1. imwjl's Avatar
    As a photographer, it is a “one time pain” but that pain lasts a while. I went through the same issues when I moved from Android to Apple several years ago.

    I’m about a 50/50 photographer (50% Canon and 50% iPhone) so I know then PITA you are going through. You’ll just have to figure out something that works for you and go with it. All my Canon photos are backed up to an external drive which is being backed up to a cloud service. I just let Photos handle my iPhone photos and move/edit/delete whatever I need to.

    You’ll get there.
    It it wasn't explicit in all this, I'm very happy with the way Lightroom keywords written to .jpg exports are kept in the Apple Photos move. I have thousands more to go in my reducing size of what's in Lightroom. I've always kept the operating systems's directories (folders) for anything in Lightroom structured by year and month so that's easy to keep copied to backup drives or cloud storage.

    Also in all this, printing has become so much less of a thing that I've been happy writing out RAW to .jpg in the Lightroom exports to Apple Photos.
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    11-21-2021 10:19 AM
  2. walterkurtz's Avatar
    i appreciate this. i can see it works well for you. and maybe i simply received a lemon. after using iphone all day yesterday i've come to conclude that iphone will likely make my life harder. it isn't even the photo management anymore, it's a host of other things. i love the camera interface on iphone. and of course the size of the actual device. but i am currently leaning android. i have to decide in the next few days.
    11-22-2021 10:21 AM
  3. imwjl's Avatar
    i appreciate this. i can see it works well for you. and maybe i simply received a lemon. after using iphone all day yesterday i've come to conclude that iphone will likely make my life harder. it isn't even the photo management anymore, it's a host of other things. i love the camera interface on iphone. and of course the size of the actual device. but i am currently leaning android. i have to decide in the next few days.
    I'm not sure what you mean by a lemon. If you think that's the case Apple support will do extensive diagnosis remotely.

    Have you set up and used the features known as handoff and continuity? Does your vehicle have Car Play?

    As one who has to use and know all the popular platforms I get curious and sometimes mystified when a Mac user doesn't use or value those features. I know lens apps capture text with both platforms but another tremendous feature I don't think I could live without now is lasso text from images.

    Apple Watch is another where I find the platform to be superior.
    11-22-2021 01:59 PM
  4. Ed7789's Avatar
    i appreciate this. i can see it works well for you. and maybe i simply received a lemon. after using iphone all day yesterday i've come to conclude that iphone will likely make my life harder. it isn't even the photo management anymore, it's a host of other things. i love the camera interface on iphone. and of course the size of the actual device. but i am currently leaning android. i have to decide in the next few days.
    It is okay that the iPhone does not meet all your needs. Not every device meets everyone's needs, and that's normal.

    As long as you gave it a fair shot

    it isn't even the photo management anymore, it's a host of other things.
    Just curious, what are those other things?
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    11-22-2021 06:01 PM
  5. walterkurtz's Avatar
    It is okay that the iPhone does not meet all your needs. Not every device meets everyone's needs, and that's normal.

    As long as you gave it a fair shot



    Just curious, what are those other things?
    always on display (AOD) is a big one. i like not having to pick up my phone to see if i have missed anything. also the notifications: with iphone they're either really intrusive (constantly waking the screen or dipping into the screen) or turned off completely. the sounds: i spent an hour yesterday trying to turn off the swooshing sent message sound in imessage. it can't be done unless you also turn off the incoming message sound. i can't turn off the annoying camera shutter sound unless i silence the phone entirely.

    it just feels like i have to work for the phone instead of making the phone work for me. i love the cameras and the size of the 13 pro. but i am not sure it's worth sacrificing everything i prefer about android's way which is basically my way.
    11-22-2021 08:02 PM
  6. walterkurtz's Avatar
    I'm not sure what you mean by a lemon. If you think that's the case Apple support will do extensive diagnosis remotely.

    Have you set up and used the features known as handoff and continuity? Does your vehicle have Car Play?

    As one who has to use and know all the popular platforms I get curious and sometimes mystified when a Mac user doesn't use or value those features. I know lens apps capture text with both platforms but another tremendous feature I don't think I could live without now is lasso text from images.

    Apple Watch is another where I find the platform to be superior.
    i guess i'm old school. i want my phone to be separate from my macbook and my ipad. they each serve their own individual purposes. on the flipside of the apple integration you mention is google. coming from android i am accustomed to having a google search bar on my phone's home screen. i am also used to using "okay google", google maps not apple maps and google translate not apple's. i have been alternating between both devices (pixel 6 and iphone 13 pro) for a week and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. i am sure either one will be an excellent choice. i just have to decide now if the size and camera of the 13 is worth giving up every other phone convenience i adore on android. it's just so easy to change things you don't like. on iphone i have to change me.
    11-22-2021 08:07 PM
  7. FFR's Avatar
    i guess i'm old school. i want my phone to be separate from my macbook and my ipad. they each serve their own individual purposes. on the flipside of the apple integration you mention is google. coming from android i am accustomed to having a google search bar on my phone's home screen. i am also used to using "okay google", google maps not apple maps and google translate not apple's. i have been alternating between both devices (pixel 6 and iphone 13 pro) for a week and they both have their strengths and weaknesses. i am sure either one will be an excellent choice. i just have to decide now if the size and camera of the 13 is worth giving up every other phone convenience i adore on android. it's just so easy to change things you don't like. on iphone i have to change me.
    That’s pretty weird that you want your phone to be separate from your iPad and MacBook .


    on iphone i have to change me.
    But if believe your identify is based on the phone you are using then perhaps you should stick with the pixel, instead of trying to turn iOS into android.
    11-23-2021 05:20 AM
  8. walterkurtz's Avatar
    That’s pretty weird that you want your phone to be separate from your iPad and MacBook .




    But if believe your identify is based on the phone you are using then perhaps you should stick with the pixel, instead of trying to turn iOS into android.
    haha no not my identity. but i like doing things my way, making the phone work for me not the other way around. i still haven't decided. but the fact the every grandparent i know uses iphone might be the best endorsement for android.
    11-23-2021 11:02 AM
  9. FFR's Avatar
    but the fact the every grandparent i know uses iphone might be the best endorsement for android.
    Technically around 60% of every phone sold globally above $400 is an iPhone… so .








    I won’t even bring up the market share for device above $800 ….. grandparents, teens, and everyone in between .
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    11-23-2021 11:35 AM
  10. imwjl's Avatar
    haha no not my identity. but i like doing things my way, making the phone work for me not the other way around. i still haven't decided. but the fact the every grandparent i know uses iphone might be the best endorsement for android.
    You don't really get to do this stuff "your way" but you can choose what you are used to or like. I was in our MDM earlier and it makes no difference if I'm managing a few dozen Androids or Apples - the platforms determine how it works and what I can do.

    My guess here is you are not aware of or don't know the handoff and continuity features. Maybe your work flow or job is one where the phone and a desktop computer are so vital or part of it. I take the time or make the effort for people to be aware because they're among the few true productivity boosters in recent years. That with M1 Air pricing is fundamentally changing what our users request.

    My guess in all this is you know what's familiar and that's fine for lots of things.
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    11-23-2021 01:00 PM
  11. walterkurtz's Avatar
    You don't really get to do this stuff "your way" but you can choose what you are used to or like. I was in our MDM earlier and it makes no difference if I'm managing a few dozen Androids or Apples - the platforms determine how it works and what I can do.

    My guess here is you are not aware of or don't know the handoff and continuity features. Maybe your work flow or job is one where the phone and a desktop computer are so vital or part of it. I take the time or make the effort for people to be aware because they're among the few true productivity boosters in recent years. That with M1 Air pricing is fundamentally changing what our users request.

    My guess in all this is you know what's familiar and that's fine for lots of things.
    nooo i'm not familiar with the handoff or continuity features. i don't work in a typical office and try to spend less time on screens overall. but to your bigger point? i am simply unfamiliar with iOS. i'm sure i will learn more about it the longer i use it. and undoubtedly there are tips tricks and solutions to discover along the way. just yesterday i learned i could open google by tapping twice on the back of the phone. that's great. but having to keep my entire phone silent to disable the shutter sound and sent message swoosh along with no AOD might be a deal breaker. i really am trying to keep this iphone, but i'm running out of time before i have to return one of these phones to their respective maker.
    11-24-2021 09:27 AM
  12. imwjl's Avatar
    nooo i'm not familiar with the handoff or continuity features. i don't work in a typical office and try to spend less time on screens overall. but to your bigger point? i am simply unfamiliar with iOS. i'm sure i will learn more about it the longer i use it. and undoubtedly there are tips tricks and solutions to discover along the way. just yesterday i learned i could open google by tapping twice on the back of the phone. that's great. but having to keep my entire phone silent to disable the shutter sound and sent message swoosh along with no AOD might be a deal breaker. i really am trying to keep this iphone, but i'm running out of time before i have to return one of these phones to their respective maker.
    I don't think I can help you. I supervise and do this at scale for around 1000 people. We manage near 200 Androids and Apples. The differences are in some ways not that much, and where they are very significant and productivity boosters I perceive you have common cognitive biases that make user support and training difficult.

    You said trying to spend less time at screens overall. That is the #1 reason I use my MacBook/iPhone combo over having top shelf versions of about everything available. Nothing else puts all I have to do in once place, with that much battery life, and performance. This is not like my work place where my team is competent in all you've mentioned and where I have authority over willful ignorance but I tried to help you.

    Good luck.
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    11-24-2021 09:54 AM
  13. FFR's Avatar
    I perceive you have common cognitive biases that make user support and training difficult.

    Good luck.

    11-24-2021 12:57 PM
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