1. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I've just been having a discussion on this topic. I disagree that Apple and iOS are falling behind despite not having the plethoras feature sets seen on many Android devices. I'm fine with how Apple waits to implement new features until they work as they as should and as promised. While iOS hasn't changed much in the last couple years, I can't say Apple hasn't been innovating. Apple has just done mostly under the hood innovations. I believe this is all leading up to the new iPhone(s) this year. Many of the rumors, most in fact, speculate a full bezel-less OLED display with under the screen front facing camera, and under the screen home button and TouchID sensor. They also show the same body size for the iPhones, which makes the smaller size a 5.5" screen and the larger closer to 6.3". They also show a full glass back to the iPhones with a stainless steel frame, which would indicate wireless charging coming to the iPhone finally. Knowing Apple, and this being the 10 year anniversary of the iPhone, I wouldn't be surprised if this is only scratching the surface. What do you think, is Apple/iOS falling behind and failing to innovate?
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    05-03-2017 07:21 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't think iOS, in and of itself, is falling behind other operating systems because it is still fast, smooth, simple to use and more stable, in my opinion. Having said that, could some things be improved? Of course.
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    05-03-2017 08:21 PM
  3. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I think that Apple will always be behind in some ways, not because they're lagging but because they've never felt the need to be first to market. They have had the ability to add wireless charging, OLED, and whatever other features their competitors have brought to market for a long time.
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    05-03-2017 08:35 PM
  4. Tartarus's Avatar
    Apple is still leading in 'implementing tech the way it's supposed to work'. That's why I don't think Apple is falling behind.

    I haven't heard of anything Android can do that I wish my iPhone could do.
    05-03-2017 08:40 PM
  5. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    I think that Apple will always be behind in some ways, not because they're lagging but because they've never felt the need to be first to market.
    I remember during my 'Droid days when Apple would come out with a "brand new" feature that was already available on Android and I'd comment "That's great, Apple. Welcome to two years ago when Android launched that feature". Now I've realized that Apple just wants to make sure these "brand new features" are truly ready to be rolled out to the masses and work like they are supposed to.
    05-03-2017 08:43 PM
  6. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I remember during my 'Droid days when Apple would come out with a "brand new" feature that was already available on Android and I'd comment "That's great, Apple. Welcome to two years ago when Android launched that feature". Now I've realized that Apple just wants to make sure these "brand new features" are truly ready to be rolled out to the masses and work like they are supposed to.
    Better to do it right than to do it first!
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    05-03-2017 08:49 PM
  7. pr1nce's Avatar
    Better to do it right than to do it first!
    Apple is more interested in making sure the product works as it should the first time. I'm fine with that.
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    05-03-2017 10:23 PM
  8. mumfoau's Avatar
    Better to do it right than to do it first!
    No truer words have been posted to iMore!
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    05-04-2017 06:04 AM
  9. Matty's Avatar
    Better to do it right than to do it first!
    To me, this is so true. Apple may be a little behind when it comes to customization of settings & themes but the software works so nicely and everything is super smooth.

    Apple are definitely behind when it comes to hardware features like NFC, wireless charging, Bluetooth ect, but they only implement something when it's got a purpose and not just have it there 'because everyone else has it'
    05-04-2017 07:09 AM
  10. Quis89's Avatar
    Yes...Apple is falling behind. Be we accept that because we love what Apple offers. I think there's a difference between what we will accept vs what is current. In my opinion, Apple is behind others. But that's not because they aren't capable of offering what others do. It's because they choose to take their time and offer things on their terms. Not the terms of others.

    So it's really not a negative, in my opinion. But typically, Apple is behind to offer things that have been around for a while in other forms. They just tend to offer those items better than their competition.
    05-04-2017 10:58 AM
  11. Damien_Eternal's Avatar
    Apple isnt a company to say "Well, they implemented this, so we have to as well." That is where a lot of other companies get into trouble. Instead of making sure the tech actually works the way it should, they would rather keep up with market image. Apple isnt that way.

    Apple only implements new features when they are sure they can have them working, working the way they are supposed to, and working stability even if all that takes then an extra year or two to do. They know many people depend on their products for their jobs, careers and livelihoods. People cant be fiddling with a device to get it to work, it has to just simply work.
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    05-04-2017 03:02 PM
  12. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    This is the equivalent to saying Rolex is falling behind in watch making because there is a $10 Chinese watch that has a 100 more features and gimmicks. Now saying that I know of no sane person that would argue that the Rolex isn't the better watch. Rolex makes a helluva watch ....
    Apple makes a helluva smartphone ...
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    05-05-2017 08:48 AM
  13. Spencerdl's Avatar
    As far as customization goes unfortunately a big YES. However, thats it. In my opinion iOS is very user friendly with products that just work the way they are intended to and works well. Its as though my Apple products thinks for me and does the tasks I need them to do without much thought from me, which has also made me a lazy bum....LOL.
    05-05-2017 08:53 AM
  14. mumfoau's Avatar
    I used to be in the customization camp when I switched often then realized, I'm not using this device any differently than an iPhone. And, for my use the iPhone does it better. Haven't looked back.
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    05-05-2017 09:59 AM
  15. scastle123's Avatar
    I used to be in the customization camp when I switched often then realized, I'm not using this device any differently than an iPhone. And, for my use the iPhone does it better. Haven't looked back.
    Maybe it's because I am getting old, but I actually prefer iOS because it does what I want efficiently and with little need for customisation.

    Don't get me wrong. I am both a heavy user and power user of IOS, so I don't just make the odd phone call, play a simple game and send texts. I like the way that most of the time, Apple stuff just works.

    I like android as well, but even on the high end phones (including the Pixel), Android doesn't feel quite as slick and we'll designed as iOS.
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    05-05-2017 06:54 PM
  16. m4mario's Avatar
    If you have any kind of accent, Siri fails big time. Its so silly. You just can't get it to understand anything.
    Google's voice recognition works like magic. Any accent is fine. Google truly has the magical AI that Apple wants to have, possibly due to lack of data, or may be lack of skillset. Whatever it may be, its very far behind...
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    05-08-2017 01:27 PM
  17. Xeneh's Avatar
    This I can agree on, Apple needs to improve Siri. She understands me well since I don't have an accent, but many people do.

    She also needs to be able to do more.
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    05-08-2017 01:33 PM
  18. Xeneh's Avatar
    And if you look at their patents, they have been working on 'truly' wireless charging. Can you imagine that? It blows my mind.
    05-08-2017 01:36 PM
  19. sangs's Avatar
    While I think Apple has fallen behind in certain areas, I also think that in a month, when it unveils iOS 11, it might catch up or surpass Android in some areas. It's a difficult argument, based on the release dates of Apple and Google, or Apple and Samsung, or Apple and LG, etc. If they all came out at the same time, you could argue one is ahead of - or behind - the other easier. But the nature of these staggered releases is almost always going to put one ahead of the other in certain areas.
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    05-08-2017 02:32 PM
  20. mavsguy842's Avatar
    There are three ways that I feel iOS itself is falling behind: 1) Notifications 2) Widgets 3) Home Screen Layout

    A lot of the other things that come to mind are specific app problems, and not iOS problems (i.e. cannot mark Messages as Unread, Favorites in the Health app aren't available by 3D Touching the app icon, etc.)

    The notification system on iOS completely sucks. It's worse than Android, which doesn't have a great history here, and it's worse than BB10. Notifications seem transient and spacing is not nearly dense enough. Actions require a 3D Touch. A couple icons for the most-used actions would be faster.

    Widgets are very useful and, like 3D Touch on apps, let you complete tasks more quickly. They also give you the most pertinent information without having to open an app. Widgets need to be present on the app/home screens.

    Which brings me to point 3, screen layout. Apple needs to allow placing app icons, folders, and widgets anywhere on the screen. Automatically top-left aligning/sliding everything is outdated and makes using the phone more cumbersome.
    Last edited by mavsguy842; 05-08-2017 at 02:58 PM. Reason: Typo correction
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    05-08-2017 02:54 PM
  21. Shearie's Avatar
    I feel like it's lagging behind from a productivity sense. I'm a university student with both an iPad Pro 9.7" and a 2013 Macbook Pro and basic things like the ability to have multiple versions of the same app open, which would also allow same app split-screen, would really boost convenience and ease of use for productivity on the iPad since I run into situations quite often where these features would help greatly. It's even worse for Computer Science majors like me who only want to carry 1 device with them (I don't mind carrying around a Mac and iPad Pro since I think both devices are the best of their form factors even though both are lacking features in some way in respect to each other) and there are no coding IDE's on iOS that I'm aware of where you can compile your code on the iPad, pretty much making learning to code on an iPad impossible. While iOS is my favorite OS for the most part, there are serious improvements and features that it needs to be able to compete productivity wise with other OS's.
    05-08-2017 03:25 PM
  22. cuttheredwire's Avatar
    Yes...Apple is falling behind. Be we accept that because we love what Apple offers. I think there's a difference between what we will accept vs what is current. In my opinion, Apple is behind others. But that's not because they aren't capable of offering what others do. It's because they choose to take their time and offer things on their terms. Not the terms of others.

    So it's really not a negative, in my opinion. But typically, Apple is behind to offer things that have been around for a while in other forms. They just tend to offer those items better than their competition.
    Request: An article on what iOS is missing, and not just from Android. I don't bother reading Android news, other than security issues (that's my field). I'm curious where it is behind.
    05-08-2017 03:26 PM
  23. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Request: An article on what iOS is missing, and not just from Android. I don't bother reading Android news, other than security issues (that's my field). I'm curious where it is behind.
    Coincidentally @Rene Ritchie posted an article today similar to what you're asking for:

    http://www.imore.com/eight-ways-apple-could-take-ios-11

    Re-setting default apps, P2P Apple Pay, and a dark theme would be awesome.
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    05-08-2017 03:33 PM
  24. cuttheredwire's Avatar
    Coincidentally @Rene Ritchie posted an article today similar to what you're asking for:

    Here's how Apple can take iOS to 11 (not sorry!) | iMore
    I have a comment there already. :P Thanks though.

    What I an curious about is what *specifically* is iOS lacking and behind on. Inspired the "it's not what you read, but what you ignore" notion, I ignore Android news. So, for me, Quis89 has valuable knowledge.

    Rene's article doesn't mention Android much, if at all. I don't think it has a dark mode. I do know it uses NFC for more than payments (e.g. pairing Bluetooth), but Rene doesn't even mention as a feature he wants.

    As far as I can tell, both have unique feature sets. I love Live Photos and Memories; my family loves the videos I make with them. My family members with Android ask me how to do that on their phones: they can't. Now they are starting to switch to iPhones.
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    05-08-2017 03:46 PM
  25. Quis89's Avatar
    I have a comment there already. :P Thanks though.

    What I an curious about is what *specifically* is iOS lacking and behind on. Inspired the "it's not what you read, but what you ignore" notion, I ignore Android news. So, for me, Quis89 has valuable knowledge.

    Rene's article doesn't mention Android much, if at all. I don't think it has a dark mode. I do know it uses NFC for more than payments (e.g. pairing Bluetooth), but Rene doesn't even mention as a feature he wants.

    As far as I can tell, both have unique feature sets. I love Live Photos and Memories; my family loves the videos I make with them. My family members with Android ask me how to do that on their phones: they can't. Now they are starting to switch to iPhones.
    Are we speaking compared to Android, what is iOS missing?

    • The ability to set default applications,
    • file system access,
    • wireless charging functionality,
    • multi-window support for phones (I'm aware it exists in the iPad line),
    • customization including theme support,
    • VR support,
    • automatic low power mode (I currently have to enable this myself. On Android it can be enabled once your device reaches a certain percentage),
    • app installations from the web or anywhere I choose,
    • cache clearing,
    • multi-user support,
    • NFC functionality allows for things like setting NFC chips to perform certain tasks.



    I may be missing a few. For the record, some of these are items that I personally don't even care about. But they are items that others may enjoy and a few instances where, in my opinion, Apple is behind Android.

    I say "behind" because, off hand, I can't think of an iOS specific feature that Android doesn't offer in some capacity. Maybe AirDrop?
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    05-08-2017 04:15 PM
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