1. BHHOWARD's Avatar
    I'm firmly in the Apple camp, but I, like others, express things I'd like to see changed about the hardware or software. The screen size was my biggest concern for years.

    I think most of the Apple users open apps through search instead of looking through the numerous icons on our devices. Most of the good tech reporting sites, like iMore, have stated that the paradigm is dated and needs to change. I assume once Apple finds a good fit and it fits their development priority, they will implement. It seems Apple is innovating in other areas lately, particularly in developing hardware features that are tightly integrated with software that, as they say, gives them features that Apple can only do, because they own both sides.

    As far as dropped calls, I've seen both Android and iOS users have issues with that. I've seen people switch between from Android to iOS (and vice versa) and change carriers at the same time and claim it was the hardware/OS. I've tested different carriers with the same OS and have found variability for data/voice. It really depends on the carrier and location.

    I think as long was we are discussing facts and having intelligence debates, it is healthy for everyone.
    11-04-2015 01:16 PM
  2. SquireSCA's Avatar
    It seems Apple is innovating in other areas lately, particularly in developing hardware features that are tightly integrated with software that, as they say, gives them features that Apple can only do, because they own both sides.

    I think as long was we are discussing facts and having intelligence debates, it is healthy for everyone.
    What are examples of that? The innovation that only they can do?

    Not saying it isn't true, but I don't know of anything off the top of my head and am curious...
    11-04-2015 02:43 PM
  3. Closingracer's Avatar
    I wonder the same thing... How do you even locate what you want to run, with 47 home pages of icons, or a gazillion folders with multiple pages each?

    Sounds like a digital version of Hoarders. haha
    Hoarders? Lol? It's on my iPad which I only have 3 pages and about a dozen folders.


    I use them so how is this your problem?
    11-04-2015 11:40 PM
  4. BHHOWARD's Avatar
    I'm thinking of things like Touch ID, Apple Pay with Touch ID and Secure Element, and Forced-Touch. I don't think any other manufacture could enable these things as quickly as they did and also impact as many people. (Not saying that NFC payments was quick, but it was a complete solution - biometrics, secure storage, and tokenization - when it was finally released).
    11-05-2015 09:07 AM
  5. JohnLinn's Avatar
    I just put my larger PDFs in DropBox and they open fine from there. And once I have retrieved the PDF it is retained locally so I can access without down load each time.
    11-05-2015 01:56 PM
  6. Dark_Huntress's Avatar
    I too have had my Air 2 for a year. I love it! I got the 128 one and have no reason to replace it. Not even for the Pro.
    Closingracer likes this.
    11-06-2015 09:28 AM
  7. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I'm thinking of things like Touch ID, Apple Pay with Touch ID and Secure Element, and Forced-Touch. I don't think any other manufacture could enable these things as quickly as they did and also impact as many people. (Not saying that NFC payments was quick, but it was a complete solution - biometrics, secure storage, and tokenization - when it was finally released).
    I have not tried any of those yet, probably because I only have the pad, not the phone. I know that NFC and Google and Samsung have had some sort of similar service but I never tried them, so I don't know enough about the stuff to compare and contrast them.
    11-08-2015 08:31 AM
  8. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I just put my larger PDFs in DropBox and they open fine from there. And once I have retrieved the PDF it is retained locally so I can access without down load each time.
    What app do you use? My issue was that even once I got it on there, the default app that APple forces me to use won't open it and I have to open it with a different app after the first one fails.

    Actually, it's less about how you get it on there, as you pointed out, you can use a cloud service to do the transfer once... It's more about not being allowed to set your own app preferences,.

    The list of features that keep me from owning an iPhone has shrunk over the years. But there are still a few very annoying things about iOS that keep me from using it as my daily phone...
    11-08-2015 08:34 AM
  9. sparksd's Avatar
    What app do you use? My issue was that even once I got it on there, the default app that APple forces me to use won't open it and I have to open it with a different app after the first one fails.

    Actually, it's less about how you get it on there, as you pointed out, you can use a cloud service to do the transfer once... It's more about not being allowed to set your own app preferences,.

    The list of features that keep me from owning an iPhone has shrunk over the years. But there are still a few very annoying things about iOS that keep me from using it as my daily phone...
    I use FileBrowser to access my files on Dropbox, Google Drive, my NAS, and Windows desktops. I can open a PDF in FileBrowser's own viewer or select another app (e.g., Acrobat) to view it. If I use FileBrowser's viewer, a local copy of the PDF is not maintained but if select another app, then the PDF is downloaded and copied to that app. For an mp4 video file, I can stream it within FileBrowser or select another app to stream it - I like Infuse (a local copy is not made, it is streamed from the server).

    Where I dislike the absence of selecting a default app the most would be the browser - I prefer 3rd party browsers like Chrome and Puffin over Safari.
    11-08-2015 12:29 PM
  10. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I use FileBrowser to access my files on Dropbox, Google Drive, my NAS, and Windows desktops. I can open a PDF in FileBrowser's own viewer or select another app (e.g., Acrobat) to view it. If I use FileBrowser's viewer, a local copy of the PDF is not maintained but if select another app, then the PDF is downloaded and copied to that app. For an mp4 video file, I can stream it within FileBrowser or select another app to stream it - I like Infuse (a local copy is not made, it is streamed from the server).

    Where I dislike the absence of selecting a default app the most would be the browser - I prefer 3rd party browsers like Chrome and Puffin over Safari.
    Yeajh, Safari does seem laggy and it is a memory hog.

    Here is a good article that addresses what I was saying last week about the iPad just being a larger iPhone without the phone.

    Physically, they look the same. The internal specs might be slightly different, but in the end the result is that other than doing it on a bigger screen, the iPad is really just a large iPhone that doesn't make calls.

    The iPad Pro is a glaring reminder of the need for an iOS Home Screen refresh | iPad Insight

    Not an Android fanboy site, lest anyone make that assumption. haha

    But it does point out the antiquated UI flaws that I was discussing, where it's just a slab of icons and apart from copying Android's notification bar, the look and feel of the OS hasn't changed much since 2007. And the larger the screen gets, like in the case of the iPad Pro, the more glaring that limitation is. It needs to be addressed. Just having an open slab of inert icons worked on a phone 8 years ago. Now that the iPhone screens are larger, and you have iPads, there is no need to saddle them with the same limitations that the 3.5" iPhone had in 2007, is there?

    You have all this screen real estate to expand the user experience into a more immersive, real-time environment...

    The article is worth a read...
    11-16-2015 04:46 PM
  11. TechnologyTwitt's Avatar
    I too have had my Air 2 for a year. I love it! I got the 128 one and have no reason to replace it. Not even for the Pro.
    I upgraded to the Air 2(16 Gb LTE) in February and use it throughout my work day, maybe 35-45%. Scanning paper to PDF, email, ToDoist, Evernote and some browser apps. At the time I felt pretty content with what I had.

    Now, just 9 months later I upgraded to the Pro (128 Gb LTE) and can't even fathom going back to the Air 2. Primarily because the screen is too small and it's now suddenly, too slow.
    11-22-2015 08:30 AM
  12. Closingracer's Avatar
    I too have had my Air 2 for a year. I love it! I got the 128 one and have no reason to replace it. Not even for the Pro.
    Yeah....the iPad Pro is to big for my taste.
    11-22-2015 05:49 PM
  13. muchospanish's Avatar
    Too big for me, too. Too big for the type of work I do, moving around a lot. The huge screen was nice, thigh.
    11-22-2015 07:34 PM
  14. chosenone NYC's Avatar
    Wow..After seeing this I now know that 16GB will be suffice for me. I would never have that much video or pics. Mostly surfing, Documents signed. I hoard a lot of PDF files for no apparent reason. Just a habit. I can use dropbox. Not sure why so many people complain about the file system. How many times do we transfer files directly from our pc. If you are on your pc. load it to google docs, dropbox. Box.com etc. you can even e-mail the file to yourself and download it or view it. The only grip that i have is that when you are sharing/sending a file or pic you don't get all the options like Android. I would to have a an Android product with the built and stability as an Ipad. It will never happen. Samsung is as good as it gets and i returned one of their tablets.
    12-07-2015 03:35 PM
  15. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I drag and drop all the time, and uploading to a cloud service to then download it back takes time and bandwidth... Easier to plug it in and just drag and drop whatever you need in seconds...
    12-07-2015 03:47 PM
  16. Channan's Avatar
    Physically, they look the same. The internal specs might be slightly different, but in the end the result is that other than doing it on a bigger screen, the iPad is really just a large iPhone that doesn't make calls.
    You can make calls with it, though. Not traditional calls - you have to use an app and the calls are made through data - but what's the difference. I use Hangouts for calls and texts on my iPad all the time, and the people I talk to have no idea. I can receive pics and videos (just can't send videos) and participate in group chats now.

    Both use your data, but texts use almost no data, and I worked it out a while back and it was something like 1,500 minutes per GB of data with Hangouts, which is a whole lot cheaper than paying separately for minutes.
    12-11-2015 11:37 AM
  17. Closingracer's Avatar
    You can make calls with it, though. Not traditional calls - you have to use an app and the calls are made through data - but what's the difference. I use Hangouts for calls and texts on my iPad all the time, and the people I talk to have no idea. I can receive pics and videos (just can't send videos) and participate in group chats now.

    Both use your data, but texts use almost no data, and I worked it out a while back and it was something like 1,500 minutes per GB of data with Hangouts, which is a whole lot cheaper than paying separately for minutes.


    You can also make calls on it like you normally would on an iPhone except that you don't have a dedicated phone app. Just go to contacts and you can anybody on your contact list even if they don't have an iPhone. You can accept any calls though. This requires you to turn on a few things in settings and requires you to be on WiFi and also own a iPhone as well.
    12-15-2015 10:35 AM
  18. Channan's Avatar
    Yeah but as a standalone device, you can also do it through data.
    12-15-2015 11:46 AM
  19. SquireSCA's Avatar
    You can also make calls on it like you normally would on an iPhone except that you don't have a dedicated phone app. Just go to contacts and you can anybody on your contact list even if they don't have an iPhone. You can accept any calls though. This requires you to turn on a few things in settings and requires you to be on WiFi and also own a iPhone as well.
    So then you have to lug two devices around to make a phone call... LOL
    12-15-2015 11:47 AM
  20. Closingracer's Avatar
    So then you have to lug two devices around to make a phone call... LOL


    Lug two devices? Dude you already have your phone in your pocket genius unless you only bring a tablet or a phone with you? Please we already know you're an Android fanboy who thinks an iPad is just a larger iPhone. Guess what buddy Android tablets are the same thing....if not worse. Used them and sold them because they suck.
    12-15-2015 11:48 AM
  21. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Lug two devices? Dude you already have your phone in your pocket genius unless you only bring a tablet or a phone with you? Please we already know you're an Android fanboy who thinks an iPad is just a larger iPhone. Guess what buddy Android tablets are the same thing....if not worse. Used them and sold them because they suck.
    Yes, I must be the fanboy, as evidenced by your clearly objective and unbiased post. LOL

    If I already have my phone in my pocket, I am gonna use my phone to make a call, not stand there talking to my tablet...

    You kids....
    12-15-2015 12:05 PM
  22. Closingracer's Avatar
    Yes, I must be the fanboy, as evidenced by your clearly objective and unbiased post. LOL

    If I already have my phone in my pocket, I am gonna use my phone to make a call, not stand there talking to my tablet...

    You kids....


    Kids? Lol.... It's called convenience buddy. You're the fanboy calling an iPad a bigger iPod touch /iPhone where clearly your wrong because it isn't. And if it is then Android tablet are bigger versions of Android phones so you have no point either way. I mostly take calls on my iPad at home when my phone is nowhere near me and I have my iPad closer..... You need to have both devices on WiFi for this to even matter so your not going to be using your iPad as a phone on the train or etc unless your using WiFi on both
    12-15-2015 12:09 PM
  23. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Kids? Lol.... It's called convenience buddy. You're the fanboy calling an iPad a bigger iPod touch /iPhone where clearly your wrong because it isn't. And if it is then Android tablet are bigger versions of Android phones so you have no point either way. I mostly take calls on my iPad at home when my phone is nowhere near me and I have my iPad closer..... You need to have both devices on WiFi for this to even matter so your not going to be using your iPad as a phone on the train or etc unless your using WiFi on both
    Which is it? I said that the iPad is just a giant iPhone without the phone part... But so long as you also have an iPhone and are on Wifi, then what you are saying is that the iPad is just a giant iPhone?

    Which was sorta my original point. The way it is today, the iPad doesn't do anything that your iPhone doesn't do. It's just a giant iPhone that under the right circumstances, can make calls.

    I don't care what Android does, that isn't the topic. In the end, neither iOS or Android are anything more than glorified phone OS's, with all the same shortcomings and limitations of each platform, but on a larger screen.

    Which is why a Windows tablet is a much more useful tablet for many people. If you just want a giant 10" phone, get an iPad or Android tablet...

    And yes, kids. When you lash out emotionally over a computer product, that's how one would and should characterize such behavior. It's immature.

    Carry on...
    12-15-2015 12:55 PM
  24. Closingracer's Avatar
    Which is it? I said that the iPad is just a giant iPhone without the phone part... But so long as you also have an iPhone and are on Wifi, then what you are saying is that the iPad is just a giant iPhone?

    Which was sorta my original point. The way it is today, the iPad doesn't do anything that your iPhone doesn't do. It's just a giant iPhone that under the right circumstances, can make calls.

    I don't care what Android does, that isn't the topic. In the end, neither iOS or Android are anything more than glorified phone OS's, with all the same shortcomings and limitations of each platform, but on a larger screen.

    Which is why a Windows tablet is a much more useful tablet for many people. If you just want a giant 10" phone, get an iPad or Android tablet...

    And yes, kids. When you lash out emotionally over a computer product, that's how one would and should characterize such behavior. It's immature.

    Carry on...


    IPad's and Android tablets aren't 10 inch phones...... To call them that are once again lies. And as far as Windows tablets goes they suck. No desire to spend $500 for a Windows experience and a crappy one at it on a platform that as much as it wants to try on a tablet. The windows surface pro 4 is a decent option but not at $900 since the cheapest option is a total waste even more so then the 16gb iPad's and etc. Windows takes a huge chunk of space.



    Emotional? Who's getting emotional? I'm calling what you are which is fanboy who obviously Hates apple products and calling an iPad a bigger iPhone which it isn't....
    12-15-2015 01:04 PM
  25. SquireSCA's Avatar
    IPad's and Android tablets aren't 10 inch phones...... To call them that are once again lies. And as far as Windows tablets goes they suck. No desire to spend $500 for a Windows experience and a crappy one at it on a platform that as much as it wants to try on a tablet. The windows surface pro 4 is a decent option but not at $900 since the cheapest option is a total waste even more so then the 16gb iPad's and etc. Windows takes a huge chunk of space.



    Emotional? Who's getting emotional? I'm calling what you are which is fanboy who obviously Hates apple products and calling an iPad a bigger iPhone which it isn't....
    When you just call names and say this sucks, etc... It's the argument that a child would make. Obviously, Apple is "your team" in the same way that many people create emotional attachments to a sports team. When the team wins, they "win"... if you point out the flaw in the team, it's seen as a personal attack against them by proxy.

    There are lots of psychiatric studies on this, go read some of them, they are both entertaining and enlightening.

    Back to the topic... I think that the tablets served a good purpose when they first came out, because at that time, phones were so small. It wasn't practical to read or play games or edit a spreadsheet on a 3.5" phone screen...

    So the tablets have a single, but significant benefit. Screen real estate. Tasks that were hard to do on the phone, were easier on the larger screen. But they were not PC's(either a Mac or Windows) platform, so they didn't really do anything DIFFERENT. Meaning, there are no extra capabilities in the tablets, that were not already on the phones. Again, only difference is screen size.

    Enter Windows tablets, and now you have all the portability and convenience of the tablet, but the power and flexibility of the laptop...

    The Apple and Android tablets, don't offer that. They are in essence, just large phones, with or without the ability to make calls.

    It's not a lie because you don't like it or understand it. It is what it is.

    I for one was hoping that the iPad Pro was going to have a version of Mac OS on it. Just making it a little faster and adding a larger screen, but still being not much more than a larger version of a giant version of the iPhone... Just doesn't impress me. It's still running watered down mobile apps, the UI looks horrible on a screen that large because it still uses the same layout and grid structure as the iPhone 4... Now you just get icons the size of a ritz cracker... LOL

    Anyway, relax, no need to get all worked up and fiesty over it...

    I still have my iPad... I thought it made sense at the time, but if I could do it over again I wouldn't get one. I wouldn't get an Android tablet either. I would get a Surface type tablet... even if they cost a couple bucks more, you are getting an actual computer, in a tablet form factor... Best of all worlds...
    12-15-2015 01:13 PM
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