1. Closingracer's Avatar
    Another example... Just reading this page... If I scroll up I go a page or so and it is then blank, and takes 3 seconds to load the above posts... If I scroll back down, I can scroll a page or two, and then it is blank and has to load that again, even though I was just there... It should already be loaded in RAM. That tells me that either the safari browsers sucks, or the system is running out of available memory, another issue with iDevices, is that they put the absolute minimum amount of memory in here...


    2GB of ram is fine.....And now all new ios devices has at least 2GB. If Android is so better go back to it
    11-02-2015 08:52 AM
  2. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Well, I guess if you don't have 3 minutes to spare...
    11-02-2015 08:53 AM
  3. SquireSCA's Avatar
    It's barely adequate.

    And I do have Android. And Windows. And Linux.

    So I am in a pretty good position to compare the pros and cons of each...
    11-02-2015 08:54 AM
  4. Closingracer's Avatar
    It's barely adequate.

    And I do have Android. And Windows. And Linux.

    So I am in a pretty good position to compare the pros and cons of each...
    So stop complaining? Ios isn't trying to be Android and vise versa....you don't like ios there is other devices out there
    11-02-2015 09:39 AM
  5. SquireSCA's Avatar
    This is the problem I have with fanboys that don't know the other product lines. I could take the time(again) to explain myself, but you will just ignore it(again)... Have a nice day, son...
    11-02-2015 10:19 AM
  6. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Ironically, for someone who "doesn't have the time" to read my other post, you have even more time to argue about why you can't, shouldn't or won't read it, apparently... LOL
    Channan and JoyfullJuneBug like this.
    11-02-2015 10:20 AM
  7. Closingracer's Avatar
    This is the problem I have with fanboys that don't know the other product lines. I could take the time(again) to explain myself, but you will just ignore it(again)... Have a nice day, son...


    Fanboy? I'm no Apple fanboy.....I had plenty of Android devices and prefer windows over Apple any day of the week. I'm telling out to deal with it or change to a different os.....
    11-02-2015 10:25 AM
  8. Closingracer's Avatar
    Ironically, for someone who "doesn't have the time" to read my other post, you have even more time to argue about why you can't, shouldn't or won't read it, apparently... LOL
    I don't bother reading it because it's a forum and I'm not going to bother reading that wall of a post throughly.... Keep it simple
    11-02-2015 10:26 AM
  9. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I do deal with it.

    I even pointed out where it works well and why I still have it, and I said that I wouldn't go into details unless anyone wanted me to...

    To which you replied, "Err what? I've had Android in the past and went with iOS for a few reasons.... It's not that restrictive"

    At which point I clarified by giving specific examples of where it is limited, why, etc...

    It is restrictive, unless you stay in the very narrow box that Apple puts you in, which you would know if you spent 1/5 the time you have spent arguing about a post that you haven't read, instead of actually reading it. ;-)

    And in that post you would also have read why I have the iPad Air 2, what I do like about it, etc...
    11-02-2015 10:51 AM
  10. Closingracer's Avatar
    I do deal with it.

    I even pointed out where it works well and why I still have it, and I said that I wouldn't go into details unless anyone wanted me to...

    To which you replied, "Err what? I've had Android in the past and went with iOS for a few reasons.... It's not that restrictive"

    At which point I clarified by giving specific examples of where it is limited, why, etc...

    It is restrictive, unless you stay in the very narrow box that Apple puts you in, which you would know if you spent 1/5 the time you have spent arguing about a post that you haven't read, instead of actually reading it. ;-)

    And in that post you would also have read why I have the iPad Air 2, what I do like about it, etc...
    And it's not that restrictive....it's a. Opinion you think that it is....
    11-02-2015 12:17 PM
  11. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Which I also addressed in the post that you are so intent on not reading. LOL

    If it is just "what you know", meaning you don't know of another way to do something, then you often won't recognize it as a limitation.

    eg. Hand writing a letter, addressing and sealing an envelope, putting a stamp on it and handing it to the post person... It's not "broken"... it still works the same way it did with the Pony Express, and if that is all that you knew, you might not see a problem with it.

    However, we have email, skype, text, etc... All things that can more quickly and reliably communicate to people.

    Going from those newer, better ways to the old way, would seem like a huge PITA and step back, whereas the person that never really left the old ways, wouldn't think it was that big of a deal.

    All a matter of perspective. If you don't understand that, or cannot be bothered to even read it, I don't know what else to say...
    11-02-2015 12:28 PM
  12. Channan's Avatar
    Cleanup of what I use them.....
    You and your niece regularly use 362 apps?
    11-03-2015 06:03 PM
  13. SquireSCA's Avatar
    You and your niece regularly use 362 apps?
    I wonder the same thing... How do you even locate what you want to run, with 47 home pages of icons, or a gazillion folders with multiple pages each?

    Sounds like a digital version of Hoarders. haha
    11-03-2015 06:05 PM
  14. Channan's Avatar
    Well, I guess if you don't have 3 minutes to spare...
    Just wanted to let you know your post didn't go to waste. I read it. Though it didn't quite take three minutes to read.

    Luckily I'm not really a power user and I don't need to get "real work" done so an iPad is more than enough for me. I've been using my MacBook Pro more since El Capitan came out (I really like the split screen multitasking on OS X now) but almost everything I need to do I can do on an iPad, which is mainly just web browsing, listening to music, making phone calls and texts, reading, watching movies, TV shows, and YouTube, and email.
    11-03-2015 06:15 PM
  15. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Just wanted to let you know your post didn't go to waste. I read it. Though it didn't quite take three minutes to read.

    Luckily I'm not really a power user and I don't need to get "real work" done so an iPad is more than enough for me. I've been using my MacBook Pro more since El Capitan came out (I really like the split screen multitasking on OS X now) but almost everything I need to do I can do on an iPad, which is mainly just web browsing, listening to music, making phone calls and texts, reading, watching movies, TV shows, and YouTube, and email.
    And when I use it in that scope, my iPad works fine for me too. Like I said, I was expecting more of a PC experience in tablet form, which is what Windows and Android deliver, and the iPad is simply not that.

    Once I adjusted my expectations, I was fine with it.

    My negative feelings have more to do with how Apple does things in general. They take years to catch up to the competition and when they do they claim they did something new, even though everyone else had been doing it for years. I just don't get it. The hardware is there, just let us the consumers decide how we want to use it. Let me pick what freaking app I want to use by default, you know? Don't make me copy and paste links between apps in this day and age.

    That stuff is enraging, because there is no practical need to lock the devices down like that.
    11-03-2015 06:19 PM
  16. Channan's Avatar
    I wonder the same thing... How do you even locate what you want to run, with 47 home pages of icons, or a gazillion folders with multiple pages each?

    Sounds like a digital version of Hoarders. haha
    On my iPad, I have one page with the apps I use on a regular basis and one folder of apps I don't use often but still need occasionally and the default apps I don't need and can't uninstall. I couldn't imagine having to deal with that many apps. D: Thank God for Spotlight, though.
    11-03-2015 06:19 PM
  17. Channan's Avatar
    And when I use it in that scope, my iPad works fine for me too. Like I said, I was expecting more of a PC experience in tablet form, which is what Windows and Android deliver, and the iPad is simply not that.

    Once I adjusted my expectations, I was fine with it.

    My negative feelings have more to do with how Apple does things in general. They take years to catch up to the competition and when they do they claim they did something new, even though everyone else had been doing it for years. I just don't get it. The hardware is there, just let us the consumers decide how we want to use it. Let me pick what freaking app I want to use by default, you know? Don't make me copy and paste links between apps in this day and age.

    That stuff is enraging, because there is no practical need to lock the devices down like that.
    It used to be iOS was behind in features but far ahead in polish and appearance. Android had much better features, but it was ugly and clunky. Then Android finally caught up to iOS in polish and appearance but iOS is still lacking many features present in Android.

    I mainly use an iPad over Android for battery life, but the premium look and construction is also a huge plus. My Android tablet doesn't quite get half the battery life of my iPad Air 2. If I could run Android on my iPad and still get 10+ hours of use, I'd probably never use iOS again.
    11-03-2015 06:23 PM
  18. SquireSCA's Avatar
    On my iPad, I have one page with the apps I use on a regular basis and one folder of apps I don't use often but still need occasionally and the default apps I don't need and can't uninstall. I couldn't imagine having to deal with that many apps. D: Thank God for Spotlight, though.
    Yeah, I see guys on Android doing the same thing... They HAVE to have like 150 apps installed... I am like, what the heck do you need that for? How can you actually USE that many apps, regularly?

    I think that some people live on their mobile devices, perhaps... I have one page with my main apps, and a couple folders on that page for "Productivity", "Google Apps", "Utilities" and then the second page is just games.

    Neither page is actually full.
    11-03-2015 06:23 PM
  19. Channan's Avatar
    Yeah, I see guys on Android doing the same thing... They HAVE to have like 150 apps installed... I am like, what the heck do you need that for? How can you actually USE that many apps, regularly?

    I think that some people live on their mobile devices, perhaps... I have one page with my main apps, and a couple folders on that page for "Productivity", "Google Apps", "Utilities" and then the second page is just games.

    Neither page is actually full.
    I "live" on my mobile devices and still don't have that many apps.
    11-03-2015 06:24 PM
  20. SquireSCA's Avatar
    It used to be iOS was behind in features but far ahead in polish and appearance. Android had much better features, but it was ugly and clunky. Then Android finally caught up to iOS in polish and appearance but iOS is still lacking many features present in Android.

    I mainly use an iPad over Android for battery life, but the premium look and construction is also a huge plus. My Android tablet doesn't quite get half the battery life of my iPad Air 2. If I could run Android on my iPad and still get 10+ hours of use, I'd probably never use iOS again.
    That's a fair statement. Android was the not as pretty, but more customizable and flexible, feature packed OS but Apple had all the polish. But Apple really hasn't done much in 7 years except lift a couple Android features.

    Android in the meantime, really added polish and the OS looks as good if not better visually, than iOS. And if you don't like the stock look, switch to a different launcher and radically change the entire look and feel and UI. Usually for free, without root, etc...

    Apple has a really loyal fan base. People want to own Apple products, not because of what they can do, but because they are Apple products. They are the Harley Davidson of the tech world. Not bad, but not better either, usually behind the times, but with great marketing and a cult-like client base that will shell out top dollar for anything an Apple logo on it...
    11-03-2015 06:30 PM
  21. bergman's Avatar
    Perhaps a little more experience with iOS will halo you better manage documents. Consider Evernote, Dropbox or Google Drive along with their respective apps.
    11-04-2015 08:04 AM
  22. SquireSCA's Avatar
    Perhaps a little more experience with iOS will halo you better manage documents. Consider Evernote, Dropbox or Google Drive along with their respective apps.
    Possibly. I guess that I am just used to the device doing most of those things without needing all the 3rd party apps and workarounds...

    I am not saying that many common tasks can't be done in iOS... I am just saying that they are often far more complicated in iOS, which is ironic given the reputation of it being so simple for the end user.

    Everything that it limits or makes you jump through hoops, is designed to force you to use Apple apps, or to go go buy an app from their store in order to do something that it really should do out of the box. It's a way to drive revenue, and that I think is lame when it hurts the user experience...
    11-04-2015 08:22 AM
  23. BHHOWARD's Avatar
    SquireSCA - Thanks for taking the time to post your concrete thoughts on what you find could be changed in iOS. Far too many times forum posts just contain a personal opinion that one OS is better than the other. I assume other lurkers also appreciate the information.
    11-04-2015 11:27 AM
  24. SquireSCA's Avatar
    SquireSCA - Thanks for taking the time to post your concrete thoughts on what you find could be changed in iOS. Far too many times forum posts just contain a personal opinion that one OS is better than the other. I assume other lurkers also appreciate the information.
    And that is all I am trying to do, just give both sides from a user's perspective.

    Most fanboys, from either side, don't do that. They speak about "what they heard" or their experience is limited. I have used both products for years and have them sitting here on my desk side by side. I know what one does better over the other, and vise versa. And I have friends that are firmly entrenched exclusively in either side and can see where they are coming from, and it is often out of ignorance of what the other side offers, or how it does it, etc...

    I don't criticize just for the sake of bashing. I criticize because it is usually annoying, and there is obviously a way to fix it if the competition has been doing it for years... so in my mind, the "problem" exists because someone chooses to keep it that way, most often to push sales or other revenue streams, to lock out options, etc...

    The hardware Apple uses is amazing. iOS, is mediocre at best, and that's the truth.

    It only seems like the best thing out there to people that don't truly know what the other side is doing, so they simply don't know what they don't know.

    The iPhone is actually getting closer to me being able to justify buying it...

    For the longest time, the tiny screens that appealed to 13 year old girls, just didn't fit my man hands. LOL I hate watching postage stamp size movies. etc...

    Apple finally listened to the overwhelming success of the Samsung Note series, to great success on Apple's part, it boosted sales significantly.

    SD cards.. I am torn on... I have a Nexus 6 which has no slot but it has 32gb of storage. The reason I was willing to give up the SD slot is because with a $5 OTG plug, I can plug in a camera, an SD reader, even a 3TB external hard drive and just access them like I would anything else.

    So a 64GB iPhone with a large screen isn't unappealing to me.

    The things that still keep me from getting one:

    1) Total lack of customization. I don't need to be OCD and worry about the shade of purple of the battery icon like some Android fans are, but I do want to set up my desktops in such a way as to make access to information easier. It's about workflow, as someone else pointed out... I want to see RSS feeds scrolling by in real time, have my music and YouTube widgets, etc... I hate just scrolling through pages of icons, running one at a time to see if anything is going on, closing it, moving on to the next, repeat... That's sooooo 2007. LOL

    2) No ability to set app preferences. If I, as a 43 year old professional adult, want to use Google Maps or Firefox as my default apps when I clock on a link, LET ME DO THAT. That is really annoying, to have to sit and open the wrong app each time and then copy and paste... Again, did I get into a Delorean and hit 88mph and go back in time? haha

    Those two things right there, the ability to set up my phone in a way to facilitate how I want to work, rather than change how I do things to fit within the narrow limitations of the device, is why I don't have an iPhone.

    Well, those, and I don't know anyone with an iPhone that hasn't cracked their screen at some point or that doesn't drop calls constantly... That was the final straw for me and my wife and why we tossed out our iPhones and went to Android... Dropped calls, 10 a day, with full signal, didn't matter if we were driving around, sitting at home... Hell, it's a running joke at work when I have a sales rep on the phone and the connection drops, I can tell which brand of phone they have and my current accuracy is about 95%. LOL
    11-04-2015 12:10 PM
  25. SquireSCA's Avatar
    I think where I am more guilty of "bashing" is in regards to people, more than a product.

    When I have conversations with friends or other people and point out what Android currently does better than the others, they usually say, "I don't need that" or "That's stupid"...

    And then two years later when Apple announces their new product that has it, they are camped out for 5 days in the snow to get their hands on that "new feature that is so awesome"... the same one that I pointed out 2 years ago that they scoffed at, now that Apple decided to get with the times, is now the best thing evar!

    That makes my eye twitch... LOL
    11-04-2015 12:17 PM
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