes, so not as easy as an Android tablet that can just plug into any USB port and drag and drop whatever you want to it or the SD card like a thumb drive... No HDMI port, non-standard proprietary plug that Apple insists on using just to increase revenue streams... No widgets or true interactive UI... just a slab with icons scattered about, no real multitasking or real time data widgets...

    So in a lot of ways, the iPad is way behind the times, mainly because iOS is a couple years behind the curve.

    However, the iPad looks amazing. The built quality is probably the best out there. Besides the crude UI and lack of widgets, it is simple and elegant. It is fast, smooth and seamless... It just plain WORKS for all of your basic browsing, email, media consumption and lite gaming needs. It's a fantastic tablet.

    Super screen and performanance, and about as big as you want while still being able to palm it in one hand. Despite the lack of front facing stereo speakers, the sound is loud and excellent quality. Yeah, it doesn't have an HDMI port, but there's an iPad version of Chromecast...

    The iOS version of Microsoft Office is much better than the Android one currently...

    As for the selection of apps, both have so many apps that it's pretty much irrelevant. With Android dominating the planet, there really isn't anything on iOS than there isn't an Android version of.

    I wouldn't trade my Android phones for anything from Apple. Apple still has a lot of catching up to do in several areas... But as far as tablets go, I don't feel that Android is as far along in maturity as their phones are.

    Here I feel, Apple still has the edge. They are not perfect or without limitations, but for general purpose work, I don't regret returning my Shield tablet and picking up a Mini2 Retina. Yeah, it isn't as feature packed as the Android tablets, but in this price range, it's a higher quality, more refined product...
    04-09-2015 01:02 PM
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