1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    As indicated by the thread title, is the new 2017 9.7" iPad really an upgrade from the iPad Air 2? What say you?
    03-22-2017 04:34 PM
  2. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I haven't had a chance to look at the specs yet. My Air 2 is running just fine still though. I'll probably be to check it out tomorrow while flying.
    03-22-2017 05:20 PM
  3. LCW's Avatar
    A9 > A8X
    03-24-2017 09:45 AM
  4. Garz's Avatar
    This new iPad doesn't have the fully laminate display that the Air 2 or iPad Pro has. It's also is heavy and thick as the Air 1. Better processor? Yes but the Air 2 processor handles just fine. Is it really an upgrade? No. It's a way that they can sell an iPad for cheaper.
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    03-24-2017 10:10 AM
  5. Matty's Avatar
    A9 > A8X
    Its got a higher number so it has to be better haha. The battery size also increased a little from 27.62Wh to 32.4Wh so that should help a little. Especially with a more efficient processor. So would it be worth paying $300+ for the new iPad (2017), probably not. Rather save up for the next iPad Pro 9.7" later this year
    LCW likes this.
    03-24-2017 10:32 AM
  6. Swapnil Vartak's Avatar
    Well it's not really an upgrade as much as its a refresh. A bump in processor and a slight improvement in battery but a step back on physical dimensions. The pricing however is the biggest change. Anyone looking to buy a new iPad should definitely go for this if they want an affordable iPad. For People with iPad Air 2, This is definitely not worth buying .
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    03-25-2017 07:14 AM
  7. Ziich47's Avatar
    It is not an upgrade. Think of the new iPad as the equivalent of the iPhone SE. If you had an iPhone 6 (iPad Air 2) you would upgrade to the 7 (iPad Pro). If you were coming for something much older or looking for something cheap then you go to the iPhone SE (iPad 2017)
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    03-30-2017 03:05 PM
  8. Cladster's Avatar
    Air 2 has been a dud imo, speaker vibration, screen distortion, screen bleed common, i just got a pro 9.7 that has none of that, so i would get the new iPad over the Air 2 if you don't need the pro tools.
    03-30-2017 09:44 PM
  9. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    It has a better processor but the upgrades stop there. The new iPad is designed and priced to sell to the masses, that simply want an iPad and aren't concerned with things like a laminated display and an unnoticeable amount of added bulk. Most of these users can't even tell the difference between the display on their current iPad 2 and a Retina display.

    This iPad isn't supposed to be an upgrade to the Air 2. It's designed and priced to win back education and sell like hot cakes overseas. Those who want the higher specs will either stick with their Air 2 or get a Pro.
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    03-31-2017 05:02 AM
  10. robertk328's Avatar
    Slightly better processor, and cheaper? That's where the upgrade is.
    03-31-2017 05:33 AM
  11. mogelijk's Avatar
    It has a better processor but the upgrades stop there. The new iPad is designed and priced to sell to the masses, that simply want an iPad and aren't concerned with things like a laminated display and an unnoticeable amount of added bulk. Most of these users can't even tell the difference between the display on their current iPad 2 and a Retina display.

    This iPad isn't supposed to be an upgrade to the Air 2. It's designed and priced to win back education and sell like hot cakes overseas. Those who want the higher specs will either stick with their Air 2 or get a Pro.
    It does have a couple of other advantages, such as better Bluetooth (such as having LE) and the cellular version supports more frequencies/bands. Also, the screen is noticeably brighter, despite the lamination and lack of anti reflective coating. While the upgrades are minimal, and despite the loss of lamination and screen coating, the new iPad is a better deal.
    03-31-2017 09:09 AM
  12. Quis89's Avatar
    The slightly better processor could be considered an upgrade but I don't imagine the enhancements will be noticed by anyone in real world use. So I have trouble calling it an upgrade. I think it's just a new low budget entry to increase sales.
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    03-31-2017 10:42 AM
  13. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    The slightly better processor could be considered an upgrade but I don't imagine the enhancements will be noticed by anyone in real world use. So I have trouble calling it an upgrade. I think it's just a new low budget entry to increase sales.
    Exactly. They've been losing in education. This is their attempt to regain lost market.
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    03-31-2017 10:52 AM
  14. kcox52692's Avatar
    Think of the new iPad this way.... iPad SE.
    04-02-2017 09:26 AM
  15. THX010's Avatar
    So I am sporting a 32 GB "New iPad" (iPad 3) with zero issues. I can deal with the slower processor and non-lightning cable. It works.

    Is it worth upgrading and passing this down to the daughter? Or just wait. I am patient.
    04-02-2017 10:46 AM
  16. mogelijk's Avatar
    So I am sporting a 32 GB "New iPad" (iPad 3) with zero issues. I can deal with the slower processor and non-lightning cable. It works.

    Is it worth upgrading and passing this down to the daughter? Or just wait. I am patient.
    You don't really give us much to work with, so it is really hard to know if it would be worth it, to you. However, it would be a substantial upgrade.

    Compared to the iPad 3, the new iPad is smaller, lighter, has a fingerprint sensor, has a brighter screen, has a much faster processor, has 2 GB of RAM compared to the 1GB in your iPad, and has better front and back cameras. It also has newer WiFi antennas, which will support much faster WiFi speeds. It should be a huge improvement for you. It may or may not have more storage, depending on the storage of your current iPad (which had a maximum of 64GB) and if you buy the 32GB or 128GB iPad.

    Whether you feel it is worth it depends on how you use your iPad, particularly if you might do more with your iPad if it had better capabilities. It also would depend if the iPad is good enough, or if you don't mind paying the extra $270 for an iPad Pro with the extra features.
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    04-02-2017 01:15 PM
  17. robertk328's Avatar
    Compared to the iPad 3, the new iPad is smaller, lighter, has a fingerprint sensor, has a brighter screen, has a much faster processor, has 2 GB of RAM compared to the 1GB in your iPad, and has better front and back cameras. It also has newer WiFi antennas, which will support much faster WiFi speeds.
    Touch ID was a huge improvement for me when updating to the iPad Air 2 from my iPad Mini.
    04-02-2017 05:12 PM
  18. silver_eagle's Avatar
    It is not an upgrade. Think of the new iPad as the equivalent of the iPhone SE. If you had an iPhone 6 (iPad Air 2) you would upgrade to the 7 (iPad Pro). If you were coming for something much older or looking for something cheap then you go to the iPhone SE (iPad 2017)
    I like that description. Cuts to the chase.

    I see the iPad as the one I get my wife, kids or parents, none of whom will ever notice the screen or performance differences that I would. And the iPad Pro line is for those of us that either like to have or need the extra performance and features.
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    04-02-2017 06:58 PM
  19. mogelijk's Avatar
    I actually think the real explanation is that the iPad Pro, particularly the 9.7" version, is considered the upgrade for the Air 2. The "iPad," which Apple even refers to as the 5th generation iPad, is actually the upgraded iPad 4. While I expect Apple to carry on two lines, the "iPad" as the more home oriented iPad, and the Pro as the business-oriented iPad; but I could see the rumored 10.5" iPad being the Pro line, and the upgrades to the current Pro models becoming a mid-tier "Air".
    04-02-2017 10:26 PM
  20. Sherry_B's Avatar
    It has a better processor but the upgrades stop there. The new iPad is designed and priced to sell to the masses, that simply want an iPad and aren't concerned with things like a laminated display and an unnoticeable amount of added bulk. Most of these users can't even tell the difference between the display on their current iPad 2 and a Retina display.
    Those are the reasons I bought the new iPad last night. I'm not really concerned with those things as my only use for it is viewing pdf sewing patterns, viewing sewing class videos from Craftsy, and watching downloaded tv shows or movies on plane trips. My iPhone 6s is too small to see these things, and my laptop is too bulky. The 9.7 inch tablet is absolutely perfect for my personal needs, and the price point is, well, on point.
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    05-15-2017 12:56 PM
  21. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Slightly better processor, and cheaper? That's where the upgrade is.
    At the expensive of a worse screen. That's where the downgrade is.
    07-11-2017 09:42 AM
  22. mogelijk's Avatar
    At the expensive of a worse screen. That's where the downgrade is.
    Except it isn't actually a "worse" screen. It is a mixed bag as the new screen is brighter, at the same time it lacks the anti-reflective coating and lamination. With the cheaper price, you can use part of the savings to add a screen protector and get the anti-reflective coating.
    07-11-2017 01:03 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Except it isn't actually a "worse" screen. It is a mixed bag as the new screen is brighter, at the same time it lacks the anti-reflective coating and lamination. With the cheaper price, you can use part of the savings to add a screen protector and get the anti-reflective coating.
    An external anti-reflective coating is not nearly as effective as a proper one added during manufacturing.

    Even though it's brighter, the screen is quite a lot worse than the Air 2. Check it out in a shop. Personally, it was the decisive factor that stopped me from buying the iPad 5. I will now look to upgrade my laptop instead - the new Asus Ultrabooks are rather nice.
    07-12-2017 02:42 AM
  24. Bruins_CCH_4's Avatar
    A9 > A8X
    Actually according to Geekbench:
    For single core performance, yes.
    For multi core performance, the A8x >A9 because the former has 3 cores vs 2 cores of the A9.
    So for common every day tasks the A9 will be faster but for more advanced processing such as gaming and video editing, the A8x is slightly superior.
    07-14-2017 11:09 AM
  25. mogelijk's Avatar
    Actually according to Geekbench:
    For single core performance, yes.
    For multi core performance, the A8x >A9 because the former has 3 cores vs 2 cores of the A9.
    So for common every day tasks the A9 will be faster but for more advanced processing such as gaming and video editing, the A8x is slightly superior.
    Actually, Geekbench shows that the two are virtually identical in multi-core; for example, this test done by Macworld UK had scores of 4343 and 4340. As you point out, though, with the iPad 2017 having a significant advantage single core, most reviewers report the 5th gen iPad feeling faster in day to day use. Even for advanced processing, the Air 2 is not faster, just that the two tend to perform similarly.
    07-14-2017 12:28 PM
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